Danny Welbeck

With the competition we have up front Welbeck may have to convert himself to a left sided player to get a game. And he's done well there in preseason.
 
comlag said:
You're an idiot. Whose hype? Straight from SAF's mouth you gimp:

"I need to keep Macheda and I need to keep Hernandez, who has just joined the club. That's imperative. There's purpose in the way they play their football. It's not just talent. You don't play at this club with just talent, you need something else and they have that something else.
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It's clear Fergie rates him highly. But that doesn't mean you have to agree with him - I do agree with him most of the time.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Interesting. Welbeck might have played his way into Fergie's plans.

He's got some tricky decisions ahead. Personally, I kind of wish we could hold onto Welbeck and Macheda, with Owen making way. That would be very risky though.
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I'm just glad that he's impressed and shown people who have been very critical of him the last year or two what a good player he is when fit and confident.
 
Scholesy said:
It's clear Fergie rates him highly. But that doesn't mean you have to agree with him - I do agree with him most of the time.
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He works with him every day. Thats like you coming into my place of work once a week or so and rating my performance on that basis. I know that my manager has more perspective, more experience and a more valid opinion on my potential.

Anyways, I would like to see us hang on to Welbeck as well this year, he's grown into himself and is starting to look confident in the shirt. The problem is Michael Owen.
 
I say start Macheda, Cleverley and Welbeck in the Charity Sheild.

Its a fixture that in the grand scheme of things doesn't matter and would give a very good indication of whether they are ready to contribute to the first team this season.

I would go with:

--------------------Carrick--------------------------
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Welbeck----------------------------------------Nani
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Joga_Bonito said:
He's not. There's a reason why Sir Alex is eager to send the British young players on loan and not the foreign players, likely to do with how English clubs have treated the two in the past.

That obviously doesn't mean that it would happen again, but I can completely understand the thinking behind it. Sir Alex has asked these players to move country at a young age and sign for us, and he may simply believe that it is unfair to then send them all over what is still a foreign land and expect them to "get on with it", often with little help from the club that they are loaned to. Many of those players are still settling in to this country as it is, even if they have been here for 2-3 years, so it's better to keep them at the club and allow that process to fully develop.

It's different with British youngsters for a variety of reasons, but mainly because they are familiar with the culture, they have all of their family fairly close to them, and the club that they are loaned to will probably have a better idea of how to use them than with foreign player.
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Good post. I agree that this is a big part of the reason Macheda is definitely staying and Welbeck isn't. I think Fergie recognises Macheda as a talent he needs to keep an eye on. He's still a young lad and in a foreign country and it's important he is managed correctly. There have also been suggestions in the past from his international set-up that he still has a few attitude problems that need to be ironed out. I'm not sure if there is any truth in this, but if there is it is better that he spends these years under Fergie's guidance rather than encountering problems at other clubs, where we have little control over his progress.

Welbeck has matured and has already experienced one loan spell and the thing he needs most is games games games
 
comlag said:
He works with him every day. Thats like you coming into my place of work once a week or so and rating my performance on that basis. I know that my manager has more perspective, more experience and a more valid opinion on my potential.
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But do you not want your own opinion of Macheda instead of agreeing with Fergie without thought?

Fergie also rates the Glazers highly. I assume you are the same.
 
Scholesy said:
Fergie also rates the Glazers highly. I assume you are the same.
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That could be a headline from football365. Ferguson doesn't rate the Glazers highly at all, he's never intimated that, he just always says the same thing i.e. they let him get on with the football and spend money when he asks them. He never comments on the rest of the stuff except to say that United were always going to be bought once we became a PLC. He's not wrong there.

Fergie is not a businessman he's the most successful football coach and manager of all time so yes I do go along with his assessment of his current squad.

Macheda and Welbeck are both really exciting talents and we're lucky to have brought them through. My opinion is keep them both, though if one does have to go on loan then Welbeck as has been stated would be more beneficial for that fate as he's English and could handle the move more comfortably than a temperamental young Italian.
 
One thing I will give Scholesy credit for is that, he does not respond to insults but continues to argue his point. This makes me think sometimes that you are just wuming to get a reaction from people and probably laughing your ass off somewhere in a dark closed basement.
Way too calm to mean all that you sometimes say.
 
championo said:
One thing I will give Scholesy credit for is that, he does not respond to insults but continues to argue his point. This makes me think sometimes that you are just wuming to get a reaction from people and probably laughing your ass off somewhere in a dark closed basement.
Way too calm to mean all that you sometimes say.
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I think personally it's one of the regulars using a different account. Have done since he appeared.
 
Scholesy said:
He is too limited. He struggles to keep the ball. He provides zero creativity. He can only finish. The thing is that when he scores goals, it will vanish all criticism and people will continue their hype. It is a similar case to Gibson.
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I agree with you regarding Macheda's short comings. When he hasn't provided goals - he has been a waste on the pitch.

But, that is more the reason to keep him at United. Right now there is a lot of hype around him and maybe he believes a lot of it but, he needs to work on parts of his game and getting away from the watch of Sir Alex, it can go terribly wrong.

It's not a matter of being his pet. It's the right move for several reasons

1) He does finish and sometimes you want that on the bench
2) The parts of his game that still need work on can still be worked on through training and not solely on playing at another club. Welbeck on the other hand just flat out needs games for the next stage.
3) At United he can be watched. If there is issues with ego and such - it is better he stays here.
 
Don't know if it would be madness.
It would be exciting though, from a youth-muppet point of view.
 
expect him to be loaned out. If he gets game it be a good move for him and us
 
Apparently it's looking like he's off on loan to Sunderland, according to football journalists in the NE at least, Scott Wilson is the Chief sports writer for the Northern Echo:

I'm told there's every chance of Danny Welbeck joining on loan when Man Utd return to England next week.
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Looking like Danny Welbeck loan deal to #SAFC will go through next week #MUFC
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I'll be honest, I really hope Bruce is planning on selling someone (like Jones) because otherwise that's a lot of competition for first team football. Unless he's going to be played wide of course
 
Hopefully Sunderland might play 4-3-3 with Welbeck as a wide forward.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Hopefully Sunderland might play 4-3-3 with Welbeck as a wide forward.
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Would be good if they did as hopefully it'd get him experience of playing both as a striker and as a wide forward. As long as he gets the game time he needs at Sunderland, then it looks like a good move - just always a risk when loaning to PL clubs
 
where will he fit in at sunderland
they have jones,bent and campbell
and they have signed a winger too havent they

left wing maybe ?
 
Reid plays on the left for Sunderland.

I think Wellbeck has looked equally as good as Obertan over these few friendlies and could be a good option in our front 3 system in particular.
 
The 4-3-3 is what he is destined for I feel, just wide enough to give width but closer to the striker than he'd be in 4-4-2.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
TBF SAF said he'd look at it again so who knows? Welbeck definitely suits our 4-3-3 system and is capable on either flank in a 4-4-2.
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I really hope SAF does look at it again as he has been one of very few players during this tour who you can feed the ball into and guarantee that he will hold onto it, he also appears to have a newfound confidence in his game as most of his tricks and flicks(most of which have come off) show.

I think he's looked a better player than cleverley and would get games if he stayed as a think he's currently on the verge of posing a real threat to either of our current wingers/forwards. The only think he needs to develop is a little more tracking back, and even that seems to have improved this season.
 
You guys keep talking about Welbeck on the wings, now I haven't watched any of our pre-season stuff because it's a terrible way to judge anything off. but when he's played there in legit games, he's looked fecking dire. At least through the centre he does a job, albeit not that great.
 
Zen said:
You guys keep talking about Welbeck on the wings, now I haven't watched any of our pre-season stuff because it's a terrible way to judge anything off. but when he's played there in legit games, he's looked fecking dire. At least through the centre he does a job, albeit not that great.
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I think it's generally meant more in the sense of playing as a wide attacker in a 433, as opposed to an out and out winger in a 442. Where, as you've said, he's been less impressive than elsewhere on the pitch.

That said we've yet to see him be used in a 433 so who knows. Maybe our early round carling cup front three will be Welbeck - Macheda - Obertan?
 
Zen said:
You guys keep talking about Welbeck on the wings, now I haven't watched any of our pre-season stuff because it's a terrible way to judge anything off. but when he's played there in legit games, he's looked fecking dire. At least through the centre he does a job, albeit not that great.
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Agreed, he doesn't have the trickery to beat a good defender on the flank, and he first touch is far too heavy. He creates the best chances when he is up top and can use his speed to get behind defenders in the center.
 
He has the pace to beat a defender, I wouldnt exactly call Valencia tricky either, but with his pace constantly beats his man. I think Welbeck will do best out wide in a 4-3-3
 
dhstriker said:
Agreed, he doesn't have the trickery to beat a good defender on the flank, and he first touch is far too heavy. He creates the best chances when he is up top and can use his speed to get behind defenders in the center.
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Thats pretty much the exact opposite of how he plays. Hes generally at his best coming in from wider areas and rarely runs in behind defenders
 
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