Berbatov | Fulham player

How long do you guys expect us to keep Welbeck out of the team?

His time has come, IMO.
 
It's going to be an interesting summer. But then again, Berbatov's been "sold" every summer hasn't he. That said...

For the first time ever I am beginning to believe, Berba would leave.

A wonderful player, incredibly talented with a fantastic attitude. A joy to watch. One, who isn't solely motivated by money, in a world of mercenaries. One who told City to feck off, one who's scored a hattrick against Liverpool, helping knocking them of their perch, one who despite being dropped for almost the entire second half of the season, still came out to say how happy he is to be a part of this team..

Despite what people think I'd say, I almost want him to leave. He'll get appreciated elsewhere. Just ask your self a question. Is Macheda, Welbeck and Diouf the replacement we're all looking to? feck now I am nervous, the more I think about it. I hope Fergie thought this through
 
CentreForward said:
It's going to be an interesting summer. But then again, Berbatov's been "sold" every summer hasn't he. That said...
For the first time ever I am beginning to believe, Berba would leave.

A wonderful player, incredibly talented with a fantastic attitude. A joy to watch. One, who isn't solely motivated by money, in a world of mercenaries. One who told City to feck off, one who's scored a hattrick against Liverpool, helping knocking them of their perch, one who despite being dropped for almost the entire second half of the season, still came out to say how happy he is to be a part of this team..

Despite what people think I'd say, I almost want him to leave. He'll get appreciated elsewhere. Just ask your self a question. Is Macheda, Welbeck and Diouf the replacement we're all looking to? feck now I am nervous, the more I think about it. I hope Fergie thought this through
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We've seen plenty of strikers come and go mate, a lot of them better than Berbatov.
 
I'd still be surprised if Berbatov left, no one is going to offer more than £10 million for him and can you buy a replacement for that much? People have unrealistic expectations on our young players coming through like Welbeck and Macheda, I'd be surprised if they succeeded at the club. As things stand Owen will be leaving too so we're definately not going to let them both go, Sir Alex will want 3 or 4 established strikers.
 
Ixion said:
I'd still be surprised if Berbatov left, no one is going to offer more than £10 million for him and can you buy a replacement for that much? People have unrealistic expectations on our young players coming through like Welbeck and Macheda, I'd be surprised if they succeeded at the club. As things stand Owen will be leaving too so we're definately not going to let them both go, Sir Alex will want 3 or 4 established strikers.
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Why do you assume we'll only spend £10m on a replacement were he to be sold?

And if he is sold, £10m is a decent amount; we sold a younger Veron for £13m after paying a similar outlay.
 
Sam said:
It just doesn't make much sense to me. What would we get for him? £10 million tops?..what are the chances of us being able to replace him with someone of the same quality for less then that?...Unless he wants to move on, and has refused to sign a new contract, I don't see the financial or footballing sense in selling him.
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I think we'd comfortably get £15 million for Berba. PL top scorer and all that crap evra goes on with.

Look Berbatov is a good player but he's not better then Chich or Rooney. You don't need to have a 100k a week striker sitting on the bench with the real possibility of him not being able to score goals. What we need is another Saha without the injuries. A player that can score goals on tap but isn't always going to be a first teamer, and isn't demanding a first team wage.
 
Scoreboard Red said:
We've seen plenty of strikers come and go mate, a lot of them better than Berbatov.
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Sure. and he won't be the last to go. But again, who's coming. We've got to get a replacement for him, but all we've heard of is only midfielders, defenders a goalie. And who, of the quality of Berba would agree to play a second fiddle to Hernandez?
 
I just heard an additional rumour on TV, that in the post-match interviews, SAF when pressed further on Berba's ommission from the team, said that the team had taken a vote and he did not make it.
Who knows if this is just another crack-head, carcass-feeding, scum-of-the earth journo looking for sensationalism or what but this is really starting to piss me off.

I still can't get over the fact that he did not make the bench and that we were utterly dismantled by Barca.

He should have been part of the team and just based on footballing ability, he would have added some value to the team. It was clear by the end of the 1st half that Hernandez is having a very off night for a number of reasons.

I feel for him and I am sure that none of us can imagine what he must have felt like to be dropped. Imho, he will be off in the summer. Shame really.
 
CentreForward said:
Sure. and he won't be the last to go. But again, who's coming. We've got to get a replacement for him, but all we've heard of is only midfielders, defenders a goalie. And who, of the quality of Berba would agree to play a second fiddle to Hernandez?
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Thing is we don't really need another striker if we keep Owen and we're picking up Young. Owen is cover for Hernandez and Young can play in the hole. Rooney can also play as a loan front man in 433 and 451.

We then have Welbeck and Diouf if need be both of which i'm certain would score goals here and there given the level of service they'd get here.
 
CentreForward said:
Sure. and he won't be the last to go. But again, who's coming. We've got to get a replacement for him, but all we've heard of is only midfielders, defenders a goalie. And who, of the quality of Berba would agree to play a second fiddle to Hernandez?
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Not neccessarily, he doesn't have to play second fiddle. And I'm not sure about forwards, Benzema is a name being bandied about to United for some time, but knowing Fergie he'd prob sign someone unexpected like he did with Cole, Sheringhan etc.

Berbatov has quality, yes, but it's about applying it. Hernandez is a different type of talent but he's taken his chances and in big games.

I think we might go Rooney, Hernandez, Owen, Welbeck and have Morrisson in reserve with 5-10 appearances.
 
marchi-91 said:
Thing is we don't really need another striker if we keep Owen and we're picking up Young. Owen is cover for Hernandez and Young can play in the hole. Rooney can also play as a loan front man in 433 and 451.

We then have Welbeck and Diouf if need be both of which i'm certain would score goals here and there given the level of service they'd get here.
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correct.
 
if possible, keep berba. he can get us 15 goals a season, that could be vital in us winning the league again...

i just don't see owen capable of getting 15 goals these days. rooney,berba and chicharito can...

i just hope we strengthen our midfield. our attack is very fine, unless berba leaves of course, we didn't need any addition to our striking force.
 
A grade said:
I still can't get over the fact that he did not make the bench and that we were utterly dismantled by Barca.

He should have been part of the team and just based on footballing ability, he would have added some value to the team. It was clear by the end of the 1st half that Hernandez is having a very off night for a number of reasons.

I feel for him and I am sure that none of us can imagine what he must have felt like to be dropped. Imho, he will be off in the summer. Shame really.
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It was clear after 15 mins we were being taken apart, what use would Berb had been if we had no-one to convert our minimal chances?
You perform for the right to get a place in the team and a striker who hasn't scored in the competition for three years didn't deserve a place, especially one who has scored once in twelve off-the-bench appearances compared to Owen who had five off the bench.
 
A grade said:
I just heard an additional rumour on TV, that in the post-match interviews, SAF when pressed further on Berba's ommission from the team, said that the team had taken a vote and he did not make it.
Who knows if this is just another crack-head, carcass-feeding, scum-of-the earth journo looking for sensationalism or what but this is really starting to piss me off.

I still can't get over the fact that he did not make the bench and that we were utterly dismantled by Barca.

He should have been part of the team and just based on footballing ability, he would have added some value to the team. It was clear by the end of the 1st half that Hernandez is having a very off night for a number of reasons.

I feel for him and I am sure that none of us can imagine what he must have felt like to be dropped. Imho, he will be off in the summer. Shame really.
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utter bullshit
 
Scoreboard Red said:
It was clear after 15 mins we were being taken apart, what use would Berb had been if we had no-one to convert our minimal chances?
You perform for the right to get a place in the team and a striker who hasn't scored in the competition for three years didn't deserve a place, especially one who has scored once in twelve off-the-bench appearances compared to Owen who had five off the bench.
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Fair comment up to the point where the assumed expectation is that Owen would have made more of an impact off the bench. Imo, vs. a Barca team, we should have a different alternative, Owen is too similar to Hernandez in the way he plays. If Hernandez was completely ineffective, why would Owen make any difference? Of course, these are all assumptions, both about Berba and Owen but I still feel very strongly that Berba would have added something different to the match.
 
Treble said:
utter bullshit
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Absolutely. Something's wrong if Fergie takes a vote on who's to be on the bench in the biggest game of the season. Not to mention doing that would be a horrible way to make Berba feel exposed to and scrutinised by the team.
 
A grade said:
Fair comment up to the point where the assumed expectation is that Owen would have made more of an impact off the bench. Imo, vs. a Barca team, we should have a different alternative, Owen is too similar to Hernandez in the way he plays. If Hernandez was completely ineffective, why would Owen make any difference? Of course, these are all assumptions, both about Berba and Owen but I still feel very strongly that Berba would have added something different to the match.
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It's easily fair to assume Owen would've made more of an impact, because he has done more from the bench since he's been here compared to Berb.

Tevez and Rooney are quite similar, but they linked up brilliantly during the 2007/08 season.
 
CentreForward said:
A wonderful player, incredibly talented with a fantastic attitude.
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Ask Spurs fans how good his attitude is. He refused to play for them until he got his move to us.

CentreForward said:
one who despite being dropped for almost the entire second half of the season, still came out to say how happy he is to be a part of this team..
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That interview last week was him simply saying either give hime a contract or he has no problem seeing out his contract and getting a move for free next year.


CentreForward said:
Despite what people think I'd say, I almost want him to leave. He'll get appreciated elsewhere. Just ask your self a question. Is Macheda, Welbeck and Diouf the replacement we're all looking to? feck now I am nervous, the more I think about it. I hope Fergie thought this through
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Hard to say if Welbeck will step up he certainly has the best chance. I am sure Diouf will not and Macheda is a strange one.

But either way I have said all along that a Berbatov not in the team is fairly pointless to our squad. I hate seeing a £30m man sitting on the bench. Especially him who apart from a handful of times has ever made any impact off it.

So whats the point? If he isnt going to start he should leave for his own sake.
 
if Berbatov had played up front instead of Hernandez and turned in the same performance he'd've been crucified on here - had it been another lino he'd've cost us Rooney's goal through being offside yet again.

Not knocking Hernandez as he's been brilliant on the whole but pointing out the difference in perceptions and tolerances that people have of different players
 
Scoreboard Red said:
It's easily fair to assume Owen would've made more of an impact, because he has done more from the bench since he's been here compared to Berb.

Tevez and Rooney are quite similar, but they linked up brilliantly during the 2007/08 season.
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We are entitled to our different opinions. I am not sure about your point since I was talking about Owen coming in as a replacement to Hernandez, not the 2 of them playing together, or Owen playing with Rooney. I do agree on Tevez and Rooney playing well together. I can't remember the run of matches where Owen played well with either Rooney or Hernandez.
 
Denis' cuff said:
if Berbatov had played up front instead of Hernandez and turned in the same performance he'd've been crucified on here - had it been another lino he'd've cost us Rooney's goal through being offside yet again.

Not knocking Hernandez as he's been brilliant on the whole but pointing out the difference in perceptions and tolerances that people have of different players
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Eh?

Hernandez and Berba play very different roles, do you not understand that?

Funny how even after being dropped for squeeky bum time and then completely dropped for the final it is just our "difference in perceptions and tolerances" again... Berbahate is it? feck me, SAF's decision basically backs up alot of what many of us have said about Berba for a long time. It has feck all to do with disliking a player.
 
Denis' cuff said:
if Berbatov had played up front instead of Hernandez and turned in the same performance he'd've been crucified on here - had it been another lino he'd've cost us Rooney's goal through being offside yet again.

Not knocking Hernandez as he's been brilliant on the whole but pointing out the difference in perceptions and tolerances that people have of different players
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I thought Hernandez was well out os his depth on Saturday. But same could be said for pretty much the entire midfield and forward line
 
Denis' cuff said:
if Berbatov had played up front instead of Hernandez and turned in the same performance he'd've been crucified on here - had it been another lino he'd've cost us Rooney's goal through being offside yet again.
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ha ha, retarded comment. not one fecking lino in the world would've given offside there, what the feck are you on about?
 
Denis' cuff said:
if Berbatov had played up front instead of Hernandez and turned in the same performance he'd've been crucified on here - had it been another lino he'd've cost us Rooney's goal through being offside yet again.

Not knocking Hernandez as he's been brilliant on the whole but pointing out the difference in perceptions and tolerances that people have of different players
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This is a fair point but so far, Hernandez hasn't turned out two and a half seasons of frustrating performances riddled with inconsistency...
 
Sharky7 said:
Eh?

Hernandez and Berba play very different roles, do you not understand that?

Funny how even after being dropped for squeeky bum time and then completely dropped for the final it is just our "difference in perceptions and tolerances" again... Berbahate is it? feck me, SAF's decision basically backs up alot of what many of us have said about Berba for a long time. It has feck all to do with disliking a player.
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read the post, grow up and stop being emotional and a feckin Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime
 
Denis' cuff said:
if Berbatov had played up front instead of Hernandez and turned in the same performance he'd've been crucified on here - had it been another lino he'd've cost us Rooney's goal through being offside yet again.

Not knocking Hernandez as he's been brilliant on the whole but pointing out the difference in perceptions and tolerances that people have of different players
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spot on

It's about time to notice that Rooney and Chicha didn't work at all that game, that formation was a huge mistake, IMO, Rooney had to play on his own with a solid midfield behind him.

Already against Arsenal there were clear signs that that formation doesn't work well against teams that enjoy a lot of possession because Chicha tends to get completely isolated and completes 4-5 passes the whole game.

SAF seemed to have thought that Rooney + Chicha is a magical solution to our problems against top teams and in away games, and our excellent results against Chelsea encouraged him to think so. But it has turned out that we are left exposed in midfield, despite Rooney's work rate. And Chelsea haven't been that great a team this season either.

The main reason why Barca made us look as a pub team at times was Fergie's choice to start with Rooney and Chicha up front. The solution Fergie thought to have found against Barcelona turned out to be even worse than his tactics in 2009. So, he has to rethink his his formation in attack again.
 
Treble said:
spot on

It's about time to notice that Rooney and Chicha didn't work at all that game, that formation was a huge mistake, IMO, Rooney had to play on his own with a solid midfield behind him.

Already against Arsenal there were clear signs that that formation doesn't work well against teams that enjoy a lot of possession because Chicha tends to get completely isolated and completes 4-5 passes the whole game.

SAF seemed to have thought that Rooney + Chicha is a magical solution to our problems against top teams and in away games, and our excellent results against Chelsea encouraged him to think so. But it has turned out that we are left exposed in midfield, despite Rooney's work rate. And Chelsea haven't been that great a team this season either.

The main reason why Barca made us look as a pub team at times was Fergie's choice to start with Rooney and Chicha up front. The solution Fergie thought to have found against Barcelona turned out to be even worse than his tactics in 2009. So, he has to rethink his his formation in attack again.
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FFS.Words fail me
 
Treble said:
spot on

It's about time to notice that Rooney and Chicha didn't work at all that game, that formation was a huge mistake, IMO, Rooney had to play on his own with a solid midfield behind him.

Already against Arsenal there were clear signs that that formation doesn't work well against teams that enjoy a lot of possession because Chicha tends to get completely isolated and completes 4-5 passes the whole game.

SAF seemed to have thought that Rooney + Chicha is a magical solution to our problems against top teams and in away games, and our excellent results against Chelsea encouraged him to think so. But it has turned out that we are left exposed in midfield, despite Rooney's work rate. And Chelsea haven't been that great a team this season either.

The main reason why Barca made us look as a pub team at times was Fergie's choice to start with Rooney and Chicha up front. The solution Fergie thought to have found against Barcelona turned out to be even worse than his tactics in 2009. So, he has to rethink his his formation in attack again.
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Agree with most of this. Imho, Nani should have started this match, with Giggs, playing behind Rooney in a 1 striker formation or alternatively, Anderson, should have been on from the beginning.
 
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