Oh aye, I agree that Anderson had to be dealt with but I'm just saying it's been going on far too long. Cantona's kick and Rio drug scandal were much more serious issues yet Fergie supported them, rightly so IMO. So why has he hung Anderson out to dry for a month, just for missing training?
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Oh aye, I agree that Anderson had to be dealt with but I'm just saying it's been going on far too long. Cantona's kick and Rio drug scandal were much more serious issues yet Fergie supported them, rightly so IMO. So why has he hung Anderson out to dry for a month, just for missing training?
They're all likely to start against Milan, so if we have an injury to one of our first-choice midfielders Gibson's going to be the one to step in.
That's all he was saying, and he was saying that because you weren't exactly clear with your wording in the post he quoted.
It was just a misunderstanding, I think.
Anderson broke the rules and is now being punished for it. Which has been the same yardstick for every player young or experienced for all these years. Why should it be changed for Anderson when it wasnt changed for a beckham or a ronaldo. Discipline breeds success.
Look at shitty and how they treated Robinho and ultimately what they got out of it. And look at how we treated Nani and now what we are getting out of that.
Look at shitty and how they treated Robinho and ultimately what they got out of it. And look at how we treated Nani and now what we are getting out of that.
You claimed Gibson wouldn't play (not start, play) against Milan. Obviously he isn't going to start but he might be required to come off the bench.
The thing is though, it's about performances as well as discipline.
Chances are he was going to get dropped for a poor performance in his last game, and then got dropped for whatever ill-discipline took place, and now he's been unlucky to miss out on reserve games to get his fitness up.
It's a series of events not a single event, you seem to be missing that, which I'd assume is because you're a big fan of Anderson?
The situations aren't really comparable.
They were established players who had proven themselves. Anderson despite the potential he might have, has not. An odd good game here or there doesnt cut it.
And its not like he just woke up late or had a late night out or something. He bloody flew halfway around the world for crying out loud.
Gibson's form of late has been far better than Anderson and as a result he merits his place at present.
That's fair enough. Cheers
What form? Gibson hasn't played since the Leeds shambles.
Where Anderson played better than him thoughout the match.
With Fletcher and Carrick in midfield, we don't lose games. Long may Anderson's absence continue.
I agree and disagree. Valencia can play in a 3. It depends. If we need width we could bring on obertan etc. We could maybe have berbatov or diof up top with Rooney on the wing
It depends on our formation, the score, the flow of the play. If we play 1 up top etc
Anderson hasn't been picked but I think adrenaline could have got him through it. It hits you after a few minutes but you get a second breath and the occasion could have got him through it but obviously Gibbos an option if he's on the bench. Is he the best option and do you want him to come on against Ac Milan away? I don't think so personally
There is no evidence he went to Brazil or even spoke to anyone, only the word of Cuntis.
Besides, Rio dragged us over the coals in contract negotiations after our support during his ban. I consider that an act of pure selfishness and an act that warranted the Anderson treatment, yet Fergie still played him.
There's a huge difference in Fergie's attitude to a naive mistake by a young lad, to a pure act of greed after an act of stupidity by an experienced pro IMO.
that's the point. It's wrong to base any argument on a rumor.
Established pro is the keyword. Ronaldo's twattish antics at times were only tolerated because of what he was capable of on the pitch. Its how the world goes round. If you're good at what you do, you can get away with the rest of it.
But if you're still to make a mark, you cannot act like a primadonna. He's acting like it before he's even an integral part of the 1st team.
what's he done that you can actually prove?..
The same people slating nani are probably the same wanking over him now. Fickle. Rumors people rumors. Look at how people talk about vidic. Most people should fecking be up in arms. Talk of selling him. Madness. Who we become?
We're Manchester United. People make shit up every day. Under the glazers, it seems peoples fears have them believing everything they read. It didn't used to be the case. People shouldn't allow it.
The same people slating nani are probably the same wanking over him now. Fickle. Rumors people rumors. Look at how people talk about vidic. Most people should fecking be up in arms. Talk of selling him. Madness. Who we become?
We're Manchester United. People make shit up every day. Under the glazers, it seems peoples fears have them believing everything they read. It didn't used to be the case. People shouldn't allow it.
Where do you guys get things like that from? Now really, where?He was pretty shite against leeds, and didnt play from there on...but hey nevermind
Gibson hasnt played for the best part of 2 months since he stunk Old trafford out against Leeds, hes even less match fit than Anderson.Of which none have been confirmed, so better keep things objective.
Since when has one game ever been representative of form?! If you take his appearances in December then he merits his place in the squad above Anderson.
I am not for one minute saying that Gibson has more ability or is a better player than Anderson, but he's currently far more reliable and sometimes that's what you need in these type of games.
And since when has playing no games been a representative of form?
Get a grip, you are talking about december that's two months away, how can you say his form is better than Anderson's?
He was pretty shite against leeds, and didnt play from there on...but hey nevermind
As I stated in a post above, I was taking into account his performances in December as well which were good. The whole team with the odd exception was poor against Leeds, it's harsh to single out anyone for specific criticism and he was no worse than Anderson in that game.
Didnt this happen earlier in the season to Anderson? After the Community Shield people were saying he was going to leave cos he didnt get picked or something. And then found himself in the team for a while a month or so later. Same with Carrick?
Again, get a grip. Where did I say that? But he was shite, and his games in december where no better than ANderson's nothing special at all if you ask me, apart from shooting there is not much in his game that really impresses me, it's just that simple.
And talking about his recent form when he hasnt played for 2 months is a bit dumb isnt it?
When was the last good game Anderson played? Chelsea away at the start of November?
There's also a huge difference in your attitude to these two players.
As far as Rio's concerned, you've lapped up the tabloid stuff about him dragging us over the coals negotiating a new contract, eating dinner with Kenyon etc.
As far as Anderson's concerned you're completely dismissing the rumours about him skipping training and swanning off to Brazil and talking about "no evidence" and "the word of Custis".
The least you can do is be consistent.
As for what really happened - involving Rio and Anderson - none of us will never know but you can take an educated guess by how SAF responded in each situation.
They've both played so infrequently the word "form" is slightly misleading.
The fact remains that Gibson has been the marginally better player of the two, taking into account their most recent few games. Which puts him ahead of Anderson on merit.
Again, this is more down to Anderson playing poorly rather than Gibson playing well but you can't ignore the very positive contribution that Gibson made in his last few appearances, compared to Anderson's fairly ineffectual displays in his.
So basically you're arguing with me as you don't rate Gibson.
He's had some sub appearances since Leeds, but the point remains that in his last 5 games, Gibson has played better than Anderson in his last 5 games. If you don't want to term that as 'form', I couldn't care less.
Fergie and Rio confirmed there was a "delay" in negotiations. Rio was pictured with Kenyon.
Nobody has confirmed the Anderson rumour, he wasn't pictured in Brazil or with a director.
Clear difference in those cases, in my book.
Yup, form is really misleading, and whther Gibson has been better or not overall in his games for us than Anderson is subjective. In my eyes, he wasnt. Not a bit.
But Anderson was pretty shite too in his last games for us, I wont deny that. Dissapointing, but Gibson for whatever reason it might be fails to impress me in almost every game he playes for us.
This thread is going to degenerate into a 'I need proof' fest like the Ronaldo thread a couple of years back. Ronaldo gives interviews, we have resident gimps taking issue with the translations, and claiming that it was all a fiction. Despite no one denying it.
The only people who can confirm this are the player himself-and why would he, even if he wants out, it's outside the window and it hardly makes him look an attractive prospect to potential buyers-and the club-again, why would they, it devalues the player.
The only people who can confirm this are the player himself-and why would he, even if he wants out, it's outside the window and it hardly makes him look an attractive prospect to potential buyers-and the club-again, why would they, it devalues the player.
Well I don't really rate him too much that's true. But that has nothing to do with whether talking about the form of players that havent featured in games for weeks now is silly or not.
Agreed, I think most people would feel more comfortable having Anderson among the traveling party opposed to Gibson especially if one were called upon to play a significant role in the match, Gibsons a very limited player with an occasional great shot, other than that theres nothing really at all impressive in his make up......his tendancy to shoot on sight is extremely annoying especially when he passes up a far better and easier passing options.
A delay in negotiations? Burn the witch!
Nobody has confirmed (or ever will) that Rio considered signing for Chelsea, just like nobody has confirmed (or ever will) that Anderson fecked off to Brazil without permission.
There is, however, a lot of circumstantial evidence to support both possibilities.
Personally, I would hope that SAF is much quicker to drop players who aren't performing on the pitch or putting in the effort in training then those who are sounding out offers from other clubs during contract negotiations.
Can someone pls summarise this for me? Is Anderson still in the shit with Fergie?
Is he injured? Why didnt he travel to Milan?
Is he injured? Why didnt he travel to Milan?
Well it's not like I wasnt dissapointed by Anderson's last appearances, but when people start to claim that Gibsons form is better than Andersons then things start to get absurd, it hasnt got too much to do with whether I would feel more comfortable with him in the squad or not.
I never said Rio considered signing for Chelsea and I never mentioned the Kenyon episode until you brought it up. It's common knowledge that Rio was angling for a huge raise fresh off an 8-month ban.
The worst trainer at the club is Wes Brown according to the players, doesn't effect his matchday performances, does it? I'd rather a lazy trainer but a good performer cut a bit of slack than a greedy sod, using other clubs to bump up his salary.
Do you kow the definition of recent form Pogue?
When did both of them play a game for us (the last time)?
Anderson played better against Leeds, without any doubt.
Are you implying Anderson's been a good performer this season?
I couldn't give a feck how players negotiate contracts - they all play hard ball these days - so long as they perform on the pitch.
If they don't put the effort in in training and they don't perform on the pitch then they don't deserve to play with the first-team squad. It's quite simple really.
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