Berbatov | Fulham player

Simon Adebesi said:
Keane said in his book Cantona was a lazy feck and laid our failures in Europe at the time squarely at his feet on that basis.

Or am I remembering that wrong?
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I've read his book and do not recall that.

But I am sure I have heard him praise his work rate for the side, back in the days.

But I recall Eric always working hard.

The stand out was obviously that Cup semi vs. Chelsea. Cantona was the only man back to clear a Ruud Gullit effort off the line.
 
Neutral said:
Berbatov worked so less harder than anyone else at United. Just because he didn't chase after lost causes like a maniac doesn't mean he didn't work hard on the pitch. I thought last season, people showed plenty of distance covered stats where he was right about where the team average was.
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that's one of the most idiotic, simplistic and misleading stat ever. The covered distance stats are useless without ratio of meters covered in full sprint to total distance. also at it was apparent with Makalele in Madrid also direction of these runs is important.
 
Simon Adebesi said:
Keane said in his book Cantona was a lazy feck and laid our failures in Europe at the time squarely at his feet on that basis.

Or am I remembering that wrong?
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Think you're remembering that wrong. I've read Keane's book and if I remember correctly he prasied Cantona a lot in it and loved his attitude as a footballer. It seemed that Cantona was a massive influence on him as a player.
 
And to the best of my knowledge these players do/did not run around like "maniacs" they simply worked hard for the side.
 
Neutral said:
Well then tell me how Berbatov is meant to get rid of this 'lazy' tag? He isn't Wayne Rooney, who chases anything and everything, but he is also isn't some immobile lightpole. He has always offered plenty of movement off the ball, dropping deep to try and become involved with the build up play, and when asked, helped to close down defenders from the front.

The shit about this work rate is annoying it's always been annoying.
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you see, I think that Berbatov is much better as a finisher (see first months of the last season) than number 10. That is why i changed my mind about him after his two first seasons with us. You are right - for some reason (don't really care what that reason is) he doesn't do Tevez. But we would be better off if he played in front of Rooney rather than behind Welbeck/ Hernandez.

PS Probably Fergie knows better what to do with him ;)
 
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Berba: I’d Never Do What Tevez Did
May 20, 2012 55 Comments

Dimitar Berbatov is leaving United this summer but insists he would never behave like Carlos Tevez has since leaving the club.

“Tevez did ​​it out of spite,” Berbatov told BG TV. “But I wouldn’t do something like that. I had the opportunity to sign for City but I chose United. City are the champions but to me they just bought the title. They bought so many players. I’m sure next year Manchester United will be on top again. Ferguson is honest. He knows how to talk to anyone. After meeting with him you go out so motivated. You want to conquer the world. Before the start of this season, I spoke with Ferguson and asked him if he’ll rely on me. He said to me that he needed me and that I’d play. I’m looking for answer myself why I was sitting on the bench. I spoke with Ferguson about ten times. I was fighting for my place and I was trying but obviously the team will rely on young players.”
 
I hope no offer comes in for him and he gets to stay for another season if he wants to. He absolutely deserves it the sexy Bulgarian
 
What he said would have been better without the bit about City buying the league. The ripostes are too easy.
 
SATA said:
I hope no offer comes in for him and he gets to stay for another season if he wants to. He absolutely deserves it the sexy Bulgarian
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And have him sit on the bench for another season? I rather he leaves, it would be a waste of his talent. He deserves to be playing every week, and he has a few more years at the top of his game.

Good luck berba, conducted himself in such a professional manner, unlike the bitter argentine.
 
He has more class in his little finger than Tevez has in his whole body, or could ever dream of having.

I feel a bit sad that it never truly worked out here for Berbatov.
 
Striker Dimitar Berbatov wants to leave Manchester United because he feels he has fallen out of favour with manager Alex Ferguson.

"My time at Manchester United is running out," the 31-year-old Bulgarian told bTV on Sunday. "I no longer feel like a valuable part of this team."

The Premier League club took up an extra year's option on the former Bulgaria captain's contract in March despite him slipping down the pecking order at Old Trafford.

"I think I did well in the few opportunities that I received," he said. "But I am a little frustrated by the way this happened, I do not think I deserved it."

Berbatov, who is Bulgaria's all-time leading scorer with 48 goals, joined United from Tottenham Hotspur in 2008 for 30.7 million pounds ($48.53 million).

"I've talked 10 times or even more with the manager and he always told me there would be a place for me in the team. But after that I continued to stay on the bench," he said.

"But I have dignity and I stopped going to such meetings, it is clear that I'm leaving United. It's obvious that I have to leave.

"I'm looking for a new place now... I know I can still play at the highest level."

Berbatov has been linked in the media with several clubs from Italy, Germany, France and Turkey, but he said he would not join United's city rivals Manchester City.

"I would never join Man City, I am a loyal person after all," he said. "I had the opportunity to sign for City in the past, but I chose United."

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/soccer/05/20/berbatov.united/index.html#ixzz1vRdoj9Jj
 
Inevitable really. Shame, but he's improved his reputation as a person throughout a lot of it and has my utmost respect. He'll always have a place in my heart after what he did in that 3-2 game against Liverpool.
 
What a class person and great attitude. I'd love him to stay, because I think he's alot more to offer than Hernandez.
 
Such a shame really. He is a classy player and person, just doesnt suit the style of player where fergie wants to take us (as reported before, he wants us the play more tippy tappy quick pace). Still a fantastic option to have. remember our boring 0-0 the previous season at City, he was the loan striker and worked his ass off and done well. Not a great performence, but still it showed what he could do workrate wise.
 
I feel bad for Dimi. I thought there was going to be a time where he'd really prove his worth for us at the club. Unfortunately, it didn't pan out and it's a shame to lose out on such an elegant player.

I'll miss his approach to the game in the sense of making football look like a beautiful painting. Can't fault his attitude. Kept quiet and never threw a strop. Hope his next move is his best yet. Someone with his class and attitude deserves. All the best dimi!
 
Had more than enough chances in his time here regardless of form, so he shouldnt be complaining about that. Managed a very good season last season but clearly the manager doesnt feel he can compete with Welbeck and Hernandez.

Wouldnt be the first striker we replaced in the lineup after a year or two and perhaps he can look back at his first couple of seasons at United and if he had done what he did last year, then, he'd have proven a success and much harder for young players to displace.

He'll find himself a decent team and do well for them
 
Thing is, after his best season last year, he clearly worked on his fitness during the off season to fit in better with the style the team was shifting to and yet, wasn't given much chance to prove himself.

The handling of Berbatov this season has been terrible.
 
Ekeke said:
Had more than enough chances in his time here regardless of form, so he shouldnt be complaining about that. Managed a very good season last season but clearly the manager doesnt feel he can compete with Welbeck and Hernandez.

Wouldnt be the first striker we replaced in the lineup after a year or two and perhaps he can look back at his first couple of seasons at United and if he had done what he did last year, then, he'd have proven a success and much harder for young players to displace.

He'll find himself a decent team and do well for them
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It's not that he cannot compete with them at all, Berbatov is a better than both of them but SAF is the one with the decision and is the one who chooses which players suit the team better.
I have no doubt that Berbatov is the 2nd best striker in the club after Rooney
 
Ekeke said:
Had more than enough chances in his time here regardless of form, so he shouldnt be complaining about that. Managed a very good season last season but clearly the manager doesnt feel he can compete with Welbeck and Hernandez. ....
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You wish. Berbatov has not been making the team simply because he lacks the pace and SAF and his staff have been deliberately trying to add pace to our first 11. His agent confirmed as much.

I suspect that was also the real reason behind Anderson and Cleverley starting the season as the first choice midfield duo.
 
Not sure if it's been pointed out yet but Berbatov finished with the best goals per minute ratio in the league and a ratio beaten only by Messi and Ronaldo in the top 5 leagues.
 
Always liked Dimi, but always believed he was the right player in the wrong era at united. His languid style was more of a cantonesque type era....(yeah oddly put, but you get what I mean hopefully).

I think he should go because I would love him to have another season or two at a club that will play him regularly so that he's undoubted talent can be seen. He's a very intelligent player.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
You wish. Berbatov has not been making the team simply because he lacks the pace and SAF and his staff have been deliberately trying to add pace to our first 11. His agent confirmed as much.

I suspect that was also the real reason behind Anderson and Cleverley starting the season as the first choice midfield duo.
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Do actually want to back that up with something more than "his agent confirmed as such"?

Even if that's true, his agent is hardly going to come out and say, "he's not been playing much because, frankly, the boss thinks he's gone a bit shit", is he?

If he weren't starting players based on a perceived lack of pace then Carrick, Giggs and Scholes wouldn't be first choice midfielders, and Rafael would start every game.
 
Count Orduck said:
Do actually want to back that up with something more than "his agent confirmed as such"?
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I have no need to back it up. It was posted several months ago on this very forum. His agent quoted SAF directly and SAF didn't deviate from that line at a press conference a few days later. If you doubt you can find it on the cafe on your own.

Count Orduck said:
If he weren't starting players based on a perceived lack of pace then Carrick, Giggs and Scholes wouldn't be first choice midfielders, and Rafael would start every game.
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1. Carrick, Scholes and Giggs didn't start the season as the first choice center midfield. Anderson and Cleverly, who spent most of the season injured, did. At one point even Fletcher was getting games ahead of Carrick.

When one looks back at it now, that is a very plausible explanation as to why they did so.

2. Smalling and Jones who have all started ahead of Rafael at right back at times, don't lack pace at all. So your ''Rafael would start every game'' statement makes little sense.
 
I think the Berbatov lacks pace argument is more myth than truth. Rooney, after all, isn't much quicker than Berbatov these days - I've seen Berbatov outpace Distin, not a lot of players do that, so he isn't slow. I cannot quite understand why he has not fitted in better than he has - it's a shame that he was benched after that terrific last season. This season he did great for a couple of matches, then he was mysteriously benched once more.

We don't know half the story, but to me it seems that he hasn't been treated too well.
 
I've said before but I don't think pace is the issue. In the past we've had problems because berba likes to drop as does Rooney and we've not had people running past them. With the wingers getting more involved in our play, the addition of welbeck and clev I think we now have people who are more willing to get beyond the strikers and if we do that then I think berba would fit in just fine. The few times he has played with the likes of clev he's looked good. Personally i think he has more to offer at united but for whatever reason he's not in fergies plans. I hope he gets a good move because he's an excellent player and he comes across well imo
 
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