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Arturo Vidal
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Get emotionally involved with what's going on behind the scenes. (Not that you already aren't) You'll never be disappointed. Not at least from now on.
Juve has leaks they can't control.
United on the other hand have been unofficially briefing journos, with an agenda, and we don't know what that agenda is.
United on the other hand have been unofficially briefing journos, with an agenda, and we don't know what that agenda is.
Yep.
Is is safe to say that all the other top clubs are loaded with midfielders and we might be the only one chasing him?
Of course. A couple of surprise promotions from the youth system, and we're back in business.
The Daily Express have read the Tuttosport article on Vidal 
Get emotionally involved with what's going on behind the scenes. (Not that you already aren't) You'll never be disappointed. Not at least from now on.
I can't do it! It's too much! Aaaahhhhh
Do we have a quality DM in the youth system?
Lingard is promotion material from what I've seen. Who knows with van Gaal's whacky ways of management. Look what happened to schweinsteiger at Bayern.
Ben Pearson. Not sure he is immediately ready though.
Possibly promotion material, not sure myself but there's potential. However, I just can't see him ever becoming a DM.
He's not that whacky.
Vidal to Manchester United front page news in Chile, but knee situation complicated
Chile newspaper El Mercurio go Vidal overboard on Wednesday, saying that now Antonio Conte has left Juventus he'll be free to leave the club.
Manchester United are the club mentioned as his likely destination and El Mercurio manage to donate four pages to it without saying a great deal either way. It's all the usual stuff, Manchester United want the player, Juventus will sell for a big fee and Vidal is still on holiday.
What is a little different is that they've spoken to Fabrizio Tencone who is the Juventus team doctor, presumably because they wanted to know about progress with Vidal's knee injury.
The midfielder had an operation on his knee in Barcelona on May 7th to solve a meniscus issue. That was just over a month before Chile's first World Cup match on June 13th. It was touch and go whether Vidal would start that match against Australia, he did but came off midway through the second half.
That wasn't Vidal's first match back. On June 4th he'd come on in the 76th minute against Northern Ireland.
Vidal played nearly all of the match against Spain, didn't come off the bench when not required against Holland, and then was substituted off in the 86th minute against Brazil. Chile would have liked him for longer against Brazil but Vidal didn't have the fitness and his country went out of the World Cup.
There have been murmurings about his knee since. Vidal was nowhere near his best and looked unfit. He'd played until just before the operation, it wasn't an emergency surgery, and he perhaps shouldn't have lacked so much match fitness.
El Mercurio reported at the weekend that Manchester United had asked Chile for Vidal's medical records to see what was being said about the midfielder's knee. There had been claims he was rushed back too soon.
The doctor who performed the operation, Ramon Cugat, said on his own website on the same day as the surgery (May 7th) that he had faith Vidal would be ready for the World Cup.
A Chilean website, Prensa Futbol, also quoted Cugat, who told them "World Cup? Only God knows, but we are confident that all will be well."
Yet on June 4th he was quoted by Terra as saying "I advise Vidal to not compete until two months after the operation, perhaps three if possible. Playing before that is hurrying him back and is a risk because the meniscus could tear again."
"You have to think about the World Cup. The country, the fans that are depending on him. We know it is something important that comes every four years, but sometimes an injury can leave you out of the oturnament. The player has an ego and wants to win, it is not up to me to stop him."
One outlook seemed optimistic and the other ultra-conservative. The optimistic comments were made just after the operation and the pessimistic ones just under a month later. Perhaps something changed in that time.
Juventus doctor Fabrizio Tencone hasn't been able to get Vidal's medical records from the Chile national set-up and told El Mercurio this when they contacted him "We have no news on the status of Arturo Vidal. Chile has not sent any report. To learn about the medical situation of our footballer you will have to talk to Dr Carcuro from the Chile squad, where he was last time. Not us, because we haven't been able to find out how his knee is.
"I can't answer if it was a risk to play at the World Cup. Sincerely, I'd rather not talk about it."
That Chile aren't automatically sharing information seems to have annoyed Tencone and he's touchy about the situation. There's every chance that Vidal had been advised, medically, not to play at the World Cup and doing so may have increased the chance of his meniscus tearing again.
Manchester United or any other club interested in buying the player would no doubt want to know what happened exactly. Whilst medicals at football clubs are thorough, they are not magic and the records of a player would still be taken into account.
Vidal had been carrying the injury whilst playing for Juventus last season. Surgery was delayed for over a month so he could help the Turin club win the title. That's never a sensible scenario.
Given what Manchester United have been through with players previously they'll be concerned about this but there's no magic wand of a medical that can see into the future and what may happen with his knee. If Chile are being awkward over the medical records, and it's not just Juventus having problems, than that would be worry.
Chile newspaper El Mercurio go Vidal overboard on Wednesday, saying that now Antonio Conte has left Juventus he'll be free to leave the club.
Manchester United are the club mentioned as his likely destination and El Mercurio manage to donate four pages to it without saying a great deal either way. It's all the usual stuff, Manchester United want the player, Juventus will sell for a big fee and Vidal is still on holiday.
What is a little different is that they've spoken to Fabrizio Tencone who is the Juventus team doctor, presumably because they wanted to know about progress with Vidal's knee injury.The midfielder had an operation on his knee in Barcelona on May 7th to solve a meniscus issue. That was just over a month before Chile's first World Cup match on June 13th. It was touch and go whether Vidal would start that match against Australia, he did but came off midway through the second half.
That wasn't Vidal's first match back. On June 4th he'd come on in the 76th minute against Northern Ireland.
Vidal played nearly all of the match against Spain, didn't come off the bench when not required against Holland, and then was substituted off in the 86th minute against Brazil. Chile would have liked him for longer against Brazil but Vidal didn't have the fitness and his country went out of the World Cup.
There have been murmurings about his knee since. Vidal was nowhere near his best and looked unfit. He'd played until just before the operation, it wasn't an emergency surgery, and he perhaps shouldn't have lacked so much match fitness.
El Mercurio reported at the weekend that Manchester United had asked Chile for Vidal's medical records to see what was being said about the midfielder's knee. There had been claims he was rushed back too soon.
The doctor who performed the operation, Ramon Cugat, said on his own website on the same day as the surgery (May 7th) that he had faith Vidal would be ready for the World Cup.
A Chilean website, Prensa Futbol, also quoted Cugat, who told them "World Cup? Only God knows, but we are confident that all will be well."
Yet on June 4th he was quoted by Terra as saying "I advise Vidal to not compete until two months after the operation, perhaps three if possible. Playing before that is hurrying him back and is a risk because the meniscus could tear again."
"You have to think about the World Cup. The country, the fans that are depending on him. We know it is something important that comes every four years, but sometimes an injury can leave you out of the oturnament. The player has an ego and wants to win, it is not up to me to stop him."
One outlook seemed optimistic and the other ultra-conservative. The optimistic comments were made just after the operation and the pessimistic ones just under a month later. Perhaps something changed in that time.
Juventus doctor Fabrizio Tencone hasn't been able to get Vidal's medical records from the Chile national set-up and told El Mercurio this when they contacted him "We have no news on the status of Arturo Vidal. Chile has not sent any report. To learn about the medical situation of our footballer you will have to talk to Dr Carcuro from the Chile squad, where he was last time. Not us, because we haven't been able to find out how his knee is.
"I can't answer if it was a risk to play at the World Cup. Sincerely, I'd rather not talk about it."
That Chile aren't automatically sharing information seems to have annoyed Tencone and he's touchy about the situation. There's every chance that Vidal had been advised, medically, not to play at the World Cup and doing so may have increased the chance of his meniscus tearing again.
Manchester United or any other club interested in buying the player would no doubt want to know what happened exactly. Whilst medicals at football clubs are thorough, they are not magic and the records of a player would still be taken into account.
Vidal had been carrying the injury whilst playing for Juventus last season. Surgery was delayed for over a month so he could help the Turin club win the title. That's never a sensible scenario.
Given what Manchester United have been through with players previously they'll be concerned about this but there's no magic wand of a medical that can see into the future and what may happen with his knee. If Chile are being awkward over the medical records, and it's not just Juventus having problems, than that would be worry.
Probably not DM material. What we lack defensively worries me far more than midfield at the moment.
I have watched him a lot. I like his heart and the energy, but his passing isnt top standard. He is better than tunnicliffe, but he isnt quite there. I think sean goss is younger and a better passer. I think goss will have a real chance, he is still young though. Petrucci at 16 was different class too and we all know what happened there.
Well, except for Vidal himself.Just realised that no credible source has once linked us with Vidal this summer haha, and yet this thread has over 200pages based on (Mostly twitter speculation) from a bunch of nobody's.
And before someone says that the "if the Manchester United deal falls through" as being added by the twitterverse, that quote appears to be from a different interview than the one on Youtube, since there were other quotes included with that which were not in the Youtube interview from the Colo Colo game.
Feck me this knee issue seems pretty problematic
Different stories coming out like crazy. The Italians are saying one thing, in Chile another and something else in England. I'm not convinced any of them are really sure what's going on.
Anyway, I've retracted my interest from Vidal and will no longer be disappointed if we fail to sign him.
Anyway, I've retracted my interest from Vidal and will no longer be disappointed if we fail to sign him.
He doesn't need to become a DM, we have 3 players who can already sweep up in Fellaini, Fletcher and Carrick. My ideal midfield for the big games would be..
---------------Carrick---------------
-----Herrera------------A Vidal------
In the games against "lesser" teams, we could go all attacking with something like this?
-----------Herrea---------A Vidal------------
-------------------Mata----------------------
---------------Carrick---------------
-----Herrera------------A Vidal------
In the games against "lesser" teams, we could go all attacking with something like this?
-----------Herrea---------A Vidal------------
-------------------Mata----------------------
Pearson. He's on the box-to-box side of DM, but could certainly be the deepest midfielder in any set-up. He's going to be a truly superb midfielder, but he's not ready yet, mostly on account of always having been on the short side. Next season, I'd expect.
FWIW, El Mercurio should be a legit source. They're not like the Daily Mail or Mirror (La Cuarta would be more like that). In fact it's the oldest paper in Chile, and possibly the oldest (or one of the oldest) in Latin America, dating back to the early 1800s.
Pearson's qualities are his touch in tight areas, quick feet, reading of the game, tenacity and Engine. He can carry the ball and drive with it too and his passing isn't great i agree but it isn't bad either. Short passing is actually pretty good, long range is hit and miss and he hasn't shown yet at the higher levels as he used to in his early U18 days with a DM in behind. His playing style and so many things are closest to Roy Keane i have seen in a while.
Actually with his style if he was bigger physically and had a Pogba type physique for me he'd be a cert to make it at United. Still has a very good chance.
Tunnicliffe was never as good technically. He was bit overrated due to his size at lower levels which led him to dominate games. As for Goss, he is a elegant player and a good passer but i am not fully sure yet. He is bit one footed and athletically limited. Maybe he develops into a Carrick type player we'll see but right now he fades off games when they pass him by.
I expect LvG will be asked about him on Thursday, what type of manager is he when it comes to being asked about transfers? Obviously some have different styles in which they answer, like giving nothing away, admiring the player but not saying they are interested or just doing a Harry Redknapp.
Lets just get Toure from City,he's unsettled
That article @Adnan posted above has got me worrying about his knee. I can see us being more risk averse about a medical issue than the prices being discussed. Rightly so imo, I wouldn't want another Hargreaves situation. Can anyone elaborate a bit on the specifics of the injury, what kind of prognosis you'd expect?
Lets just get Toure from City,he's unsettled
Nah, he's 31 and well on the downward spiral considering his body type. 12/18 months top level football in him before he takes a pay rise for a mediocre league.
It's a very similar injury and surgery to what Suarez had. Barca obviously were happy with his recovery, so unless something has gone horribly wrong with Vidal's recovery, I don't see how it can be that big of an issue.
All they've said is it was a meniscal injury. Which could mean anything. Your meniscus is the cartilage that stops the bones in your knee grinding together. A small tear can be trimmed off with an excellent prognosis. A big tear might need to be stitched up, which has a more difficult recovery and sometimes breaks down again. The big worry is that you keep on nibbling away at the meniscus until there's very little left and the bones are constantly rubbing on each other. That's what happened to Ledley King.
If we get desperate and end up having to wait for Stootman, then surely Phil Jones is a candidate as DM, if he didn't keep getting injured he could well have got alot more games there.
They're a legit source but some people think the only credible sources reside in the UK.
They're a legit source but some people think the only credible sources reside in the UK.
And Ireland! Poker commentating, Liverpool supporting, regional radio hosts are the ultimate reliable source.
This is just typical, the first time I've allowed myself to get sucked into a transfer saga this Summer and it looks like it's off
He got Rvp spot on so he may know something?
This is just typical, the first time I've allowed myself to get sucked into a transfer saga this Summer and it looks like it's off
Juventus we're never going to say, "yep, he's for sale", were they!?
Just stay calm.
There's a lot of smoke here...
Until Ed woodward or LVG states we aren't in for Vidal then it will be 100%. All the rumours so far have come from ItalyThis is just typical, the first time I've allowed myself to get sucked into a transfer saga this Summer and it looks like it's off
Yeah, you really don't know, and issues could pop up in a year or two, despite passing a medical now. Or, he could be 50 before he ever thinks about it again.
When people say, "How stupid would we be to pass on him at 34 million," this is how that could be a possibility, if there are concerns (or especially if we received a bad report) on his knee. We may also be using knee concerns as a negotiation tactic.
Imagine, we call the Chilean docs, they give us their reports and it shows his knee is 100% fine. So we tell them that if they refuse to send those reports to Juve, we'll fly them to England any time they want for games....heck, maybe offer them a well-paid spot on United's medical staff to help our Spanish speaking players be more at ease.
Rumours that it was off started well before this Juventus presser. Infact most of the news on this since yesterday morning has been negative.
I always thought this was a long shot. Got sucked in and now wishing I hadn't. Doesn't look like happening now.
Tancredi Palmeri @tancredipalmeri 1m
.@United_Rules @ManUtd put the right bid and you will have Vidal. Simple as that
.@United_Rules @ManUtd put the right bid and you will have Vidal. Simple as that
There's plenty of options we could sign;
Alex Song
Strootman
De Jong
Sven Bender
Carvalho
Javi Martinez
Mascherano
All of these would be a great fit for us IMO.
Alex Song
Strootman
De Jong
Sven Bender
Carvalho
Javi Martinez
Mascherano
All of these would be a great fit for us IMO.
Apart from a duo Herrera/Strootman, dont think our midfield would be creative enough.
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