Of course they can. yhpm.
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Of course they can. yhpm.
This must be the most knee jerk thread on the caf
If your definition of chronically out shape is a player is someone that can't often finish games playing at very high pace - then yeah that's Anderson and a lot of other good players.
And where do you get that his heart is not into football? When watching him play do you think gives anything less than full effort and couldn't be asked to be out there? Do you have behind the scenes access to him that lets you come to that conclusion?
He is good enough to do a job at United - even if he is on our books and you believe that the only reason he hasn't been offloaded is because of how much money the club want for him stops him from being sold, that he plays for United in games that matter surely means he is good enough for United. If he wasn't then SAF is not going to play him just because he is on the books, he isn't going to include him in a crucial CL game and bring him on if he isn't good enough for United.
Anderson clearly can't finish games strongly the way he plays currently, that is the only conclusion that can be reached. Stating as fact is because he doesn't care is well anything but, fact.
That's the 3rd time in the week he has been quoted saying something similar. Who believes initial quotes were fake ? 
That's the 3rd time in the week he has been quoted saying something similar. Who believes initial quotes were fake ?
Sounds like he'd just being candid about his career to me, it's just common knowledge isn't it?
Great interview from Ando, I like his attitude.
That's the 3rd time in the week he has been quoted saying something similar. Who believes initial quotes were fake ?
If you are asking about the quotes about him wanting to leave, seeing as he refuted that notion, I tend to believe those quotes are fake or more likely deliberate misinterpretation.
Cant believe he's already been with us for six years. Hope he fully gets over his injuries and get his form back. He's a very good player. Superb at times too.
Excellent. Great to hear he's happy here. Just needs a bit of luck with injuries and the rest will come. Even his 'fitness issues' will be aided by a run of games, and honestly I don't see it as as big an issue as some here make out. His high-tempo style is always going to mean that he might struggle to see out games at full-throttle, but I haven't seen another player than can produce bursts of pace at such high intensity, with such regularity and last a full 90 apart from CR7.
“It is not true that I nearly left. Everyone knows I am happy at the club.
“I have had a lot of injuries but I have never let the smile go from my face. When I don’t have these problems, I know my quality. I know I can play.
“I have had a lot of injuries but I have never let the smile go from my face. When I don’t have these problems, I know my quality. I know I can play.
Nice interview Ando.
He is a very likable character, and I think every United fan just wants to will him on to do well for us.
Sadly I just don't think he offers us enough to sustain 40+ appearances in the team at the moment.
As he is still only 24, I would like to hope that he can hit his peak and improve on what he offers us at the moment.
what form back?
He has never shown any decent long run of form.
And dont give me he needs games bollox becasue if he was good enough or capable of playing a long run of games he would be in the 11 wouldnt he.
Im sick of hearing about potential and he is only 24, he is bang average as was Gibson and I expect he will be gone this summer or next summer.
Its clear we need midfield re-inforcements and he isnt it. People think that he plays for United therefore must be or just about be World Class, he is miles away from that.
He is 24, not 19, he is almost at his peak age of physical fitness. Do we develop and nurture a player for 10 years in the hope that when he is 28 he will be the finsished article and give 2 good seasons.Is that a good return.
When are we supposed to see this mercurial talent that so much effort has gone into developing.
Just sell him at this stage and stop wasting time.
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Anderson is a much better player than Gibson was for us. Anderson has shown that he is good enough to be in our first eleven. Just look towards earlier this season when he was fit for a while most people were saying they would keep anderson over cleverley in one thread.
He just can't stay fit that is the problem, not his talent. Each time he works his way into the first team he then gets injured and set back to square one and everyone gets on his back again.
Anderson clearly has talent and potential to be a very good player.
Still think it's wishful thinking to believe he will become a cornerstone at United, but it's understandable that people have hope.
Has Van Persie ever had such a consistent and effective period like the last 18 months? Genuine question. If he hasn't, and he was able to now, at the wrong side of his twenties, then certainly other players can as well. It just doesn't seem very likely, but it's clearly possible if the talent and skill are there.
Still think it's wishful thinking to believe he will become a cornerstone at United, but it's understandable that people have hope.
Has Van Persie ever had such a consistent and effective period like the last 18 months? Genuine question. If he hasn't, and he was able to now, at the wrong side of his twenties, then certainly other players can as well. It just doesn't seem very likely, but it's clearly possible if the talent and skill are there.
Not really sure why everyone compares RvP though. When not injured he had very high fitness levels, started most games for Arsenal and was generally superb for them. He's always been a fantastic player, he just didn't get to show it as much while he was on the left/right and Henry was the main man. It's no coincidence that since his injuries have stopped he's become one of the best in the world.
It's nothing like the Anderson situation.
It's nothing like the Anderson situation.
That's just plain wrong. Just because RVP is a better player, doesn't mean their situations are/were quite similar. You also have to remember that Arsenal wasn't/isn't as good a team as United, so getting playing time was easier there than at United.
You are quite right that RVP is a better player, but how many strikers can you name that are better than him? Ando isn't at that level, but he has a great talent and can still become one of the best midfielders in the PL and a first choice starter for United, but probably he will not be one of the best in the world as many were hoping for.
OK, but to say that Anderson doesn't have talent is just ridiculous. He has great talent and has shown that on several occasions. Comparing him to Gibson who offered little to nothing is just
You can't be serious.....Anderson compared to Gibson? Anderson's biggest challenge is his niggling injuries. Take that away and he is one of our most talented midfielders. The only one there that can run with the ball and pulverise a mass of players. Gibson cannot clean Anderson's boots - they are not in the same echelon. Not in this life time.
And the way I feel too, about his haters.
How is it wrong? RvP was consistently playing at a high level when not injured and never struggled to finish games. Can you say the same about Anderson? Everyone knew RvP was already a top player who was just unlucky with injuries, nobody knows if Anderson will ever be a top player!
The play time thing is weird too, when not injured RvP would've been a guaranteed starter here too, because he was always good enough to be! he was always a class player, he just got injured quite a bit, it's not like he was this inconsistent injury prone player who showed glimpses of being a top player when he was 24/25. Anderson however is exactly that.
Im not getting into arguements about Anderson. I dont rate him.
6 seasons is enough for me to think if he hasn't made it by now he wont. He will always be a bit part player as was gibson, thats the comparison, not footballing wise as Gibson was fairly shit if we are all honest.
6 seasons is enough for me to think if he hasn't made it by now he wont. He will always be a bit part player as was gibson, thats the comparison, not footballing wise as Gibson was fairly shit if we are all honest.
fair enough, we all cant agree on everything all of the time.
5 goals in 6 seasons is not good enough for an attacking midfielder for me.
Some players more easily find their rythm after being out with injuries. Rooney gets playing time after being injured even though he is clearly shit for 4-6 matches. Ando isn't given those opportunities - partly because he is midfield and playing shit is more dire than if a striker plays shit, and partly because he isn't at Rooney's level or status yet.
Ando does show that he has a lot going for him when on form though, but it is as he admitted - he takes two steps forward then have to witness himself take three steps backwards.
RVP was quality before, now he is world class. Ando is promising now, he can be quality in the future, imo.
We've said that for five years.
I think the RvP and Ando comparisons are pointless. One was a great player waiting to be injury free, one has been a promising player who has yet to even show the quality we thought he would.
I actually can't think of any other youngster we've invested so much money in and given so much time to come good before. I strongly believe that if we weren't so thin in midfield for the last few years, he'd be gone by now. He'll probably still be here next season too if Fletcher and Scholes both retire.
He should really learn from this experience and when he takes two cakes from the shop he should think about what he is doing and take three back.
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Agreed on both points.
All the redcafe experts telling us to wait for his impending blooming talent to burst out and 6 seasons on we are still waiting.
Listen I hope he does, ill do a Cafe nominated forefit if he ever gets more than 10 goals a season for United.
The thing is that he has been getting the young player leeway for 6 years, but now he is a reaching a age where either he has to step up and become part of the main rotation consistently or leave. If not this summer, then the next one.
The other option is that we buy someone else and he accepts being 5th choice midfielder or something like that and being basically a backup player.
The other option is that we buy someone else and he accepts being 5th choice midfielder or something like that and being basically a backup player.
In my case, some ignorance I guess. For someone not following the Premier League very closely RvP has been a bit under the radar until his explosion last season. I guess it made me think he could represent some similarities with Anderson.
Hence it being a "genuine question".
Jesus that's a tough comparison for Ando
Named the laziest player in training by Rooney, Evans and Cleverley in the DHL google hangout.
(and one of the worst dressers at the club).
by Rooney, Evans and Cleverley in the DHL google hangout.(and one of the worst dressers at the club).
Well laziest player in training is hardly a surprise. He's class when he plays well but his fitness levels are atrocious.
I'm Always Right, do you still think Anderson is at optimum fitness?
Joking apart I don't think Anderson's issue is fitness, his stamina isn't up to playing in CM which requires a lot of long-distance running power rather than explosive bursts. I don't really know why you persist in playing him as a CM.
That's the 3rd time in the week he has been quoted saying something similar. Who believes initial quotes were fake ?
What did he say now, that agreed to what he said? He didn't once said he wants to quit or wanted to. He said he know he has the quality, and he wants to play. He knows he had lots of problems with injuries, but with the amount of quality in United you got to show at all times.
Nothing like the other interview.
Who on earth is comparing him to Gibson!
dear oh lore.
dear oh lore.
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