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Inigo Montoya said:
I wish I could share your optimism but in the years he's been here I actually haven't seen any improvement
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Stats would help you here. Gaurdian chalkboard would tell you how good his passes were in yesterday's game and saturday's game. You could compare that to some game from the year before.

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-Driving runs are more frequent
-Longer passes find the player more often than not
-Lesser hollywood style passes and more accurate through balls
-No more feckity feck side passing techinique

I know i'm taking a lot out of just these two games, but there is improvement.
 
I've always thought that Anderson has flattered to deceive but there has been improvement in his game recently, as Clique points out above. He's a long way from ousting Scholes though but if he carries on displaying his current attitude, then there's hope for him. United fans are quick to forgive a player who gives 100% no matter what.
 
Moriarty said:
I've always thought that Anderson has flattered to deceive but there has been improvement in his game recently, as Clique points out above. He's a long way from ousting Scholes though but if he carries on displaying his current attitude, then there's hope for him. United fans are quick to forgive a player who gives 100% no matter what.
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Forgive? There's nothing to forgive is there? He does give 100%, true but when there's Utd quality lacking, it's lacking, simple enough.
 
Except when it's not lacking.

As we saw at the weekend and have seen on a number of times before.

One swallow doesn't make a summer but the one thing we saw against Blackburn is that Anderson clearly has the talent to play for United. It's just a case of producing on a regular basis. Which is exactly what most people were saying about Nani this time last year (apart from a vocal minority who were banging on about him not being "United quality")
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Except when it's not lacking.

As we saw at the weekend and have seen on a number of times before.

One swallow doesn't make a summer but the one thing we saw against Blackburn is that Anderson clearly has the talent to play for United. It's just a case of producing on a regular basis. Which is exactly what most people were saying about Nani this time last year (apart from a vocal minority who were banging on about him not being "United quality")
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Few and far between Pogue. I've mentioned the weekend already, and that game was over by half time but I look for something when the team really needs it. Against WBA when he was on he did nothing to inspire the team or the crowd, and let's face it he didn't last night. Maybe he doesn't lack talent but he doesn't have that Utd player about him. Maybe he'd do better somewhere else. Meanwhile we'll just have to hope that he can repay the faith many seem to have in him....which is exactly what I had in his first season and defended him till I was blue in the face but now........ I don't know mate
 
He's not as good as Scholes, but who does?

We're talking about Scholes here, anything remotely his level is good enough for Anderson for the time being.

Besides, anything better than him we'd probably looking for 20M+ we can't afford.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
Few and far between Pogue. I've mentioned the weekend already, and that game was over by half time but I look for something when the team really needs it. Against WBA when he was on he did nothing to inspire the team or the crowd, and let's face it he didn't last night. Maybe he doesn't lack talent but he doesn't have that Utd player about him. Maybe he'd do better somewhere else. Meanwhile we'll just have to hope that he can repay the faith many seem to have in him....which is exactly what I had in his first season and defended him till I was blue in the face but now........ I don't know mate
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I thought he was the only United player who came out of last night's game with credit. Unlike most of his team-mates, his head never dropped and he kept looking for the ball and looking to make things happen.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I thought he was the only United player who came out of last night's game with credit. Unlike most of his team-mates, his head never dropped and he kept looking for the ball and looking to make things happen.
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I won't dispute that though Giggs was still trying hard to the end...ah well....time to put this to rest and look forward to Saturday
 
Inigo Montoya said:
but he doesn't have that Utd player about him.
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Jesus Christ almighty, "doesn't have that Utd player about him", what a crock of shite, neither do Carrick or Fletch I guess? Probably neither did Nani before?

Load of bollocks that is, he's strong, fast, perfect on the counter attack, the very essence of United. Plus, he has GIANT balls, and those GIGANTIC balls helped us to win us a Champs League final. If Anderson and those giant balls aren't "United" then I seriously don't know what is.
 
Moriarty said:
Dunno about that Inigo. He's put in a few performances where he looked like he didn't give a toss.
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I'd never level that agianst any Utd player except Neil Webb;)

Anderson does, if anything, keep on trying...I'll give him that.What I do want to see is some end product
 
Moriarty said:
He's put in a few performances where he looked like he didn't give a toss.
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Wtf is going on in here today, when does Ando look like he's not giving a toss?

He's had his share of poor games granted, but "not giving a toss", this place is spouting nonsense by the bucketload today.
 
Sharky7 said:
Jesus Christ almighty, "doesn't have that Utd player about him", what a crock of shite, neither do Carrick or Fletch I guess? Probably neither did Nani before?

Load of bollocks that is, he's strong, fast, perfect on the counter attack, the very essence of United. Plus, he has GIANT balls, and those GIGANTIC balls helped us to win us a Champs League final. If Anderson and those giant balls aren't "United" then I seriously don't know what is.
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"Giant balls" is what you've just posted. Must be someone else you've been watching, confusing him with Ronaldo are you.
 
Sharky7 said:
Wtf is going on in here today, when does Ando look like he's not giving a toss?

He's had his share of poor games granted, but "not giving a toss", this place is spouting nonsense by the bucketload today.
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Just giving my opinion on what I've seen of him.
 
Amidst all the frosty gloom last night, I thought he was quite good - probably our best player on the night, although that's not saying much. Strong on the ball and showing good pace carrying it forward. His passing was generally sharp and accurate.

Anderson's problem is that he's not really played enough for us to be able to judge him. Injuries and not being selected seem to have made his United career very disjointed. How good is he or how good can he be are questions nobody can really answer. Perhaps we might find out if he is given a run in the side. I know he's an attacking type but could he perhaps play the midfeld anchor role - as Hargreaves was supposed to do ? He has the ability to tackle, win the ball and bring it out of defence and then to release it accurately. Maybe a midfield trio of Anderson, Carrick and Fletcher is our best option - certainly in the big games to come.

Having said that, I'm none too confident he'll be in the team this weekend.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I thought he was the only United player who came out of last night's game with credit. Unlike most of his team-mates, his head never dropped and he kept looking for the ball and looking to make things happen.
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I agree with this assessment mostly, but I think he tired toward the end of the match
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I thought he was the only United player who came out of last night's game with credit. Unlike most of his team-mates, his head never dropped and he kept looking for the ball and looking to make things happen.
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I agree with this assessment mostly, but I think he tired toward the end of the match and
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I thought he was the only United player who came out of last night's game with credit. Unlike most of his team-mates, his head never dropped and he kept looking for the ball and looking to make things happen.
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I agree with this assessment mostly, but I think he tired toward the end of the match and his passing suffered for it.
 
Thoroughly impressed with his last two performances. I reckon he has some sort of secret training and coaching behind closed doors like Nani did before appearing again in the Hull game where it all kicked on.

Hope he starts again on Saturday. He needs more football.
 
Moriarty said:
I've always thought that Anderson has flattered to deceive but there has been improvement in his game recently, as Clique points out above. He's a long way from ousting Scholes though but if he carries on displaying his current attitude, then there's hope for him. United fans are quick to forgive a player who gives 100% no matter what.
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Not really. If he can recreate his performance against blackburn consistently then he'll oust scholes almost straight away, giving scholes the odd game here and there like last season.

Anderson attempted 99 passes. Made 95 including one assist. Those stats are very scholes esque. Scholes finds space better and uses the ball more intelligently obviously, but if anderson can maintain those levels of stats then he also brings his ability to go past players in the midfield opening up teams and bringing players out of their positions.

Thats the best performance i've seen from Anderson in years and finally its not about improving his performance to get into the team but maintaining his form imo. Maybe a Nani type turnaround has just begun...
 
Scholes' pass completion include those very difficult long diagonal balls.So despite Anderson having a great passing completion at the last match there is no way "he'll oust scholes almost straight away".Scholes is another dimension in terms of passing right now
 
kouroux said:
Scholes' pass completion include those very difficult long diagonal balls.So despite Anderson having a great passing completion at the last match there is no way "he'll oust scholes almost straight away".Scholes is another dimension in terms of passing right now
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Although he doesn't do it with much regularity these days; Scholes has an uncanny ability to score both with head and feet, and quite a number from distance. I don't see Anderson ever doing that. It's not a criticism of Anderson more praise for a remarkable player in Scholes...really only Fabregas come close to being able to pick passes as well as arrive in the box to finish off moves.

I see Anderson's future if he continues to improve more of a driving box-to-box midfielder more in the style of Davids than scholes
 
Right now, there are not many midfielders that would match Scholes' passing. But then again, we cant replace Scholes likewise, like we couldnt with Keane. But Anderson's passing surely can get better if he gets more games under his belt and works hard
 
kouroux said:
Scholes' pass completion include those very difficult long diagonal balls.So despite Anderson having a great passing completion at the last match there is no way "he'll oust scholes almost straight away".Scholes is another dimension in terms of passing right now
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Definitive statements are always a bit stupid but I feel pretty confident that Scholes will always have another passing dimension (or two) than Anderson.
 
Scholes' game is about more than accurate passing though. It's an ability to make the right pass at the right time. Pass completion stats will never tell you much about that aspect of his game.

As others have already said, Anderson (hopefully) replacing Scholes will be no more "like for like" than Carrick 'replacing' Keane or Valencia 'replacing' Ronaldo. It's possible to fill the void left by a departed player without needing to bring exactly the same thing to the team that he did.
 
Brwned said:
Definitive statements are always a bit stupid but I feel pretty confident that Scholes will always have another passing dimension (or two) than Anderson.
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I agree, definitie statements aren't cool but Scholes is one of the most natural passers you're ever going to see, Anderson just isn't, I don't know if you can learn to reach such a level
 
Boss said:
I agree, definitie statements aren't cool but Scholes is one of the most natural passers you're ever going to see, Anderson just isn't, I don't know if you can learn to reach such a level
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Curiously enough Scholes started life as a striker as far as I can remember anyway from watching youth team games and his early outings with the 1st team
 
kouroux said:
Scholes' pass completion include those very difficult long diagonal balls.So despite Anderson having a great passing completion at the last match there is no way "he'll oust scholes almost straight away".Scholes is another dimension in terms of passing right now
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If, and if being the very unlikely scenario, Anderson can maintain a 85/90/95% passing accuracy then he will be starting most games for us. Scholes is the best passer in the premiership, and like i said he's a much more intelligent user of the ball than anderson. i didn't say anything differently. But if you're pointing to Scholes diagonal balls then i'll point to Andersons through balls, like Nani's goal against blackburn, if his passing is more consistent then he'll be making more of those for example where as previously they've been over hit and the wrong option.

Scholes at his best is the best midfielder of his generation still, Anderson won't live up to that hype. My point is simple, scholes is a better passer, but if anderson can match his completion rate or close to, then he brings more pace, power and an ability to drive past opposition players into that midfield. For a counter attacking team that would be a huge bonus for us.

The problem is that its unlikely Anderson will ever be able to match scholes stats consistently as he is more ambitious/naive with his passing. Thats why i said if.
 
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Ferguson said: "A few years from now these players will go down there and win that kind of game. That is what experience gives you. It was not a 4-0 scoreline.

"We had the most possession, we had the most entries into the penalty box. They had six strikes at goal and scored four. We defended poorly. You cannot afford that in a cup tie.

"The only positive out of it was that Ryan (Giggs) and Darren (Fletcher) got a game. The only one who came up to standard was Anderson."
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SAF seems to agree with those of you that say he is the one player that did well in the WHU game.
 
Chuffed for the lad, hope the form continues and he sees a stretch... He's got a step of pace back, and doesn't look positionally lost anymore... I hope for his future he finds it will be here as a first team regular.
 
He was excellent until they scored.
So refreshing seeing him take those runs with the ball more often in a game, rather than just the once every 3rd game.

Edit: Just ignore Scholesy, this thread doesn't need two pages of people calling him an attention seeking muppet who is only looking to criticise the players on his spastic 'Players I don't like' List... Whoops.
 
Never makes himself available for a pass. Never tracks back. All he does is run with the ball.
 
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