MERGED: Rooney signs new contract!
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Right here's my point of view.
I've never ever slagged of the transfer policy. I don't mind us not buying star players, and Valencia has been one of the buys of the last 5 years. We've spent pretty well in the last 5 years.
However at the same time, especially now you can't deny that with Rooney being a dick, (not that he is one, but he's acting like one now) that the squad is weaker than the last few years. Whilst due to squad limitations and older players it may not have been possible to strengthen during the last few windows, we should have potentially bought another player this summer, especially as transfer fees seemed to have cooled somewhat.
I've never ever slagged of the transfer policy. I don't mind us not buying star players, and Valencia has been one of the buys of the last 5 years. We've spent pretty well in the last 5 years.
However at the same time, especially now you can't deny that with Rooney being a dick, (not that he is one, but he's acting like one now) that the squad is weaker than the last few years. Whilst due to squad limitations and older players it may not have been possible to strengthen during the last few windows, we should have potentially bought another player this summer, especially as transfer fees seemed to have cooled somewhat.
And they sold Ibra one year later because he didn't work out. Should we fork over large sums of cash, and then sell them for substantially lower fees one year later? Valencia was bought for much less than Ibra but had a greater impact on our team.
The only thing that interests Rooney is a big fat Arabian wod.
Was actually Mandy Rice Davis who said that (Christ Im getting old!)
Not really, they're just serving their own agendas at the expense of the club's situation re: Rooney, hoping to find a few spastics to side with them here.
If as heavily speculated Rooney's statement says something about a lack of ambition, how is it NOT relevant to take it as face value?
When will Rooney talk? Today?
The reason for Rooney wanting out is obvious - Stretford has persuded him it's his last chance to get a huge pot of money before Euefa clamp down next year. And Stretford realizes that Rooney has peaked and it's HIS last chance of a mega pension pot. Simples.
Biggest load of bullshit I've read yet.
Well obviously, he's certainly no hero no matter what he says, as far as I'm concerned.
If they are indeed his genuine reasons for wanting away, I'd have to say we can have few complaints, really.
Any self-respecting football club would attempt to fill the void in quality left by two superb player's like Ronaldo and Tevez, the fact we didn't suggest something is amiss. When we didn't invest the Ronaldo money, I'm sure it's not just the supporters who had alarm bells ringing in their ears.
We did reinvest though, Valencia was a replacement. Not the same level no, but a replacement.
I'm wondering if Wayne knew about future investment. Especially over this summer.
They're happy - more turmoil is the name of the game for these beneficent defenders of all that is right and good. It is better for their pocketbooks.
Isn't that grand? True supporters of Manchester United, the great Red Knights.
They have blown it with most
If they were his genuine reasons for wanting away, he'd have wanted away 6 months ago when instead he was saying he wants to sign for life and try and emulate Giggs.
So this 25% sell-on clause ... is that a fact?
Not interested in what he's got to say until we've got this important game out of the way.
No doubt he'll try and muddy the club's name.
Quite simply it's not relevant because it would have been perfectly understandable for his camp to say that in the first place.
They didn't, they chose the "irreparable beakdown" line.
How can you suggest that anyone is happy?
FFS people this is linked to the Glazers. Even if you're saying it's all about money, that's linked to the Glazers, because there's potential that we can't keep up with other clubs wages because of the Glazers.
Someone said if there's a difference between 30 mil and 40 mil. There's a fecking huge difference, and you can push on in your lifestyle choice. Rooneys a cracking player, not best in the world, but he's up with the top and if LIKE HAS BEEN SUGGESTED he's leaving for lack of ambition then it needs to be looked at. Is what he saying true? Or is he just a money grabbing prick (possibly it's a mixture of both). You can say all you want it's a prickish move to do, and yes it is, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have anything to do with the club.
We've had a few people say the lack of investment could be detrimental to the squad, and now here it is, proof that yes, that could be right. You can't keep burying your head in the sand because EVERY bit of news like this is linked to the ownership of the club.
FFS people this is linked to the Glazers. Even if you're saying it's all about money, that's linked to the Glazers, because there's potential that we can't keep up with other clubs wages because of the Glazers.
Someone said if there's a difference between 30 mil and 40 mil. There's a fecking huge difference, and you can push on in your lifestyle choice. Rooneys a cracking player, not best in the world, but he's up with the top and if LIKE HAS BEEN SUGGESTED he's leaving for lack of ambition then it needs to be looked at. Is what he saying true? Or is he just a money grabbing prick (possibly it's a mixture of both). You can say all you want it's a prickish move to do, and yes it is, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have anything to do with the club.
We've had a few people say the lack of investment could be detrimental to the squad, and now here it is, proof that yes, that could be right. You can't keep burying your head in the sand because EVERY bit of news like this is linked to the ownership of the club.
Simple answer is that Rooney is a transfer muppet. Hernandez outperformed him at the World Cup but who is he? Not even in FM!
So if he fecks off to City for £200k+ a week wages that is the Glazers fault? Those fecking cnuts wouldn't break our wage structure to match the Arabs with infinitely deep pockets!!!!!
Jesus, u mad.
Yeah look at who they are replacing their players with......players of the same or similar quality. Obviously you can't do direct replacements, but you can buy players that make up and keep the team at the top. Selling Ronaldo and letting Tevez and replacing them with Valencia is not keeping the team at the top, and well that was proven last season.
I'm not listing a bunch of people we could of bought, because quite frankly a lot of players we COULD of easily have gotten if we could of spent have moved since Ronaldo, and outside of Ronaldo/Kaka/Benzema/Ibra, they have mostly been pretty realistic prices. And really I don't care, you'd never find me in stupid transfer threads based off nothing, I realize the situation we are in, and while I never thought Rooney would leave, I knew we had to be prepared a down period soon enough.
Arsenal have been proving for the past 5 years that the tactic of selling the players you've made and keeping faith in youth and "bargain"-ish buys doesn't really work anymore.
I think Fergie is a man of greater ambition than Rooney and if he felt that the club could no longer match his ambition, he'd say something.
By all accounts he wasn't too afraid to speak up about transfer/wages policy when it was a PLC so why should he be now when he's hardly going to be around for too much longer either way?
If Rooney had a problem with the transfer situation then I am sure a little meeting with SAF to express his concerns and receive assurances would have been the thing to do.
It would have even been fairer for him to say in May that unless big names were brought in then he'd be off than to keep this to himself and then tell the club on the day the PL kicks off that he doesn't want to stay.
By all accounts he wasn't too afraid to speak up about transfer/wages policy when it was a PLC so why should he be now when he's hardly going to be around for too much longer either way?
If Rooney had a problem with the transfer situation then I am sure a little meeting with SAF to express his concerns and receive assurances would have been the thing to do.
It would have even been fairer for him to say in May that unless big names were brought in then he'd be off than to keep this to himself and then tell the club on the day the PL kicks off that he doesn't want to stay.
The cnut is going to turn this into a public dirty laundry show. Sure, on his day he is one hack of a great footballer but the last weeks have shown him to be a human being of the lowest common denominator. I dont see what he can say that will in anyway rectify his now train wrecked personal reputation.
However, I now know how Spurs fans felt after Berbatov left, Or Arsenal fans after Sol Cambells betrayal.
Shit happens, under SAF we have pretty much experienced every situation and emotion football can offer .... and yet there has only ever been one certainty whilst under SAF ... and that is that we find a way back and carry on with our traditions of winning in the right way. As long as we have SAF for the next 2 or 3 years, I don't care who stays or leaves, he will find a way.
May he remain in the best of health and continue his reign for many more years.
But now you're doing what ifs. The fact is whilst we're the most successful club of the last decade in England, we have no earners in the top ten earners of the premier league, and our star player is potentially fecking off either according to people here, for money, or because of lack of ambition. That is linked directly to the boardroom level. Whether it's the Glazers fault, it's definitely a link. Could we have satisfied Rooney right now witht he Red Knights? Or the old board. It's a question which could be done with being answered.
We need to make a distinction here between the Glazers (business side) which is bad..........and the "club" (if I can still use that word) which is good.
The Glazers are in the business of being rich.
Manchester United is a business. As is McDonalds
But the business IS Football not burgers.
If McDonalds dont have good food at good prices..the business fails.
Likewise United "sell football". It needs to be good. Yes there isan uncomfortable feeling which I share that the "Board" is happy enough to have a team capable of coming third or fourth in the Premiership as thats "good enough" to get a longish run in the Champions League. Spending a lot of money to maybe actually win the Premiership is not in their thinking (its a simple risk assessment in their view).
But the Press Conference yesterday was not directly about "business" side of football. This was the raw emotion of a "club".......of manager/staff, players and fans......this was old school.
Everything Fergie said was true.....and as true now in 2010 as it was in 1958. Deep down its about the shirt, its about honour, its about dignity and its about raw emotion.
70 odd pages ofthis thread.........will he go?......will he stay?......its actually beyond that.
Fergie said the door was open but was effectively slamming it in Rooneys/Stretfords face.
Fergie doesnt want him at Old Trafford. Hed rather have whatever cash he gets for him.
And lets be honest.....so would we.
The Glazers are in the business of being rich.
Manchester United is a business. As is McDonalds
But the business IS Football not burgers.
If McDonalds dont have good food at good prices..the business fails.
Likewise United "sell football". It needs to be good. Yes there isan uncomfortable feeling which I share that the "Board" is happy enough to have a team capable of coming third or fourth in the Premiership as thats "good enough" to get a longish run in the Champions League. Spending a lot of money to maybe actually win the Premiership is not in their thinking (its a simple risk assessment in their view).
But the Press Conference yesterday was not directly about "business" side of football. This was the raw emotion of a "club".......of manager/staff, players and fans......this was old school.
Everything Fergie said was true.....and as true now in 2010 as it was in 1958. Deep down its about the shirt, its about honour, its about dignity and its about raw emotion.
70 odd pages ofthis thread.........will he go?......will he stay?......its actually beyond that.
Fergie said the door was open but was effectively slamming it in Rooneys/Stretfords face.
Fergie doesnt want him at Old Trafford. Hed rather have whatever cash he gets for him.
And lets be honest.....so would we.
Do you think we should start doubling the wages of the highest paid players in football, all for the sake of him?
Collymore has heard the deal is 500k per week. Crerand is hearing it is 300k.
No actual business, PLC or otherwise, debt or otherwise, would pay that and break their wage structure.
Plaything for an oil magnate? Yes. Actual business meant to run to some semblance of a business model? No.
You're going to actually fall for his pathetic little excuse, as he lines his pockets in an unprecedented way in the history of football.
I think it's unfair to use Rooney wanting to leave as evidence the club can't compete with the Madrid's. Until he comes and publicly speaks out about it, we don't have a clue why he has decided he wants to go. Being a narrow minded thick scouser, his motive would be predictably money, but he has enough of a brain to not come out and admit that.
It's a confusing one. If he feels the club aren't ambitious enough, then good luck finding a club with as much stability as us, with as much history as us, and a club where you'll be loved by the fans and treasured. I reckon Ronaldo and Mourinho's "Rooney come to us" plea's might have got to him. He's made a mistake, he'll soon realise that.
It's a confusing one. If he feels the club aren't ambitious enough, then good luck finding a club with as much stability as us, with as much history as us, and a club where you'll be loved by the fans and treasured. I reckon Ronaldo and Mourinho's "Rooney come to us" plea's might have got to him. He's made a mistake, he'll soon realise that.
The answer to the "old board" question is definitely no.
They are the ones who had such strict wage structures in the 1990s, broken by Keane, and even then only very carefully. We were never paying the biggest wages in the world, even when we were a PLC.
We haven't got a clue how much money he's been offered, or what City could potentially offer. You're just assuming.
Who knows, some seem to think it expired last summer as the clause had a 5 year duration. Others claim it will be activated if we sell Rooney for anything above £27m
Exactly. I thought it was interesting that there isn't one United player in the top 10 best paid players in the premiership. We're a well run club that tries to keep the wage bill down to a bare minimum. If we decided to pay out to Rooney do you think that Berbatov, Nani, Vidic, Rio etc would be happy? They'd all be wanting more wages and fair fecks to em, but by doing that we'd be making our debt a bigger problem.
We can't afford to offer higher wages. There has to be a maximum amount and if a player wants more, then so be it. They go elsewhere.
No player in the history of the game is worth 200k a week, let alone 500k. That kind of money is just beyond ludicrous and is making a mockery of the game.
I really hope Rooney doesn't decide to air issues best kept within the confines of United hierarchy, but if he does so he'll soon learn a very quick lesson at Manchester United and those who call themselves fans of this club.
Simply:
1.) Sir Alex Ferguson is right.
2.) There is only one man in the same league as SAF, Sir Matt.
3.) Rooney will soon find out that on the great ship he's sailing on, he's just about equivalent to the ships cat.
I mean this only in the sense of whom we'll side with, not footballing prowess.
The answer to the "old board" question is definitely no.
They are the ones who had such strict wage structures in the 1990s, broken by Keane, and even then only very carefully. We were never paying the biggest wages in the world, even when we were a PLC.
But we were paying the highest wages in the premier league. And we have grown as a money making machine since then, as has players wages. It's hard to tell for sure because there's to many factors. Could the old board have manipulated the brand for commercial success? Who knows.
I'm responding to the actual media reports.
You're just assuming he isn't a hideous vile greedy lying little scrote, which on the evidence before us is a hell of a big leap.
If you watch the PC again, Fergie said that they never got as far as talking figures.
Rooney simply stated that he wanted to leave.
Agreed.
Even as a PLC we would not have been able, nor would we have tried, to match what City could potentially offer.