Luka Modric
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
What does that mean then? Absolutely nothing, not even remotely near a point made. That's the sign of a desperate argument right there.
True, he is better than Barry, i'll give him that.
It's a rubbish argument, that should never be used to make a point. Because one player doesn't get picked over another for their national team, does not have any relation to the two players ability. Capello was idiotic not to include Carrick, but that doesn't somehow mean Carrick is stuck at Barry's level or worse. Think of how ridiculous the point is, do you really want people to start quoting shit players who managed to get a place over much better ones? It's happened with England enough.
I hate arguments like that, because you know it's a shit argument, and all it will do is wind others up.
I hate arguments like that, because you know it's a shit argument, and all it will do is wind others up.
Capello clearly rates Barry and Parker ahead of Carrick.
I don't rate Carrick because i don't think he's that good a player. He's a water carrier, he needs a partner to have all the ability that he doesnt. I think he's very average in what he does and the occasional good long pass asside he doesnt have any genuinely defining qualities.
Add to the fact he seems to almost always start a season slowely or go through massive dips in form and i truely don't understand his worth or how he is rated so highly.
I don't rate Carrick because i don't think he's that good a player. He's a water carrier, he needs a partner to have all the ability that he doesnt. I think he's very average in what he does and the occasional good long pass asside he doesnt have any genuinely defining qualities.
Add to the fact he seems to almost always start a season slowely or go through massive dips in form and i truely don't understand his worth or how he is rated so highly.
Good for Capello than, just because Barry was picked over Carrick, does not mean that Michael Carrick is only as good as Barry, that's beyond retarded.
You should have just said that at the start then, at least it's your opinion, instead of trying to make weird points with stupid massively irrelevant arguments.
You should have just said that at the start then, at least it's your opinion, instead of trying to make weird points with stupid massively irrelevant arguments.
Kindly, do feck off.
See what I mean. This is your problem Frankly, and why you get so much abuse on here.
Of course, you already knew the kind of response you would invite when you wrote that.
Of course, you already knew the kind of response you would invite when you wrote that.
What team do you support FranklyVulgar?
I didnt know comparing Carrick to Gareth Barry was a recipe for hatred. Sensitive subject i guess, although i have no idea why. Carrick is decent, i just dont think he's top level. United need better in my opinion.
It's not a recipe for hatred, its the manner in which you put it in. If you don't think Carrick is United class then fine.
Wait, did I read that properly? Modric is an upgrade on Carrick? like Brwned said, Flawless logic 
Kilmarnock.
He's a knowledgeable poster, with an annoying hard on for Busquets
Busquets is a class act, you don't have to be the main man to be a top player. Carrick is neither the main man or a class act, that's why i think United need better. He's had enough time now and i dont see him improving.
In my opinion he's been fortunate, right place at the right time.
Wait, did I read that properly? Modric is an upgrade on Carrick? like Brwned said, Flawless logic
he does the things carrick cant, if Carrick is in decent form then he'd be a fine foil for someone like Modric, but Carrick is not a player you can count on, his form does not maintain.
Don't be ignorant about it. Comparing Carrick to Barry has nothing to do with it. What you are saying is Barry's inclusion in the World Cup squad over Carrick is the indicator of his lack of quality.
It's a sensitive subject on a United forum when you are making pointless comparisons that don't come together to make any sort of point.
Everything else you said is fine, even though I completely disagree with it, it's an opinion and you don't have to rate Carrick. I know you aren't an idiot so you will see the difference in arguing a point, and arguing without one.
Oh I agree Busquets is class, it's just I'd ram him through 3 brick walls if I had the chance
Kilmarnock.
He's a knowledgeable poster, with an annoying hard on for Busquets
Oh dear.
yeah, we all must support the biggest teams in the world. Otherwise what's the point right?
yeah, we all must support the biggest teams in the world. Otherwise what's the point right?
You don't live in 'The Scheme' too do you, son?
You don't live in 'The Scheme' too do you, son?
my home town is about 7 miles from there but no i'm not from The Scheme.live in Glasgow, Kilmarnock were the closest team to my town so that was good enough for me. Either that or follow the crowd and support Rangers or Celtic. I'd rather die a horrible death than involve myself with either of these horrible horrible teams.
live in Glasgow, Kilmarnock were the closest team to my town so that was good enough for me. Either that or follow the crowd and support Rangers or Celtic. I'd rather die a horrible death than involve myself with either of these horrible horrible teams.
Fair do's. I hate the old firm too. Most of my mates are Hearts fans so I go to a few games a Tynecastle now and then. But the SPL generally does nothing for me.
Out of interest, do you post on other football forums or did you just decide randomly that a United one would be the place for you (a Killie fan) to discuss all things football?
Don;t really want to highjack the thread but since you asked i do post on other forums, a kilmarnock one and the bbc 606. The United one i joined at the time of Darren Fletcher scape goat syndrome. I wanted to see what United fans really thought and i wanted to give my two pence.
The football forums alright though, and when at work i like to get my fix of football related banter, be it with the few collegues who share my passion, friends via email or posting on football forums.
Basquets is the exact opposite of a 'class act,' for crying out loud. He's pathetic. But he is, however, a fantastic player... But anything but a 'class act' though.
The problem is Franky didn't finish his thought... What he should of said was this:
"Barry's inclusion in the WC squad showed that he's better than Carrick in the English setup" - which to me in true.
Carrick's way of playing is nothing like England's way. England depends on harder central men who'll dig in and make tackles. Barry was Hargreaves' replacement. Carrick is a smart man's central midfielder, but England's system needs someone who's going to make tackles.
Carrick plays the space, intercepting passes, and playing balls from the back. England hasn't played like that since the early 90s. Hence Carrick's inability to get in the team and his lackluster performance in English games. They just don't currently compliment each other.
So Franky, if you amend your thought process a little bit, you'd be in fine arguing territory.
Kilmarnock.
He's a knowledgeable poster, with an annoying hard on for Busquets
Apart from when talking about Goalkeepers.
Gordon is not injury prone and is the best keeper in the league
And I can accept that if he was going for that, which is originally how I read the post, and then I read it again. If he was making the point about who is better for the England team, fair enough, there's an argument to support it, but unfortunately he stopped shot and just made a random comparison that doesn't reflect reality.
Carricks best work often goes unnoticed, he's not one who will grab a game but the scruff of the neck (although he has done a few times in Europe) but he's very intelligent and compliment his fellow midfielder very well. He's not a world beater by any means but he's very good. Our best midfielder for me.
Carrick is far from a water-carrier. The problem with Carrick is that he needs time and space to do what he's best at, and you're just not afforded that at the highest level. Busquets is a more refined version of Carrick, he can perform Carrick's role but he's also a much better thinker in tight situations, something Carrick struggles with.
Levy is a bit daft not to have just taken the 35 big ones and bought Meireles and parker and a few others. Modric looks like he is doing what Torres did at Liverpool last season by stagnating the whole place
Totally agree
Carrick basically sacrifices himself for the United team. He runs the team from the back, tackling passing and moving all the time. He is great at his job and clearly Fergie knows what job he wants Carrick to do and he must do it well. A lot of short sighted football fans will dismiss Carrick as useless and pointless, but other professional footballers, managers and coaches won't. At the moment our team is bang on form the way it is but as a United fan I feel lucky that on the bench we have Carrick waiting to do a job for us when this form tapers off a little.
Bullshit. When Carrick is at his best he is very noticeable. His return to proper form last term was classic proof.
When he's at his best he is very noticeable, like I even mentioned in that post he's capable of dominating games but that's not really why he's in the team is it? He doesn't do it often enough for us to say thats his "best work".
His most consistent and in my opinion his standout attributes are mainly defensive, his ability to provide our defence with a shield through his clever reading of the game is really what sets him apart from our other midfielders.
Even at the start of this season we've looked vulnerable from opposition midfielders finding space between our midfield and defence, and if Carrick was playing I don't think it would be as easy to get in behind our midfield. (That's not a criticism as Ando and Cleverley have both done brilliantly especially as they're two naturally attacking midfielders).
In his playing position, by default, if he plays his best he will dominate the game tbf. It's only when his team mates let him down like in that final vs Barca that he doesn't shine even at his best. The issue we've had with him though is he had an extended period of under performing which he thankfully rectified last season. A period that gave him this reputation of being unable to run things. Which is the antithesis of what he was at Spurs and was for us in his brilliant second season at OT, when he helped us win in Europe.
Which is the one myth that annoys me. Carrick is superb at attacking and is just decent at defending. Every time he is own form he proves this. He just hadn't been in top form for over a year and a half and people started claiming his strengths lie more in defensive play which couldn't be further from the truth. As was shown when he returned to form last season. His attacking play far surpassed his defensive contribution (i.e vs Chelsea in the later part of the season). This season if he keeps that form and gets to play with the energy of Ando, Cleverly or the returning Fletcher, in front of him, we will see him have one of his best years for us. Personally I'm looking forward to it happening. I had badly missed the real Carrick and had started to hate the imposter we had on our books.
Levy looks to have stood by his word. Fair play for that.
I'm not trying to say Carrick is a pure defensive midfielder, if anything he's a hybrid between a defensive midfielder and a playmaker. He doesn't really excel at either but he's bloody good at both.
I just think his defensively he's been very consistent for the last couple of years whereas he's only started to dominate games for us again in the last couple of months of last season. That's the reason I think his defensive work is better than his attacking work.
Yeah I'm positive about Carrick this season too, although Cleverley and Anderson have started brilliantly we're always going to need an experienced calm head in midfield at some point and this is what Carrick can provide. I like the fact that barring maybe Fletcher he's able to play next to anyone in midfield with relative ease.
The Anderson and Carrick combo is the one I'm most looking forward to seeing, they showed signs of being class together last season so with Anderson looking like he's kicked on and Carrick stringing his attacking game back together we could be in for a treat.
But yeah, Luka Modric.
Levy's ego may still be intact but his club is suffering because of it.
Only temporarily, it will pass after the window closes. As I've said before on this subject: short-term pain for long-term gain.
And what about Chelski? The fruitless pursuit of Modric has buggered up their transfer window.
Surely you need funds though to strengthen your team? I notice Harrys starting to bring in some younger players, you think they'll step up?
Wouldn't say it's buggered it up - they got Lukaku, Mata, and may yet get the Porto right back and now Pereira.
As with all clubs, there are a number of deals simmering at any one time.