Bebe is the new Manucho
Bebe | 2010/11 Performances
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He played one season in the third divisions. His first as a pro, being a bit of a late starter due to being mainly reared in an orphanage (he was never homeless). After which he was signed by a first division side, for whom he had an excellent pre-season, prompting them to immediately offer him a much better contract and a host of other clubs (including United) to make enquiries about signing him.
This (fictional) stuff about him playing in the Homeless World Cup was jumped all over by the media, in search of a snappy headline. In reality he was one of three lads from his shelter invited to train with an organisation that was set up to help under-privileged kids play football. This was presumably how he got spotted by the club that first offered him professional terms.
Obviously, all the above stuff is kind of boring and doesn't fit in with the rags to riches, "tramp hits the big time" guff pumped out by the tabloids. It's also bound to provoke some mickey-taking by rival fans, which is all well and good. It's just a shame to see United fans buying into it because it's those myths which make some fans much more likely to write him off prematurely, without being as patient as we obviously need to be with someone who came to the game as late as he did.
Precisely the type of numpty I'm referring to in my last post.
Fergie may call it a disgusting attack, others will call it journalism. Now, the story may have been wrong, and it's a bloody shame if it was. In which case, I'm sure there are legal ways to counter it. Since Fergie has a way of being highly economical with the truth, just because he says something doesn't mean the journalist is wrong.
The major point is, however, that Gallery thing at the Guardian. Daniel Taylor's name is not anywhere on it, as far as I can see. So why do people rush to assume he's got anything to do with it at all?
So you believe a journalist known to be ABU, bitter, banned from press conferences, and basically a right chancer with an agenda, over our manager?
Wake up is all I can say.
Jesus christ those were terrible (although I stopped at 10). Incredibly poorly shopped and not at all funny.
I wouldn't generally take Ferguson's view of a journalist as the gospel truth myself. He takes the hump with 20 of them per season.
Never found Taylor to be anti-United at all and I read the book he did about Ferguson which was a well balanced view all in all.
Never found Taylor to be anti-United at all and I read the book he did about Ferguson which was a well balanced view all in all.
GCHQ doesn't like Taylor as he has been supportive of the G&G. So he basically doesn't like any journalists.
Yeah, but sometimes he criticises United, so he's clearly a bitter twisted ABU twat...
So you believe a journalist known to be ABU, bitter, banned from press conferences, and basically a right chancer with an agenda, over our manager?
Wake up is all I can say.
Quite frankly, I don't believe either of them. Quite frankly, I don't give a damn. When Bebe plays, I'll make my judgement. Until then, talk is cheap.
I don't believe a journalist, nor do I hurry to accept the words of the manager who gushed over Veron, and sold him 24 hours later. Fergie has an agenda too. An agenda that is good and right for us, no question about that. But it does include lying.
However, just because a story has been posted, or that Fergie has a beef with Taylor, does NOT make him ABU or bitter. And the Guardian posting something like that Gallery does not mean he has anything to do with it, so blaming him is stupid.
Those Gallery images are all submitted by fans, so can't be blamed on Taylor or any other journalist. I guess we can get snotty about Bebe being this week's "target" but hey, he's an obvious (if slightly lazy and ill-informed) target for this type of piss-taking. All the more so when he plays for a club that ia a popular hate figure amongst most football fans (not crying ABU here thats just the way it is) Newspapers will always go with the obvious, that's what they do.
While this is true, The Guardian encouraged exactly the sort of pictures by holding the competition in the first place and they also selected what pictures were put up. How many of these pictures were actually done by United fans?
I'd put my house on it that Taylor was behind all this.
Just a tad paranoid?
Agreed. Bebe is a guy who recently signed a big money contract with Manchester United.
I think he can take a bit of slagging.
I don't think it's paranoia at all. He was known to be fuming and very embarrased about being banned by Ferguson for that article and recieved alot of wind up tags on Twitter that he kept deleting or furiously responding to.
You really think it's a coincidence that The Guardian's website then runs a competition for the best photoshopped picture of the player he got in trouble with Ferguson for slating?
He wouldn't be a Manchester United player if half the world didn't want him to fail or took the piss out of him - that's how I see it.
They have one of those every week
Andy Carroll, Gareth Bale and Joe Cole have been 'victims' of one during the last month.
I fail to see how this can be offensive...
The point still remains that he did not play in the Portuguese First Division.
I was simply referring to your answer when fadas said that we signed a player who had not played above the Portuguese Unibond League, and you said he was signed from a First Division club, as if he had actually played for them.
He has never played above the Portuguese Third Division. I don't know what the equivalent of that league would be in England, although I'm sure it'd be better than the Unibond league.
I didn't say I believed he played in the homeless world cup either. I said that it would be quite easy to believe how and why someone would believe it considering that there was so much media coverage about it.
Summed up: It all points to a worthless buy. During the past two years, we have bought quite some deadwood: bit part players and the like. We will have some time offloading them.
You kidding right? Any youth player could be considered to be a worthless buy then if they don't prove themselves. Buying youngsters is always going to be a gamble, not everyone turns out to be a Rooney/Ronaldo. He will languish in the reserves for a good, good while.
The only difference is with Bebe is he has a sob story attached to him. Always going to cause alarm if things dont work out.
People just wont learn, will they? FFS, be at least A BIT patient with young players
Let's not forget the story about Drogba who only signed his first pro contract aged 21 and really started developing towards his potential at the "young" age of 24.
There's hope yet for Bebe.
There's hope yet for Bebe.
I don't want to see you on this forum in 2-3 years time claiming that you always gave him a chance despite the muppets, should he turn out to be a good player.
nonce
You're an idiot.
All you guys hurling stones: please check out the players we have bought during the past two years or so, and name those who have even made an impact leave alone developed. Macheda made an impact against Villa. But he was bought over two years ago. How long does it take for a potential player to develop into a good one?
The only ones we can judge are Valencia are Owen.
Valencia has been sublime, Owen has done his job, Tosic was moved on for a decent price, it's still FAR to early to judge for Obertan, Diouf, Smalling and Hernandez. And most of all it is far too early to judge Bebe, considering we haven't even fecking seen him in a United shirt.
Nani turned into a good player(Talent was always there, but right application and consistency) after two years of relative struggle. Anderson still is yet to show his talent consistently after even three years of being here. Going out of United, Theo Walcott looked like finally showing some consistency after all those years of inconsistency. It's almost ridiculous and idiotic to expect that potential players will develop into good players within the period of months and similarly it's idiotic to expect that just because the youngster haven't been playing regularly they haven't developed.
The youngster/unknown players we have signed in last two years(not counting Tosic/Ljajic), I might have missed anyone.
Obertan, Diouf, Smalling, Hernandez and Bebe
Obertan, Smalling, Hernandez have all(so far) been promising in some of the matches they have played while Diouf has so far scored 4 goals in 4 starts for a Premier League team.
I'm not saying Bebe can't be a flop, but to make assumptions about him without even watching him play atleast twice or thrice is idiocy of highest order.
Obertan back and starting as well. Good news.
Excellent.
"I looooove you Bebe and if it's quite all right, I need you Bebe to score on a chilly night..." (music by Frankie Vallie)
The potential for chants is endless.
"I looooove you Bebe and if it's quite all right, I need you Bebe to score on a chilly night..." (music by Frankie Vallie)
The potential for chants is endless.
Want to watch this one... Could some on PM me a link or something ?
Ditto.
you come off very poorly in this. And how can you judge youth players on the basis of the length of time, rather than their age. By your logic we shouldn't have an youth academy at all.
Simply reds for the stream
And what exactly points it to a worthless buy? Can we let him play at least one game before we say whether or not he is worth it?
Exactly, Drogba was a late starter and only really hit his straps at 27/28... And has pretty much got better as year rolled on.
You don't beat Madrid, and spend 7 million pounds, on a kid that's never played above the third division in Portugal unless he's got some outrageous talent in him.
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