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Shimo said:
Obviously I can dispute it because I am.
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Well sure, but I meant a rational person couldnt dispute it.

It is only clear cut in your mind because you want it to be. Perhaps you are hung up on that if Valencia is deemed as dangerous a crosser as Nani, it would diminish Nani. It doesn't.
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Neither do you need to make out that he's as good a crosser when he clearly isnt. Valencia has other outstanding parts of his game.

How many of those 9 assists were from crosses? How many were crosses that didn't get deflected? You are using the assist stat as flat out an indicator of how much better of a crosser Nani is and it's such a big reach because it in no way proves that. What it does prove is that Nani has been at the heart of a lot of our goals in that period and one of our most reliable attackers. Anything beyond that is just a reach.
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Nani's? Brwned gave a great description above. He was noting all the crosses from playing on the right side that Nani had created in that month I believe. If you want to know if a couple had deflections you better ask him. But I think he would have pointed out any lucky breaks



Watch last season again and notice the difference between Nani at the start of the season and when he came about. Valencia was doing what Nani wasn't, which was looking up and seeing where players were, he didn't blindly throw balls into the box like you are implying. He looks for our strikers or where they'll be moving to or should be making a run for given the space he sees. Coincidence or not but, I made the point several times last season when people were on Nani's back, once he takes a page from from Valencia's book and picks his head up more and looks for our players, he'll be far better, he started doing that. I said maybe the time he is spending out he'll learn from watching Valencia - and coincidentally he did come back with a little more thought to his crossing than he had before. If it was from watching Tony V or not - no clue.

Remember the game at the San Siro last season when Nani just kept putting in crosses to dangerous areas but, not really looking to pick out players in particular and then got subbed off only for Valencia to come on and look up and find Rooney at the far post?

To me watching games both players create a lot of opportunities via their crossing, it is hard for me to say one is better than the other from what I see on the pitch in that regard.
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Then you're blind, you should see someone about that. Although at this point I wonder if you could
 
Ekeke said:
Well sure, but I meant a rational person couldnt dispute it.



Neither do you need to make out that he's as good a crosser when he clearly isnt. Valencia has other outstanding parts of his game.



Nani's? Brwned gave a great description above. He was noting all the crosses from playing on the right side that Nani had created in that month I believe. If you want to know if a couple had deflections you better ask him. But I think he would have pointed out any lucky breaks





Then you're blind, you should see someone about that. Although at this point I wonder if you could
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Wow didn't realize you were that deeply in love with Nani. I'll stop because obviously saying Valencia provides as much danger with his crossing a Nani has really upset you. My bad.

Valencia is a terrible crosser, he actually closes his eyes when he crosses and sometimes even looks back before crossing, actually I think most of his crosses he is going for goal. Nani on the other hand was always brilliant and always puts in perfect crosses.
 
Ekeke said:
Hmm. So basically in Feb alone Nani has created as many goals from right sided crosses as Valencia got all last season - at least in the prem.
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Christ, no! It'd be fairly ridiculous for one player to get 9 assists in one month never mind 9 crosses, surely?

That was up until February. All in all he's had 13 assists, 11 crossed assists. Two of which were deflected, one of which was from a set piece.
 
Brwned said:
Christ, no! It'd be fairly ridiculous for one player to get 9 assists in one month never mind 9 crosses, surely?

That was up until February. All in all he's had 13 assists, 11 crossed assists. Two of which were deflected, one of which was from a set piece.
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Out of curiosity any of those crossed assists were crosses simply to within a dangerous area for which a player had to make a run / attempt to get to versus the laid on the platter ones? Reason I ask is Ekeke seems to want to try to paint each of Nani's crosses as precise guided missile while Valencia just throws in zizaging scuds he hopes someone will make with.

The point at least I was making earlier was that assists alone don't tell you that a player, who is a considered a winger, makes them a great crosser and by the same token the lack of assist doesn't either.

Ekeke and I agree to disagree with what we see on the pitch, in that Valencia is also a very good crosser of the ball but, to make an argument that he doesn't have as many assists as Nani proves he isn't proof that he isn't, is well a bit :lol:
 
Thought he was super tonight as our right back. Slotted in perfectly and refused to be bullied by Jerk-off and Malouda. That bit where both he and Nani attacked down the same wing was great.
 
Agree, did an outstanding job considering. Thought he might get caught out in the air, but passed that test too.
 
Couldn't believe SAF put him at RB but he played very well, him and Nani on the right :drool:
 
Does he ever put a foot wrong? I always feel so relaxed when he has the ball.
 
A real team player, I was pleased Fergie opted to put Nani on and move Valencia to RB rather than putting Evans on, I felt confident Valencia would do a strong defensive job and still offer us something going forward, which he did.
 
Solius said:
Does he ever put a foot wrong?
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The foot. He only has one.

But no, he really doesn't. Seldom gets caught out, can always be counted on. Our Mr. Reliable - though that's doing him a disservice.
 
Shimo said:
Out of curiosity any of those crossed assists were crosses simply to within a dangerous area for which a player had to make a run / attempt to get to versus the laid on the platter ones? Reason I ask is Ekeke seems to want to try to paint each of Nani's crosses as precise guided missile while Valencia just throws in zizaging scuds he hopes someone will make with.

The point at least I was making earlier was that assists alone don't tell you that a player, who is a considered a winger, makes them a great crosser and by the same token the lack of assist doesn't either.

Ekeke and I agree to disagree with what we see on the pitch, in that Valencia is also a very good crosser of the ball but, to make an argument that he doesn't have as many assists as Nani proves he isn't proof that he isn't, is well a bit :lol:
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I have no idea, to be honest. I just had a simple look at the guardian chalkboard goal events bit. I think he's still hugely exaggerating the point, because Valencia's always looking to pick out his man and is a very good crosser, but I have to say I don't disagree with his conclusion that Nani's the better crosser.

I did last year, but Nani's shown real quality in his crossing over the past year that I've never really seen from Valencia (and hadn't recognised in Nani before, I guess!). Nani's brilliant when it comes to putting it exactly where he wants it, at times putting in a absolutely perfect cross. Valencia just consistently puts in good-very good crosses, almost always putting it in a dangerous area, but he's not shown such ability to pick out a man with that much precision.

Very good at fullback tonight and even better as a winger, he never gives the opposition fullback an easy time and that's his best quality. No surprise he was so good at fullback either because he's made for the role.
 
So we now have the options of putting either the real twins or the fake twins on the right.
 
Brwned said:
I have no idea, to be honest. I just had a simple look at the guardian chalkboard goal events bit. I think he's still hugely exaggerating the point, because Valencia's always looking to pick out his man and is a very good crosser, but I have to say I don't disagree with his conclusion that Nani's the better crosser.

I did last year, but Nani's shown real quality in his crossing over the past year that I've never really seen from Valencia (and hadn't recognised in Nani before, I guess!). Nani's brilliant when it comes to putting it exactly where he wants it, at times putting in a absolutely perfect cross. Valencia just consistently puts in good-very good crosses, almost always putting it in a dangerous area, but he's not shown such ability to pick out a man with that much precision.

Very good at fullback tonight and even better as a winger, he never gives the opposition fullback an easy time and that's his best quality.
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Pretty much agree with all of that, Valencia is a more consistent crosser, but Nani has the capability to produce crosses that Valencia could only dream of doing at times.

Nani's cross for Hernandez which Cech just about got a hand to is something Valencia just cannot do.
 
I do wonder if SAF would go for that combo because Valencia combines really well and has great strength/fight in him. The speed down the right side would real cause some havoc for defenses. Maybe the Hargo of this campaign?
 
Very impressed with the way he just settled at right back without the minimum of fuss. Thought he was very disciplined, bar a few unnoticed mishaps positionally but overall excellent considering the hectic nature of the game and what was at stake.
 
He did well but didn't he miss picking up Torres when he had that header? Not a knock on Tony V just wondering.
 
I feel somewhat vindicated but I don't pay much attention to spastics on here.

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MrMarcello said:
I don't want Nani back on the left - he's too damn good on the right. But he'll perform wherever he's played IMO.

Other option could be Valencia at RB, where I think he'd be world class, but that means less matches for Rafael. But imagine Valencia and Nani overlapping on the right.

Or, perhaps Valencia in a three man midfield?
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RDCR07 said:
What in the world of holy crap are you talking about?
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niMic said:
Redcafe...
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charlenefan said:
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
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evra said:
Yeah let's play Park at left back.
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Redlambs said:
Nah, I've always thought Rooney would be world class there.
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Sarni said:
Valencia Ferdinand Vidic Park
Rooney Smalling Berbatov Evra
Nani Carrick

To be honest that could work, I've always thought Carrick could be a striker and Smalling looks like a midfielder material, Berbatov would be great in the middle too.
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Freak said:
We need a slap-head smiley.
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The guy is a machine. He's slotted in as if he's never been away.Love him. Our Val now even has a left foot.
 
I'm sure it's not a coincidence Rooney has found his best form since the return of Valencia.
 
Sultan said:
I'm sure it's not a coincidence Rooney has found his best form since the return of Valencia.
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Some will say it is just that coincidence. Might well be but, I get the same feeling. Valencia's went out April 24th 2010 in the Spurs game - with Rooney getting injury just before then.

It's a big coincidence and maybe it has more to do with tactics / role when Valencia is on the field but, whatever it is - it's great to see both on the field at the same time playing well. Throw in Nani as well and that's hell of an attacking trio. Wonder what it will be like when you've got Chicha as well - that's hell of a lot of pace.
 
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