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So he did go to Brazil.

I wonder if the "you can't believe anything you read in the press ever" gimps will change their stance now?

The content of the interview isn't too controversial but there is a similarity with what Nani said earlier when he seems to mistakenly think his performances were good enough to merit more games than he got. I also hope he cleared it with SAF first, or he'll be in the dog house - which is the last thing we need right now.
 
If he doesn't give him an outing tonight I don't know when he will because I can't see Fergie rewarding him with a CC final.

Some of that was crap about his not being a machine and can't give 100% in every game. Is he different than the other players?

I really hope he comes out guns blazing when he gets back in because he'd be a huge boost for us on form.
 
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I'm a huge fan of anderson at his best!

However, what is odd about this interview is that he says its not possible to perform 100% in each game - yet is annoyed about not being involved in all the games.

1. it should be possible to perform 100% in the few games in which you're picked. The point is not that you perform 100% in every game - nobody can do that. However, if you don't perform to at least 70% then there can be few complaints when you are not chosen again.

2. the whole point of not being chosen is getting yourself ready. Anderson is a fighter and usually will go out to prove everybody wrong. if you're only playing a few games and don't perform in those few games then you can't blame that on the fact that you are not playing. Two years ago he wasn't playing and he came on to replace scholes in a game against wigan and took the game by the scruff of the neck - and subsequent games against liverpool and arsenal to name but a few.

3. is he really taking responsibility for those poor performances? I'm not sure.


Let's hope he sorts his head out!



Tx
 
Straight from the horses mouth. Its been pretty evident of late that if a story is reported repeatedly on a lot of media fronts, there's a good chance that it might be true which is the case here as well.

As for anderson, bit of a strange interview that. Not quite sure what to make of it.
 
Yeah I agree.

Personally I don't think SAF has any intention of letting Anderson go. he'll give him 2 more years and see where he goes from there.

Guys - I remember groaning at Fletcher and O'Shea a number of years ago when they were 23 & 24+. They couldn't control the ball, kept giving it away and generally did not look like Manchester United quality.

Everyone can see that Anderson IS Manchester United quality if he can get his game together.

We'll see! Tx
 
tintedsepia said:
Yeah I agree.

Personally I don't think SAF has any intention of letting Anderson go. he'll give him 2 more years and see where he goes from there.

Guys - I remember groaning at Fletcher and O'Shea a number of years ago when they were 23 & 24+. They couldn't control the ball, kept giving it away and generally did not look like Manchester United quality.

Everyone can see that Anderson IS Manchester United quality if he can get his game together.

We'll see! Tx
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Actually O'Shea in 2002/2003 had tremendous technique..
 
Pogue Mahone said:
So he did go to Brazil.

I wonder if the "you can't believe anything you read in the press ever" gimps will change their stance now?

The content of the interview isn't too controversial but there is a similarity with what Nani said earlier when he seems to mistakenly think his performances were good enough to merit more games than he got. I also hope he cleared it with SAF first, or he'll be in the dog house - which is the last thing we need right now.
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Interesting how you call the sensible folk gimps ain't it pogue. That's basically because you're a twat.

How do you know he didn't tell Sir Alex? The conversations would have been before and after and are private. Wouldn't they. So you cannot tell anyone that he didn't ask permission or that he didn't mention it to Sir Alex prior.

You don't know so I guess you'll have to wait for the autobiography won't you...You believed a story with him, that he was negotiating and here he says he he was just having a friendly conversation, and you call people gimps? Your a dick and not half as clever as some gimps on here....

A twatingdick if you will
 
He deserve his place at the far end of the pecking order, I mean Carrick, Scholes and Fletcher had all played better then him. If he feels that he deserves better then he should leave. We had lived without Ronaldo (who unlike Anderson is a world class player), we can live without Anderson too.
 
Striker10 said:
Interesting how you call the sensible folk gimps ain't it pogue. That's basically because you're a twat.

How do you know he didn't tell Sir Alex? The conversations would have been before and after and are private. Wouldn't they. So you cannot tell anyone that he didn't ask permission or that he didn't mention it to Sir Alex prior.

You don't know so I guess you'll have to wait for the autobiography won't you...You believed a story with him, that he was negotiating and here he says he he was just having a friendly conversation, and you call people gimps? Your a dick and not half as clever as some gimps on here....
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Hold on a second...

Why are you posting in this thread?

The interview's only been published in the daily mail so far. Shouldn't you wait until you've seen the interview on MUTV before believing any of it?

Oh and the bit about me believing a story he was "negotiating"? What do you mean by that? I've never said anything of the sort. If I have, quote me.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Hold on a second...

Why are you posting in this thread?

The interview's only been published in the daily mail so far. Shouldn't you wait until you've seen the interview on MUTV before believing any of it?
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Listen, you don't plan to post anywhere but when a turd turns up in your back garden you deal with it. I would have said nothing, except you have an amazing ability to carry anger with you. Shouldn't you be able to deal with your issues better? What made you wait, jump on a story just to call people gimps which for you, was probably the only reason for posting....

negotiating

It's subliminal.

You chose to believe the story. You don't have to say, "he was negotiating". . What you didn't say was, 'he was not negotiating. I don't believe that'. You never openly stated what you thought was true and what wasn't and so by implication you allow people to adopt hearsay

I just don't see how you could believe a story like that and say he wasn't in talks with other clubs when the papers tried to make out he was
 
Striker10 said:
negotiating

It's subliminal.

You chose to believe the story. You don't have to say, "he was negotiating". . What you didn't say was, 'he was not negotiating. I don't believe that'. You never openly stated what you thought was true and what wasn't and so by implication you allow people to adopt hearsay

I just don't see how you could believe a story like that and say he wasn't in talks with other clubs when the papers tried to make out he was
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In other words, "No Pogue, you never at any point claimed or even alluded to Anderson being in negotiation with other clubs. I got that bit completely wrong"

Thanks for that. No apology needed.
 
Have to say that I can see where he's coming from as he did have a few really good games at the beginning of the season but would then be left out in the following games.

By the same token, I can see where Sir Alex is coming from when he says that Anderson has to offer more effort as the games he has played badly he has been anonymous with absolutely no mark on the game at all. If he could learn to apply himself in the way that Fletcher does*, where he gives 100% every game regardless, then he'd be a huge player for us as he's clearly got all the talent in the World.

It's a little bit of immaturity/inexperience in how to deal with life as a United player, quite simply Ferguson won't let any player play every game in a season as he wants them to be fresh for the run-in knowing that United are likely to be there or thereabouts. The top level clubs will play between 60-70 games a season whereas others will be lucky to hit 50. Unless you're a Rooney, most players in our squad will play around 35-50 games(dependent on injury/suspension) which is a pretty good return. Anderson should have a realistic target of 40 games, aiming higher if he is on form.

Granted he's young, enthusiastic and wants to be involved every week and I suppose it's a positive that he is hurt by not being in the side. Nani had a similar gripe earlier in the season and he managed to prove himself in recent, fingers crossed Nani can keep it up an Anderson can have a similar impact. We should look upon this as a positive and get behind the lad.

We may be seeing a change in the way teams operate their squad rotation as even Scholes mentioned in recent weeks that he struggles to play every second week. It's a tricky one as Ferguson does what's best for the team and has to deal with different systems/formations whilst keeping a large squad of talented players happy. This problem is magnified in a World Cup year with so many players in our squad capable of being selected for their countries if they're getting games and performing well. You can understand the frustration and the lack of composure at times (think Owen when he comes on) from certain players who know they are not just playing for United but a place at the World Cup, with every misplaced pass or mistimed shot under scrutiny.

*I'm not suggesting that I want to see him mimic what Fletcher does for the team, but there's never a point when you can say that Fletcher genuinely hasn't given his all, Andeson is the exact opposite at times which is the frustrating element of his game.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
In other words, "No Pogue, you never at any point claimed or even alluded to Anderson being in negotiation with other clubs. I got that bit completely wrong"

Thanks for that. No apology needed.
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Seriously, if you need counseling i am qualified and unlike you, I do have ample time :p......

If you think i'm reading this entire thread, your out of your mind. If someone says they spent the night with your wife, I think they'd say 'but we didn't feck' if there was something they wanted to stress. With the lyon rumors, it would seem natural. Maybe your willing to find out where you said you don't believe them? It would save a lot of time

Hey, I can't be prejudiced and pick out parts on your behalf and say he believes that but not that. I just can't do that
 
devilinho89 said:
I was at a Charity event at Carrington last week with Denis Irwin present for a training session & q & a.

Irwin confirmed that Nani was never injured during his break over the festive period, he also confirmed that when pressure mounts on young players he likes to give them time to themselves, if he believes the player has the potential the gaffer will hold onto them until he brings it out.

He confirmed that the same is happening with Anderson. I wouldn't read into much in the press.

I was surprised at how open Irwin was in the q & a but look at what wonders it has done for Nani, lets hope he continues when he comes back from suspension and lets hope the same is with Anderson.
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Posted in the newbies a little while ago.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
So he did go to Brazil.

I wonder if the "you can't believe anything you read in the press ever" gimps will change their stance now?

The content of the interview isn't too controversial but there is a similarity with what Nani said earlier when he seems to mistakenly think his performances were good enough to merit more games than he got. I also hope he cleared it with SAF first, or he'll be in the dog house - which is the last thing we need right now.
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I think that's a bit harsh, many have said that they are skeptical, not that you cannot ever trust another news source.

Plus, we still know next to jack shit about what's really going on. He could have been cleared, he may have been told to take a rest, get his head clear, he might have run out of training and jumped on the nearest flight, we don't know. The interview only addresses where he is and his thoughts on his game, not the reason why he is there.
 
I don't believe the bit about Nani not being injured. He wouldn't have missed a months training for nothing. Ben Hibbs confirmed that he returned to training 10-14 days before he reappeared in the first team.
 
RonaldoVII said:
I don't believe the bit about Nani not being injured. He wouldn't have missed a months training for nothing. Ben Hibbs confirmed that he returned to training 10-14 days before he reappeared in the first team.
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It wouldn't have been for nothing though, it would be so he could clear his head and think things through. He's done the same before with Ronaldo, and many others I'm sure.
 
Yeah, it makes as much sense as dropping him completely for either no reason, or to sell him in the summer. I sincerely hope that is the case, and considering we had players coming back from injury and suspension, it would have made sense to offer him a break, or at the very least, to take some of the pressure off.

I'll remain optimistic!
 
Hectic said:
I think that's a bit harsh, many have said that they are skeptical, not that you cannot ever trust another news source.

Plus, we still know next to jack shit about what's really going on. He could have been cleared, he may have been told to take a rest, get his head clear, he might have run out of training and jumped on the nearest flight, we don't know. The interview only addresses where he is and his thoughts on his game, not the reason why he is there.
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There's loads of unknowns still, I agree.

It was frustrating, though, when you had a wide range of media sources reporting that Anderson was in Brazil - including quotes from a manager he met with over there - but the usual suspects were insisting that none of this was true, that you can't believe anything you ever read in the press and that the only reliable source of information is MUTV (:rolleyes:) These same people always lap up anything positive about players/the club, no matter where it's published.

It was that kind of head in the sand attitude I was referring to when I mentioned "gimps", not those who were skeptical about some of the more outlandish rumours (I don't personally think SAF was seriously considering sending him on loan, never mind going as far as entering discussions with Lyon)
 
Hectic said:
Yeah, it makes as much sense as dropping him completely for either no reason, or to sell him in the summer. I sincerely hope that is the case, and considering we had players coming back from injury and suspension, it would have made sense to offer him a break, or at the very least, to take some of the pressure off.

I'll remain optimistic!
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He could have been dropped for going to Brazil without permission and/or not turning up to training sessions. I don't think this is any more or less likely than the optimistic interpretation you're sticking with.

All we know for sure - based on this interview - is that Anderson has not been happy about the amount of games he's played this season, that he's worried about not making the WC and that SAF has asked him to put in more effort.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
There's loads of unknowns still, I agree.

It was frustrating, though, when you had a wide range of media sources reporting that Anderson was in Brazil - including quotes from a manager he met with over there - but the usual suspects were insisting that none of this was true, that you can't believe anything you ever read in the press and that the only reliable source of information is MUTV (:rolleyes:) These same people always lap up anything positive about players/the club, no matter where it's published.

It was that kind of head in the sand attitude I was referring to when I mentioned "gimps", not those who were skeptical about some of the more outlandish rumours (I don't personally think SAF was seriously considering sending him on loan, never mind going as far as entering discussions with Lyon)
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Fair enough, I'm probably guilty for not reading through enough of this thread. Do you think he will stay with us?

Pogue Mahone said:
These same people always lap up anything positive about players/the club, no matter where it's published.
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This I can certainly understand, and in that sense, there are a lot of supporters who tend to overlook the rest, but focus on the positive, regardless of the outlet. Plus MUTV have had more then their share of ridiculous stories in the past, which should not be forgotten.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
All we know for sure - based on this interview - is that Anderson has not been happy about the amount of games he's played this season, that he's worried about not making the WC and that SAF has asked him to put in more effort.
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That's healthy from both sides, Anderson should be able to see there is only one solution that will answer all of the above problems, and that's a return back to form.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
There's loads of unknowns still, I agree.

It was frustrating, though, when you had a wide range of media sources reporting that Anderson was in Brazil - including quotes from a manager he met with over there - but the usual suspects were insisting that none of this was true, that you can't believe anything you ever read in the press and that the only reliable source of information is MUTV (:rolleyes:) These same people always lap up anything positive about players/the club, no matter where it's published.

It was that kind of head in the sand attitude I was referring to when I mentioned "gimps", not those who were skeptical about some of the more outlandish rumours (I don't personally think SAF was seriously considering sending him on loan, never mind going as far as entering discussions with Lyon)
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This is just typical of you. No one said you were wrong. Your the biggest asshole on the site. You WANTED to be right. well why is that important to you?

What we have here is yes Anderson was in Brazil but as hectic pointed out, we don't know much more unless you look into what that newbie said with regards dennis irwin. There is no reason not to believe that.

I suggest you stop making generalizations. Even if you think the mutv point was dumb, the fact remains you can't really trust ANYTHING unless it's from an official source ie the club

I just don't understand why you don't drop things. It's always about someone else with you. You can't say I shouldn't have said that and being a shrink I find the order of your initial post interesting

The problem is Carlos Tevez had quotes attibuted to him while he was at united, which Sir Alex denied on his behalf and therefore it's risky ground. If we take dennis words in into account, Andersons not playing because he needs to be fitter - rather then being told off by the club.

Anderson said as much in the interview you believe. He was told by Sir Alex.

"I always had a good relation with Ferguson. He has asked me for more effort and I accept that, but I need more chances to play in the first team.”

As a lot of people stated at the time, and he's not featured because he needs to get into shape.
 
Hectic said:
Fair enough, I'm probably guilty for not reading through enough of this thread. Do you think he will stay with us?
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I think we'd be mad to let him go, unless he forced our hand. In another two or three years he could be a really top class footballer.

I do worry when you hear about a young player who is impatient about his lack of opportunities when they're not playing well enough to feature any more than they already are. This can be the beginning of the end of their United career. This is a much bigger problem when they don't have any real ties with the league we play in (e.g. Rossi, Pique) IMO.

Having said that, the aging limbs of Scholes/Giggs and Hargreaves' creaking knees means there's definitely a place or two up for grabs in central midfield so we're not asking Anderson to be as patient as we expected those two to be. There's a real opportunity for him to establish himself as a regular first-teamer, it's up to him to grab it if he wants it badly enough. Either that or be a bit more patient, work his balls off in training and take a more long-term view.
 
Let's not take this thread in that direction.

We really can't comment, apart from speculation, on why he is there, or what will happen when he returns, so there is no right or wrong here, just talk.

Anyway, if he comes back and returns to form, lets not look back and point fingers, people are allowed to speculate, even if that speculation leans towards a negative outcome. On the other hand, if he ends up parting, then those who dismissed these reports are not idiots either, just people who aren't willing to accept or discuss something until it's official.

It's a very pointless argument.
 
Im just waiting for it all to click with him. Wouldnt surprise me if he gave one of his all action shits on Arsenal type performances. What he needs to do is contribute more on his off days. That was one of Keanes greatest traits, on a bad day he was still usually one our top 3 players.
 
Look at the Ronaldo saga from when reports first came about him 'looking to sign for Madrid', when he was 20-21. Year after year I would argue the reports were bullshit, he wouldn't go, many disagreed with me, claiming that each year would be his last. I was right. Then the same thing came around last year, same old argument from me, except I was wrong, he did go. Posters from both sides of the argument were both right and wrong, but nearly everybody came out looking stupid.

This is similar to that, but only half-way through the saga.
 
yes and no. I reckon it might get there oneday but this is all coming about because he's not playing. I think if he was, we wouldn't be reading anything and the thing with Anderson, he 'seems' to have more respect for the club/fans then Ronaldo did

Hopefully that continues but you never know
 
I'm not saying his situation and Ronaldo's are really that similar, they aren't, but our behaviour and ability to talk about a situation, really hasn't changed since those days.
 
Hectic said:
Look at the Ronaldo saga from when reports first came about him 'looking to sign for Madrid', when he was 20-21. Year after year I would argue the reports were bullshit, he wouldn't go, many disagreed with me, claiming that each year would be his last. I was right. Then the same thing came around last year, same old argument from me, except I was wrong, he did go. Posters from both sides of the argument were both right and wrong, but nearly everybody came out looking stupid.

This is similar to that, but only half-way through the saga.
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Hindsight has that effect on people, which is why i hate when threaded are bumped to boast about being right or someone taking the mic of his/her prediction.

Like here, fine Anderson did go to Brazil but we dont know why he went - if it was with (ie have a break) or without the clubs blessing (ie im leaving to find another club) but regardless hes talking about wanting to prove his worth with us so thats good enough for me
 
Hectic said:
Posted in the newbies a little while ago.
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Steve McMahon, the former Liverpool guy was doing a show here beginning of Feb. Alluding to Nani's form, he went onto say that he met Bryan Robson who told him that Nani had really put his head down starting December and pushed himself to fit into the "United way and ethic" after which SAF rewarded him and its reaping benefits.

I won't be surprised if the same thing will be happening to Anderson. Whether it will work out, I don't know. Definitely not going to be sold in the near future.
 
Nani's run of form was all down to him playing on the right. He has always been in excellent physical condition.

Anderson was overweight, but seemed to have shed some of the excess judging by his reserve's appearance, and now hopefully, with our 3 man midfield being used in alot games, Anderson can play in his favoured position, and may turn out a nice run of form like Nani produced.

I'm trying to remain as optimistic as I can be, but I will not be suprised if hes gone in the summer. And if so, step forward Cleverley.
 
Boss said:
How a youngster, at the greatest club in the world confess to not giving 100% in games, surprised one is not giving 200%, that's really pathetic if he said that.
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I think/hope that's been slightly lost in translation and he's talking about his level of performance, rather than level of effort.

We should expect 100% effort from him in every game but we can't expect his performance to be at it's maximum in every game. We don't get it from the more senior players in the squad, so we definitely shouldn''t expect it from the youngsters.
 
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