Think of the best attacking midfielders in the world, their touch, short passing, ability with both feet. Then think of Anderson. Do you still think there's not too much difference?
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Think of the best attacking midfielders in the world, their touch, short passing, ability with both feet. Then think of Anderson. Do you still think there's not too much difference?
Some of it has been, it's in his locker, but he loses the keys far too often.
If by locker you mean buried so deep like Davy jones locker
Anderson at 24 has absolutely no ability to control or dictate a game. He might learn it with time and patience, or he might just stay the same which would probably mean he'd be overlooked on a regular basis. Personally I think time is running out here, though it would be disappointing to see him go without ever having really made his mark on the club.
When we signed him it was the best in his age group. That is why we, AC Milan, Madrid and Barca all wanted him. It is us who tried to convert him into deeper midfielder, a process that has been severely hampered by his constant injury woes for the past 5 years.
To some extent there certainly is. However, his short passing is certainly better than Rooney's, isn't it? He is no Iniesta, that much is for sure. Then again, he has been converted away from that role anyhow. He was very promising when we signed him. Now he has added long passing to his repertoir, but he isn't as lethal as the very best, that is true.
Messi hardly ever uses his right foot though
I agree
Yep, I think converting him into whatever the hell he is now just ruined him here really. I said a few weeks ago that he doesn't actually pass the ball like a central midfielder, you can tell he wants to be playing higher up in a less restrictive role.
To be fair, you do only watch the first 60 minutes of games so you probably miss him getting subbed off all the time.
To be fair, you do only watch the first 60 minutes of games so you probably miss him getting subbed off all the time.
It's not just odd. It's dumb.
Trying to "convert" him as you guys have put it, aren't ruined his career to date
An inability to stay fit and consistent has held him back
An inability to stay fit and consistent has held him back
This.
Lots of players are good for their age group but times move on. His touch, passing and movement fall considerably short in comparison to other world class attacking midfielders. You can't be putting that down to the club. It's upto him to work on those skills.
No. He's better.
Possibly more consistent and certainly less injury prone. Definitely not better though, Ando when playing well is plenty better than Cleverley for me.
Which is irrelevant. We signed him as an attacking midfielder and proceeded to try and convert him into a deeper player. Because it isn't his natural role and injury problems, the conversion has been stop start and hap hazard.
That is because he is no longer one. Furthermore, his conversion is incomplete because he hasn't been fit consistently enough due to injury.
Yes you can if you are being harsh. That and injury. It was the clubs decision after all to convert him into a deeper lying midfielder, which is a already very hard conversion to make. Most especially when the player being converted keeps breaking down. Which could be due to the fact the role is one he simply didn't have the physique or style for in the first place , for all we know....
To be fair it's hard to work consistently on anything when you are always injured just as you begin to gain some form and fitness.
There is universal agreement that we have an underperforming asset, Ando, on our hands.
There is widespread agreement that Ando can be sold for little more than the footballing equivalent of peanuts.
There is also general consensus, at least here on the caf, that we would be wise to stock up on one or two central midfielders.
If we could look into the crystal ball and see a brilliant footballer in the making next season we'd be criminally daft to sell that player. But of course we can't know that. It's still a pretty good bet that Ando will be the same player he was this season and the previous five seasons before that. And if that is indeed a pretty good bet, we're all better off parting ways with Ando. He doesn't look like an inspired footballer in a United shirt. And we need players who rip their capes off the moment they walk on the pitch at Old Trafford.
There is widespread agreement that Ando can be sold for little more than the footballing equivalent of peanuts.
There is also general consensus, at least here on the caf, that we would be wise to stock up on one or two central midfielders.
If we could look into the crystal ball and see a brilliant footballer in the making next season we'd be criminally daft to sell that player. But of course we can't know that. It's still a pretty good bet that Ando will be the same player he was this season and the previous five seasons before that. And if that is indeed a pretty good bet, we're all better off parting ways with Ando. He doesn't look like an inspired footballer in a United shirt. And we need players who rip their capes off the moment they walk on the pitch at Old Trafford.
Haha, the king of multi quotes fails!
Thats the thing though, Ando playing well, happens about 1 in every 10 games. The rest he's just decent to crap.
Give me Cleverley anyday of the week.
I'm assuming that's sarcastic but anyway it just seems like he doesn't know what he's doing in midfield and that's criminal for someone who has 162 appearances for us.
Cleverley in contrast seemed to know the basics of midfield almost immediately and there's no surprise he's ahead of him in the pecking order.
Him playing 20yrds deeper than he supposedly wants to shouldn't be detrimental to his passing, touch or movement. It's just an excuse. A more likely cause is him being the laziest trainer at the club. I agree with his ability at 17 being irrelevant but it was you who brought it up.
He is? When both have been fit I don't think either has been ahead in the pecking order.
Sometimes Clev plays, sometimes Ando plays. Our only midfielder that is "ahead" of anyone else is Carrick, the rest just sit on the same level where it all depends who SAF fancies on the day.
I do think injury and trying to convert him hasn't helped his progression but I agree with Mojo in that ultimately his lack of effort in training and general motivation has been his biggest downfall. He has barely progressed since we first bought him.
We really know nothing about his "lack of effort in training", are we really taking footballers banter about their teammates as prrof that someone shows "lack of effort in training".
Three players were asked who was the laziest trainer. They all instinctively answered Anderson. Then Mandy Henry, who's job it is to speak to players/staff said she'd heard that before. It really couldn't be any clearer. Only a deep man love would make you think otherwise.
Plus he can barely complete a 90 minute game, and is practically nailed on to be subbed at some point if started. He's one of our most unfit players. Perhaps he would have had a better approach to training if he played in his favoured position throughout his career.
Anderson doesnt create them either. And I dont know anywhere that carries the stats from when he was in portugal or brazil but I'd be surprised if he was a regular creator there either.
To some extent there certainly is. However, his short passing is certainly better than Rooney's, isn't it? He is no Iniesta, that much is for sure. Then again, he has been converted away from that role anyhow. He was very promising when we signed him. Now he has added long passing to his repertoir, but he isn't as lethal as the very best, that is true.
Messi hardly ever uses his right foot though
I dont think his short passing is anywhere near as good as Rooney's. Anderson is just playing in an area where its easier to make passes. Rooney has to try and open up tight defences with sometimes only 1 player ahead of him
Cant believe some people have this opinion
Or it might just be that Anderson has the shittest conditioning and is often at the back of runs etc which makes players think of him as the "lazy one" when asked. And well, that would kinda fit in with the level of conditioning we see from him in games. The fact that he's a joker probably doesn't help either, I can imagine him pretending to hide from long runs and stuff as banter.
Accusing him of "lacking effort" in training is pretty ridiculous unless you've actually seen the players training on a regular basis. If you wanna go along with that and call it "man-love" on my side, I'm totally fine with that.
He only played 30 odd games, the way some talk on here it's as if he was a well established attacking midfielder, well versed in the role with any other position being alien territory.
The opinion that Anderson is a better player than Cleverley when playing well? I mean feck me, you'd have to serious overrate Cleverley to a ridiculous degree to not be able to "believe that some people have that opinion"... I mean, it's Tom Cleverley we're talking about here.
Or it could just be what they actually said.
Cleverley rings more goal threat from CM - crucial to the way we play
Well yeah, and unless you've seen it with your own eyes to know what their "banter" is, I'd hold back from accusing players of lacking effort in training. As we've previously discussed, I'm pretty certain SAF wouldn't accept a player on his books that seriously "lacked effort" in training, especially a player than struggles to get through 90 minutes on match day.
Cleverley brings more goal threat? than who?
And did you just say that Clev is crucial to the way we play or am I getting seriously confused here
Yes. A player who has proved himself as a Manchester United central midfielder, always improves our fluid passing game and helps us move the ball at pace, whilst still keeping hold of the ball better than Anderson. What does Anderson give the team? Its madness. A year ago I could see the confusion, but Cleverley was still better. Now its ridiculous
You're overrating Cleverley massively Ekeke, but I can't really hold that against you.
Cleverley is nowhere near as good at this point as you are hoping, and that's why the majority of the caf are still absolutely desperate for us to go out and buy a midfielder.
No you said SAF wouldn't have a player who wasn't at optimum fitness. It looked wrong then, with the insight we've had since it definitely is wrong.
You've had three players say he's the laziest, an MUTV reporter said she'd heard that before and he struggles to get through 90 minutes. Yet you think it might just be 'banter.'
You obviously rate him but it's clouding your judgement now.
What was strange about that?
Considering the entire boards agree that his conditioning isn't up to scratch would you not agree that he probably is at the back of most runs etc in training? and would that in turn not make most players think of him as the lazy trainer?
I know for my footy team that the lads at the back of every single run are the ones I'd call lazy trainers if asked.
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