The Saudis and Iranians will turn it into such. The people of Bahrain are just demanding fair elections and basic human rights for all.
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The Saudis and Iranians will turn it into such. The people of Bahrain are just demanding fair elections and basic human rights for all.
The Bahraini people will be divided up along religious lines. The government will try all possible options to survive.
There's stilll hope...perhaps...
Iran's Revolutionary Guard pledges to hold fire - Telegraph
Senior officers in Iran's Revolutionary Guards have written a letter to their commanding officer demanding assurances that they will not be required to open fire on anti-government demonstrators.
Following the recent violence that occurred during anti-government protests in Egypt, the officers argue that it is against the principles of Shi'ite Islamic law to use violence against their own people.
In a suggestion of a major split within the Islamic Republic's ruling hierarchy over its handling of anti-government protests, the letter has been circulated widely throughout the ranks of the Revolutionary Guards, the body responsible for defending religious system.
The letter, a copy of which has been seen by the Daily Telegraph, is addressed to Major Gen Mohammad Ali Jafari, the Guards' commanding officer. It calls on Major Gen Jafari to issue guidance to both the Revolutionary Guards and the Basij paramilitary militia to use restraint when handling anti-government protests.
SN reporting more civil unrest in Libya, Yemen and Jordan.
Sky Sports News are reporting that?...They've seriously expanded their remit since Graygate.
Libya might surprise us all and topple Qaddafi ina week or something
Benghazi , a major city, is already under the people's control. The fecking lunatic used foreign mercenaries to shoot the people and this may possibly make the people and the army unite??!!
Benghazi , a major city, is already under the people's control. The fecking lunatic used foreign mercenaries to shoot the people and this may possibly make the people and the army unite??!!
How are things in Egypt at the moment Avatar?
They need the western cities to be more active in their protests.
At the moment Benghazi has had its electric and petrol supply cut off (my friend who has family in Libya has heard the water was shut off too, but this is unconfirmed)
There are rumours that protests are starting to gather momentum in the west, so fingers crossed he may be toppled.
The army seems loyal to him and he seems to be a bad ass dictator type willing to kill to ''keep order''. They might have to copy the French revolution to get anywhere with him.
Saudi Arabia next? Good to see it's spread to the Gulf, though.
well..some good signs and some worrying signs. There have been labor protests for the past days ,workers demanding higher wages, but also to oust their managers/leaders who were basically Mubarak's men. Army doesn't like it as well as some people 'cause of the economy and all.
Emergency Law still in effect, State security apparatus still working. Many of those detained during the revolution were not released yet. some were finally released yesterday. Above all, th government appointed by Mubarak before his ouster is till there, though a few of its ministers did quit So basically the government is still composed of the hated ruling party.
Of course some of these demands take time, but we Egyptians are a bit worried ,may be paranoid because of our experience of living all our lives under an authoritarian regime
On the other hand, the army did dissolve the parliament , arrested several ex-ministers and a ruling party business tycoon, formed a new committee to amend the constitution to allow for free and fair elections -although some members of this committee are controversial - released around 240 of the detained and so far assures us that it understands all our concerns but that it takes time.
We are worried mainly of a counter revolution. That the army would try to stay in power in some Turkey-like way -before Urdogan's- and/or that the ruling party men will stay in power though may be under a new party name. Also 6 months -the period set by the army to stay in power-are not enough before the elections for all the newly formed and the chronically oppressed parties to go back into the streets and present their plans to the country. All say we need a year at least..otherwise it could be the same old parties and the Muslim brotherhood.....trying to scare the world of Islamists again ??
As regards Egyptians, we are so damn happy, we see a sense of unity and belonging that we lacked..People are cleaning the streets and painting the pavements, smiling and greeting complete strangers and are becoming more politically involved than before. it's a relatively better Egypt, but the future isn't clear yet ..
A massacre is the proper description for what's happening in Libya. problem for the Libyans is that they need to get rid of a dictator and a lunatic!!
Yeah, my friend is saying that 15 were shot by snipers at a funeral.
They are firing on protesters with machine guns and mortars. The Hospitals are out of supplies and blood with little hope of getting new supplies any time soon.
Things are going to get even worse now that one of Qaddafi's nephews has been killed by protesters.
Avatar,
Were you in a-Tahrir for Al-Qardawi's sermon on Friday?
Were you in a-Tahrir for Al-Qardawi's sermon on Friday?
Nope..why?
He talked about the need to "liberate" Al-aqsa and all. I wondered what the general sentiment among the crowd was.
I am also nervous about religious nutters returning from exile within days of the people overthrowing ruthless secular dictators.
I am also nervous about religious nutters returning from exile within days of the people overthrowing ruthless secular dictators.
we want el aqsa ..isn't it part of the 2 state solution 
Forget any rhetoric. nothing means that and people are not talking much about the Israel/Palestine as compared to talking about Egypt and its internal affairs
AM sure we'll be working for peace with the region. If a peace deal is really reached, any tension or rhetoric will fade away. Egyptians are worried of Israel as well as Hamas and the MB
Forget any rhetoric. nothing means that and people are not talking much about the Israel/Palestine as compared to talking about Egypt and its internal affairs
AM sure we'll be working for peace with the region. If a peace deal is really reached, any tension or rhetoric will fade away. Egyptians are worried of Israel as well as Hamas and the MB
More massacres in Bahrain and Libya. Brought to you by the Sandhurst military academy and BAE systems.
we want el aqsa ..isn't it part of the 2 state solution
Forget any rhetoric. nothing means that and people are not talking much about the Israel/Palestine as compared to talking about Egypt and its internal affairs
AM sure we'll be working for peace with the region. If a peace deal is really reached, any tension or rhetoric will fade away. Egyptians are worried of Israel as well as Hamas and the MB
Our two-state solution was agreed on in 1979. you got Sinai back and now you want Jerusalem too? I have given up on understanding who you refer to as "we"
As I can't really do anything about this anyway, I'll try to adopt a measure of your optimism.
BTW, why would the Egyptians be worried of Israel?
Hehe...two members of honourable UN human-rights council.
Our two-state solution was agreed on in 1979. you got Sinai back and now you want Jerusalem too? I have given up on understanding who you refer to as "we"
As I can't really do anything about this anyway, I'll try to adopt a measure of your optimism.
BTW, why would the Egyptians be worried of Israel?
both should share Jerusalem. Will get rid of a lot of reasons to fight.
Our two-state solution was agreed on in 1979. you got Sinai back and now you want Jerusalem too? I have given up on understanding who you refer to as "we"
As I can't really do anything about this anyway, I'll try to adopt a measure of your optimism.
BTW, why would the Egyptians be worried of Israel?
We = Arabs and Muslims specifically.. You know that Quds is holy for us. Dividing Jerusalem or placing it under some sort of international management is the only way forward
We care about Palestinians . That's a fact. Many Egyptians consider them as brothers whether because of Islam, history, Arab nationalism due to the many sufferings they have been through or simply due to valuing human rights. Many secular Egyptians who don't give a damn about nationalism or religion are sympathetic to the Palestinian cause because of what they perceive as violation of human rights perpetuated by the Israelis.
Egyptians worry of Israel because of your nuclear arsenal.. America's meddling in the region and again the Palestinian grievances. We both know very well that it's a cold peace between Egypt and Israel. Until the Palestinian case is solved, it will continue to be so. I'm being honest
'Sharing' Jerusalem is a pretext the Israelis use to justify illegally annexing East Jerusalem.
The best thing would be an independent Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as it's capital. It'll improve Israeli's security too, and it's relations with neighbouring countries.
If you as an Egyptian and think that because of this Revolution you have any right or any more ability to meddle in the whole Israel-Palestinian affair, you are mistaken. The amusing thing about your post is that you mention the US meddling in the region, isn't that exactly what you are putting forth that Egypt do to Israel and Palestine. The more you meddle the more Israel will respond with force, regardless of who it is aimed at.
You must be kidding it would all the more reason for them to fight, neither want to share the city, and it doesnt seem like it would be wise to have them in such close proximity to either.
How have you come to the conclusion Avatar is proposing Egypt meddle in the Palestine/Israel issue?
You are aware that what you call Haram Al-Sharif is also called the Temple Mount, the single holiest place to religious Jews. Saying a place is holy doesn't break the stalemate here. I like the idea of an international governing body for the old city, but I am not too optimistic about such a creative solution being reached with so little trust between Jews and Arabs. Furthermore, as long as Arabs resist recognizing the legitimacy of a Jewish Israel I doubt any step forward can be made, let alone Israel handing the old city to anyone.
I don't buy the "human rights" card you mention here. Where were the masses during 1948-1967 when the WB and Gaza were under Jordanian and Egyptian rule, respectively? Just as back then, I'm afraid it's the "we" against "them" terminology.
Why are you worried about Israel's nukes (if we have them at all
)? Why would Israel want to nuke Egypt ?Wrong. We're not sharing it with anyone at the moment, but have it under our complete control. There is a difference between parts of East Jerusalem being a Palestinian capital and Israel giving up control of the old city. However, we seem to be pretty far for discussing the future of Jerusalem with our cousins next door.
I had a weird dream last night... I got of my arse and went shopping in Sainsbury's, on the way back I ended up in Libya, close to the Tunisian border. I then went on the run against Gadaffi's forces, who for some inexplicable reason wanted me dead. I still had my flipping carry bags in my hands...as I jibbed in and out of downtown Tripoli, you'd think the cnuts would've been able to spot a Sainsbury's shopper from a revolutionary or a renegade. It didn't completely displease me, though...because it kind of felt cool being on the run HL2 style. Basically, you folk don't know how it feels.....
Breaking News on Sky
Libyan Army Defects And 'Liberates' Benghazi
Libya Protests: Benghazi 'Liberated' By Soldiers As They Defect From Gaddafi's Forces | World News | Sky News
Have they staged a coup ?
Libyan Army Defects And 'Liberates' Benghazi
Libya Protests: Benghazi 'Liberated' By Soldiers As They Defect From Gaddafi's Forces | World News | Sky News
Have they staged a coup ?
I bet Qaddafi's happy he's not living in the tent he normally brings to the UN.Not that I meant Egypt meddling in anything, but the joke here is comparing Egypt to the US. You do know Egypt borders both Israel and Gaza and it's a direct national security issue for us. You do know as well that the US is in North America..right?
You are aware that what you call Haram Al-Sharif is also called the Temple Mount, the single holiest place to religious Jews. Saying a place is holy doesn't break the stalemate here. I like the idea of an international governing body for the old city, but I am not too optimistic about such a creative solution being reached with so little trust between Jews and Arabs. Furthermore, as long as Arabs resist recognizing the legitimacy of a Jewish Israel I doubt any step forward can be made, let alone Israel handing the old city to anyone.
I don't buy the "human rights" card you mention here. Where were the masses during 1948-1967 when the WB and Gaza were under Jordanian and Egyptian rule, respectively? Just as back then, I'm afraid it's the "we" against "them" terminology.
Why are you worried about Israel's nukes (if we have them at all
I am not discussing this conflict in this thread anymore. We can start another one or just reopen one of the 1000 over there
Libya may break the record God's willing
I hope they do..they suffered a lot in less than a week already
I hope they do..they suffered a lot in less than a week already
Libya may break the record God's willing
I hope they do..they suffered a lot in less than a week already
Absolutely.
2 ambassadors have resigned, as well as parts of the army starting to defect over the brutal way Gaddafi is treating the protesters.
The tide may be turning. Tripoli is a warzone at the moment apparently with the African mercenaries shooting protesters and burning buildings, but the people seem determined that this is their time.
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Did Gaddafis son just get shot by his brother? or is that just a rumour?
^ From twitter, Lowkey is normally on point about these things.
Did Gaddafis son just get shot by his brother? or is that just a rumour?
^ From twitter, Lowkey is normally on point about these things.
Public statement at the moment by one of Gaddafi's sons. He is talking absolute shit. Blaming everyone but the regime for the deaths. "Illegal immigrants and trade unionists" LMAO
That public statement from Gaddafi's son is hilarious
"The Zionists, Americans, Europeans are all ready to invade you and make you slaves. No bread, no freedom, think of your children!"
"The Zionists, Americans, Europeans are all ready to invade you and make you slaves. No bread, no freedom, think of your children!"
Benghazi is going nuts! Civilians have got access to military equipment and are rolling through the streets in tanks!