Thanks for confirming my point.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Thanks for confirming my point.
You didn't. You have two responses in that thread, neither of which are to the posters who pointed out the flaws in the OP.
I'll give you another example. A few weeks back there was a debate about Roy Keane. You waded in stating plainly that he had headbutted a woman. I posted evidence that not only was said alleged headbutt actually a kick, but in fact said kick never occurred.
After this post disproving what you had said, you posted several more unrelated comments in the thread, before I pointed out you hadn't addressed the fact you'd made something up and been caught out. You then posted one further comment, an article that was written the day after the event, which simply repeated the allegations.
You ignored my post which didn't suit you in order to maintain your own personal picture. I asked you had you read said post just a few minutes later, you didn't post again in the thread.
The thread is here if anyone wants to make their own minds up:
https://www.redcafe.net/f6/keano-leagues-been-over-2-months-327677/index4.html
Berbatov didn't decide the fee we paid. He had a contract with Spurs and if they wanted too they would have held onto him...instead they used thev huge £30million bid from City as a bargaining tool to get more money out of us.Johnno I like you alot.
but the abuse you give Berbatov is unfair and it's going in circles.
I honestly think you should be refrained from posting in threads related to him, you have something against him and you can't be 1% objective.
Everybody wants to see your posts, but just not in Berbatov threads.
Anyway this is what he's contributed this year.
The Everton goal
but the abuse you give Berbatov is unfair and it's going in circles.
I honestly think you should be refrained from posting in threads related to him, you have something against him and you can't be 1% objective.
Everybody wants to see your posts, but just not in Berbatov threads.
Anyway this is what he's contributed this year.
The Everton goal
You're wrong; United offered said amount, City tried to hijack it for a higher fee which Spurs accepted, Berb didn't wanna go to City so Spurs could either accept the Utd offer or keep an unhappy player, logic prevailed...
Berbatov thread turns into Johnno thread, there's a surprise.
Myself, Hectic, Feeky earlier were having a geneal discussion, no nastiness, it was civil until Nick started ballooning with snide comments prompting others to get giddy;
"you're a crap poster, Johnno, even though 95% of people accept what you've been saying for ages is true, you're crap"
Then I get abused out the blue by Treble and then get collared for sticking up for myself?
I believe Spurs wanted £28-30m all along, whereas United wanted to spend maximum £25m. City come in with a £30-34m (depending on which reports you want to believe) which forced United's hand. Both bids were accepted, and Berbatov chose United.
Edit: We'd made an earlier bid of around £20million. That's what we should have got him for tbf
Show me where I said that, then.
And how exactly do you know this? City put in a £30million bid for Berbatov after we'd put in a bid ourselves...a bid that wasn't accepted because the deal happened very late in the day and if you recall, Spurs were up in arms because we gave him a medical before a fee had even been agreed. They reported us to the premierleague over it and dropped the claim when a fee was agreed late in the day. The bid was more than likely lower than the £30million. Logic suggests we had to up our bid to match citys. They'd just been taken over and were throwing money around in complete desperation and without thought.
One of the most annoying and gutless things to do in any internet discussion. We all make factual errors from time to time but when we're challenged on something, we should at least have the balls to acknowledge our mistake if we're going to carry on the discussion.
He's doing it again
It happened to me with that Amol lad.
He said Iniesta is the best player in the world, citing his amazing performance at Stamford Bridge.
I couldn't believe it, I then uploaded his performance on to youtube to show that he did very little throughout the game.
He spent the rest of the thread ignoring me after all of that effort!
Have you ignored a post I've made where I was attempting to disprove your claim that you didn't ignore posts? That'd be gold, even for you.
A link that's already been adressed - Berbatov DID NOT decide the fee we paid. It was Spurs who had a choice to accept it or not.
Manchester City set to sign Dimitar Berbatov on dramatic transfer deadline day - Telegraph
It makes no difference where Berbatov wanted to go. City COULD have snuck in and bought him, which Spurs used to their advantage and upped the price for us.
I said you made snide comments which you often do and always only appear when I'm in discussion with others so you have 'back up'.
Feekeh, that's another thread and trust me, I don't scour threads like you do, if you want me to respond to the issues in that thread I can do.
I've not said anywhere Berbatov decided the fee mate, not anywhere.
I said he refused to join City, leaving Spurs to accept a lesser offer or not sell him, that's a hugely different matter.
He's doing it again
It happened to me with that Amol lad.
He said Iniesta is the best player in the world, citing his amazing performance at Stamford Bridge.
I couldn't believe it, I then uploaded his performance on to youtube to show that he did very little throughout the game.
He spent the rest of the thread ignoring me after all of that effort!
It gets right on my tits. Makes any discussion essentially pointless, if it's just a load of people expressing opinions and running away from evidence that challenges them.
Me?
To be fair, you quoted R_Nick in the post above with something he never said.
That's absolute gold coming from you! What snide comments? And why do you insist on talking about 'back up' every time you talk to me? I've conversed with you repeatedly on this subject, as have others, yet you feel the need to make these kind of comments that bare no relation to the truth. You just did it with someone else calling them a sheep - do you think it somehow makes your argument stronger? You really are unbelievable, you constantly ignore peoples points because you have no answer, invent arguments that people have never made and belittle them to try and make yourself look clever (it doesn't work fwiw), you twist peoples words, repeat the same stuff over and over again as if it makes your point more valid. You're quickly sussed out by anyone who reads more than a few of your posts, as feekey has just shown in the last page by perfectly summarising your posting MO.
It's not the issue anymore, it's the question of whether or not you ignore posts or points. It's also not a case of scouring threads, like I've already said you posted several times after my initial post in that thread, disproving what you'd said, without addressing it. Heck, even on this very page you've attempted to skirt around something as best as you can.
It's there for everyone to see.
No mate, please re-read it.
I said Nick was doing his usual snide comments, often about me not being Manc but I think I am etc, and then I said it prompted others to join in, influencing young Feekeh who was nice and civil up til he started, now I have people calling me a pathetic poster etc.
Shall I just ignore it?
You implied it and have since edited your post.
Feekeh, I've responded to every post you said, on my iPhone no less, my thumb is killing me.
Keep repeating it pal, you might make Care Bears appear.
Keep repeating it pal, you might make Care Bears appear.
Try answering actual points, you are the worst poster I've seen debate, ever, as you continously ignore every rational point aimed at you.
I banned you for being insulting amongst other things, not for speaking too much on Berbatov, now I'm asking you to address the points at you, rather then just ignoring them because you have no answer.
No I never and no I never.
You clearly used quotation marks Johnno.
Again I ask, what points do you wish me to address? Please stare them clearly and concise and I'll get back to you ASAP.
Please note, I'm just about to leave my inlaws, drive home, feed the kids etc but will return later on and will happily answer anything you want.
No none of what we were discussing was in that news report. That report contains quotes from Berbatov claming he wouldn't have joined City. That meant sweet feck all during the bidding regardless.
You claimed:
Then deny that City's bid made a difference. We weren't going to pay £30m regardless of City's offer. We made a £20m bid early in August, followed by a £25 bid. We then hesitated until City threw in a much bigger bid which forced out hand. Your link contains not one shred of any figures offered before the transfer was sealed.
FFS Sultan, that was an ironic example of what that Treble said to me, it wasn't a quote from Nick and you know I wasn't doing that.
Johnno, I quoted posts, made seperate points, even edited a load of posts and brought them to your attention, all you keep saying is 'I've addressed them, or they are the same as Nicks'.....You take the absolute piss, and no-one should waste their time debating with you.
You said I was making snide comments, then after a semi colon you posted a quote. It was clearly attempting to make it look like I'd said it. You've also ignored my post above.
Berbatov wouldn't have signed for us if we didn't match what Spurs wanted. Levy is a right stubbern cnut and would have held onto him, for sure.
They played on it being the fianl day of deadline day, the fact it was city who were bidding and that we'd have had no other options. They played on the fear to make Fergie up his bid, which was my original point that you argued - It's not Berbatovs fault he cost £30million and who's to say we'd have paid it if the situation was different (and say, we had time to reject a deal and look at another player, or not look like we'd been trumped by City - because make no mistake, if we'd have pulled out, he'd have probably ended up there)
We're going around in circles anyway so I'm out.
Answer each post indivdually please, and refrain from completely avoiding the subject for once. If you can manage that Johnno, last attempt to save yourself in this forum.
Like I said, it's there for everyone to see. I challenge you to find a single poster who'll look back over the last page or so, as well as the thread linked to, and declare that you aren't guilty of ignoring posts or points. And by the way, it's something you constantly do, the Keane thread was just the one I remembered.
Faaakin 'ell, he's leaning right up on his jam jar!