A people's Revolution
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China and Russia veto UN resolution on Syria - Middle East - Al Jazeera English
It's unsurprising that China and Russia would oppose any government's crackdown on pro-democracy protestors. If they did, it would mean they couldn't use force against their own people when they get restless, a la 1989. Hell, the Russian people probably support the violent response to protests simply because it upsets the West, which is part of the reason many seem to like Putin so much. Being independent, no matter how oppressive, is better than being America's lapdog.
Admittedly, the US has done very little with regards to Syria. Even a SC resolution is pretty pointless without some teeth, which Russia and China would always oppose. France has apparently warned the Syrian government against interfering with protests in France after Syrian embassy workers apparently harassed protestors in Paris.
It's unsurprising that China and Russia would oppose any government's crackdown on pro-democracy protestors. If they did, it would mean they couldn't use force against their own people when they get restless, a la 1989. Hell, the Russian people probably support the violent response to protests simply because it upsets the West, which is part of the reason many seem to like Putin so much. Being independent, no matter how oppressive, is better than being America's lapdog.
Admittedly, the US has done very little with regards to Syria. Even a SC resolution is pretty pointless without some teeth, which Russia and China would always oppose. France has apparently warned the Syrian government against interfering with protests in France after Syrian embassy workers apparently harassed protestors in Paris.
Maybe she knows how it feels now when she vetos human rights condemnations on behalf of her country's allies. Sorry Matt but the US can't exactly take the moral high ground here.
Its tragic though whats happening in Syria, but I fear Assad will be encouraged with his old man's violent methods to contain the uprisings which were successful .Ge may wish to replicate that.
So Russia, China and the four abstaining countries (Brazil, India, South Africa and Lebanon), all supportive of the Palestinian UN acrobatics because unlike the evil US they're beacons of human rights and democracy.
Sheer joy that the UN SC can't even agree on condemnation of a brutal massacre in Syria, eh RK? I know (and often share) your criticism of the US, but it's your people that are being massacred there yet you seem to revel in the West's diplomatic defeat.
Sheer joy that the UN SC can't even agree on condemnation of a brutal massacre in Syria, eh RK? I know (and often share) your criticism of the US, but it's your people that are being massacred there yet you seem to revel in the West's diplomatic defeat.
I'm not reveling in anything HR. I want Assad overthrown as much as these protestors do, and I can wish for nothing more than a democratic and prosperous Syria. Of course the veto from the Chinese and Russians was as Matt put it, a way to prevent a precedence being set which could embarrass them considering their less-than-favourable human rights records at home.
I'm just finding it slightly amusing that the US of all people are the ones outraged by the veto, the same nation which has probably exercised the veto more than all the other nations put together for their own agenda-driven reasons, including clear human rights violations.
I'm not sure that's the motive. After all, the Chinese and Russians can not be "embarrassed" because their veto rights mean that condemning them is a non-starter. With the circus that the UN SC is, the latest veto is just another chapter in the spiting game between the West and the rest.
Mind you, blaming the superpowers for hypocrisy is somewhat, erm... hypocritical if you then use UN SC resolutions of your choice as some kind of moral or political compass.
The hypocrisy stems from the fact that the Yanks are outraged at other nations having the audacity to use the veto to prevent passing a resolution that benefits them indirectly, regardless of what you think of the UNSC.
How does condemning Assad benefits the Yanks? What are the likely consequences of just another pointless UN condemnation?
We use it when it suits us, like things concerning Israel, but I don't necessarily agree with the consistent support of Israel when they continually try to make things difficult. The rest of the West has been in an uproar over this since it's a pretty simple resolution, unless I missed some NFZ-type stuff hidden in it. Then again, the Turks get pissed when you mention their genocide against the Armenians. So nothing in the SC is actually simple.
Reports of clashes in Cairo between the Copts and security forces, apparently after a church was torched in Southrn Egypt. 17 dead so far.
At least 19 dead so far apparently.
Between cops and security forces? O.o
Coptic Christians.
All Egyptians are Copts to be fair.
Mubarak's legacy..Poverty, ignorance , corruption including a corrupt army.
Trying to repeat the 1954 coup d'etat by instigating violence and sectarian clashes.
I was there ,later though after it all kicked off , standing with both Muslims and Christians. feck SCAF. We will go through all this inshallah. This is not the goddamn 50's, it's the information age idiots
Trying to repeat the 1954 coup d'etat by instigating violence and sectarian clashes.
I was there ,later though after it all kicked off , standing with both Muslims and Christians. feck SCAF. We will go through all this inshallah. This is not the goddamn 50's, it's the information age idiots
It's all the Colonialists', the Zionists', the Yanks', Mubarak's fault. This keeps repeating itself. Your revolution will be through when you face your own trouble honsetly instead of placing the blame on the demon of the hour.
He's right though. I know you sorely miss Mubarak but despite his overthrowal his legacy still very much lives on within major Egyptian institutions.
How is Mubarak's legacy different from those of his predecessors? Do I also miss them? Was Egypt a modern, free, prosperous country before? You get the same bollox from hundreds of millions of people who refuse to take a look at the mirror.
WHAT THE feck are you on exactly? Am saying he left us corruption, poverty and ignorance. Wasn't he in power for 30 yrs smartass
Pay attention to your beloved racist apartheid country and mind your own business. By the way, Did Israel really nominate Mubarak for a prize ? Sums things up !!
You bet your arse the Copts would have loved to be subjected to Israeli-type apartheid.
Enjoy springtime, and cut the verbal abuse and anti-Israeli sentiment. They're Mubarak's legacy.
Nearly 93,000 Coptic Christians have left Egypt since 19 March, a report by an Egypt-based Coptic NGO has said.
The number may increase to 250,000 by the end of 2011, according to Naguib Gabriel, the head of the Egyptian Federation of Human Rights, which released the report.
The current trend of Coptic immigration endangers the structure of Egypt's population, Gabriel told Al-Masry Al-Youm on Sunday. He urged the ruling Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF) and the Egyptian cabinet to work on curbing the phenomenon.
http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/499187
Not sure this report supports the "Mubarak's legacy" argument, Avatar.
The number may increase to 250,000 by the end of 2011, according to Naguib Gabriel, the head of the Egyptian Federation of Human Rights, which released the report.
The current trend of Coptic immigration endangers the structure of Egypt's population, Gabriel told Al-Masry Al-Youm on Sunday. He urged the ruling Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF) and the Egyptian cabinet to work on curbing the phenomenon.
http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/499187
Not sure this report supports the "Mubarak's legacy" argument, Avatar.
Because his predecessors were actually respected by the Egyptian people. Take Nasser for example, I know he was Israel's bogeyman but you have to admire how he modernised Egypt, introduced a whole plethora of social services and kept extremists at bay. Heck when he resigned he was essentially forced back into power by his own people. If you don't believe me then watch the clip of his funeral where some 7 million people turned up to mourn for him.
Compare that to Mubarak who's universally despised by his people, Muslim and Coptic alike, has burdened the country with enormous amounts of debt and has essentially turned Egypt into his own personal playground, descending much of the nation into absolute poverty. From an Israeli point of view though its obvious to see why he would be preferred.
(Yes I know I missed out Sadat, but we all know what happened to him)
Mubarak's regime was pretty crap compared with Western standards, but I'm not sure it fares badly compraed with what one would expect Egypt to be like if it was someone else taking charge following Sa'adat's assassination.
I'm not sure what personal wealth Nasser boasted- perhaps he wasn't as corrupt as Mubarak but I'm sure his regime couldn't compare with Western standards too.Nevertheless, Nasser led Egypt (together with Jordan and Syria, joining that Pan-Arab illusion) to their most humiliating episose since 1948, with esimated Egyptian death toll of some 10,000 during six days in 1967 (Wiki estimates, and I'd add his share of the blame for the inevitable following war even though that started after his death). The hero status Nasser enjoyed is not anything to be proud of, imo.
That's not what Blair, Obama and even you lot seem to have thought, heck you guys are voting him personality of the year
Lets be honest, Mubarak was bad for Egypt, but good for the West and Israel, and that means the latter precedes the former.
Nasser's Egypt was heaps more secular than any of the West's allies in the region, that includes today. In fact, the defeat of secular Pan-Arabism was what left a gaping hole which was eventually filled by religious extremists. And I don't think the defeat of 67 tarnished his reputation as much you'd like to think - his resignation was almost unanimously rejected throughout the Arab world even after the defeat.
That's not what Blair, Obama and even you lot seem to have thought, heck you guys are voting him personality of the year
Lets be honest, Mubarak was bad for Egypt, but good for the West and Israel, and that means the latter precedes the former.
I don't know anything about the "personality of the year" thing. Does that have anything to do with the "prize" Avatar was harping about?
Anyway, I think I have made my opinion of Mubarak clear before. He's was a two-faced cnut, which apparently followed his regional commrades and robbed a chunk of his nation's wealth. What you can't take away from him is that by contributing to ME stability over 30 years he saved thousands of Egyptian lives compared with your choice of Egyptian leaders.
I did not suggest that I knew the extent to which Nasser's reputation was tarnished after 1967. On the contrary, I claimed that the fact he was still popular after the disaster to which he led his country and the Arab world is nothing to be proud of. What Egypt and the Arab world might profit from is promoting ideals other than fighting a common outside evil.
This list sheds light on one of Nasser's practices of gaining Pan-Arab popularity. In a sense, he was a rock star.
You bet your arse the Copts would have loved to be subjected to Israeli-type apartheid.
Enjoy springtime, and cut the verbal abuse and anti-Israeli sentiment. They're Mubarak's legacy.
Egypt is recovering from decades of tyranny. We haven't practiced democracy ever. Anyone would expect that. No excuse but expected. Israel has been democratic for decades , yet Racism and fanaticism is on the rise. What other proof do you need when your own elected government is formed of far right religious lunatics. Not just that , and how to maintain your security? Segregate Palestinians in impoverished ghettos , aka Apartheid...in the 21st century!!!
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Well on all the clips I've seen on telly then eveyone's shouting Allahu Akbar (hoping that's right), so presumably the music will be along those lines too.
Not sure why the West are in favour of this religious bollocks, but hey, the pilots have to be paid anyway, and manufacturer's will go bust unless a few orders for replacement bombs are put in, so I don't suppose it matters.
Not sure why the West are in favour of this religious bollocks, but hey, the pilots have to be paid anyway, and manufacturer's will go bust unless a few orders for replacement bombs are put in, so I don't suppose it matters.
Decent program on Al Jazeera regarding the current troubles, with Coptic Christian leader invited to give his POV.
I wish you a speedy recovery, because you still have a lot of catching up to do.
The last I heard Egypt was flooding the Rafah tunnels, through which the poor Palestinians were trying to get basig supplies to their ghetto. And that was during spring too. Mubarak's legacy again, I suppose?
Still, if you fancy a better life you could try apartheid next door at:
Maantech
I'm a tad confused by this..you don't think, after 30 years of rule, Mubarak has left a legacy on the country?
Hmmm, I honestly didn't give the Syrian thing any thought, I assumed Assad would be so brutal and direct in his action, all opposition would be wiped out(assuming he learned from Mubarak, and more importantly Gaddafi). But it seems there is a very real, and credible opposition building up against him.
...Libya again....
I haven't really paid very much attention to the situation in Egypt after the "revolution", can anyone fill me in on what's going on at the moment? Obviously things aren't going as smoothly as everyone hoped they would.
Things continue to slowly escalate, and the 'opposition' grows bolder by the day.