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Don't argue in the berbatov thread, mate. Normal people became full time retards in this thread.
So he was shit last season now, too? 
This thread never ceases to amaze.
This thread never ceases to amaze.
Aye, he was very good last season.
That said (and I'm speaking as someone whose defended him to the hilt on numerous occasions) his record in big games away from home wasn't great and I remember Fergie mentioning something along those lines. When Hernandez came in instead of him, our away record seemed to pick up dramatically. I reckon Fergie thinks Welbeck also fits the bill better than Berb in this regard.
Interestingly, our away record this season is brilliant but our home record has gone to shite a bit. Maybe Fergie missed a trick by not using Berbatov a bit more at Old Trafford?
That said (and I'm speaking as someone whose defended him to the hilt on numerous occasions) his record in big games away from home wasn't great and I remember Fergie mentioning something along those lines. When Hernandez came in instead of him, our away record seemed to pick up dramatically. I reckon Fergie thinks Welbeck also fits the bill better than Berb in this regard.
Interestingly, our away record this season is brilliant but our home record has gone to shite a bit. Maybe Fergie missed a trick by not using Berbatov a bit more at Old Trafford?
I dont think Berba was good for the majority of last season but he made a great contribution. His treatmen by Fergie this year is nothing short of astonishing.
Fergie only kept Berba it seems as an insurance policy if Welbeck and Hernandez did not perform. It's a cruel way to treat a player and Berba has handled it with professionalism.
Fergie only kept Berba it seems as an insurance policy if Welbeck and Hernandez did not perform. It's a cruel way to treat a player and Berba has handled it with professionalism.
Yep. I agree. I think once Fergie makes his mind he's too stubborn to change it and once Berba was out of the reckoning he would not consider him unless there were exceptional circumstances.
In some months time some people will start claiming that Berbatov apart from the hat-trick was woeful in that Liverpool game.
Complete opposite of that cnut Argie playing for the cross-town rival.
That's all very melodramatic. Every game Berbatov plays is one less opportunity for the two young strikers Fergie sees as our future.
Welbeck seems to have become a much better player over the course of this season. I doubt this would have happened if he'd played less games. Hernandez has been less of a success story but he made such an impact last season you can't blame Fergie for sticking by him in the hope he'd come good.
Any mention of which club/city he would go to in the US/MLS? Clubs like LA and NYRB are out of designated player allocations.
I agree Welbeck has developed into an excellent player. But Berba should have played in more games.
So what was he then? Average? Poor?
If the criticism was levelled soley at Europe, then it would be understandable, but on his season as a whole?? I find it baffling...
Could it not be said that bringing Scholes back was also one less opportunity for a young midfielder to play? And continuing on with Park and even Giggs to an extent also limits the young midfielders chances?
Nah, he scored a lot of goals. There is a difference. Why do you think he's been completely dropped this season? He had a hugely detrimental affect on the team.
Now that really is bollox.
His performances were up and down -his overall contribution was great but he wasnt brilliant all the way through or for the majority ie over 50% of last season.
This doesnt detract from his contribution which was important as I pointed out twice now.
If we had young midfielders the quality of Welbeck or Hernandez I'm sure Scholes and Giggs would have featured a lot less. Ditto Park. Sadly we don't.
At least if we do, they haven't been available to stay fit long enough to challenge the older players for their place in the team.
Was about to mention Cleverley but you mentioned fitness... and I presume Pogba isn't ready for this level yet, no?
Aye, the midfielders got their opporunity right from the get go, but they went and got injured then. You can't take risks in the latter part of the season, not with Scholes in that sort of form.
I do think that Scholes and Giggs shouldn't be getting game time next season if it comes at the expense of fit younger midfielders, especially if we sign new ones. It's ridiculous how SAF still insists on starting Giggs in bigger games despite his woeful form, and worse yet, his utter refusal to ever sub him off.
I do think that Scholes and Giggs shouldn't be getting game time next season if it comes at the expense of fit younger midfielders, especially if we sign new ones. It's ridiculous how SAF still insists on starting Giggs in bigger games despite his woeful form, and worse yet, his utter refusal to ever sub him off.
Which ones? We have Cleverley who played anyway when fit, which wasnt too often mind. Anderson was injured for most of this season as well and apart from those two we haven't got any young midfielders ready to step up. (Pogba's not ready for first team action imo)
Also you forget that Welbeck has, for many games, performed very well. Who knows whether Berbatov would have performed on that level?
Scholes on the other hand is our best midfielder we have by a country mile.
It's not. Why do you think he's being shown the door then? Obviously not a lack of goals, so what is it?
beat me to it.
Having watched almost all his reserve games this season I'd have to say no. Great young talent but nowhere near ready to make the same sort of contribution as Hernandez or Welbeck.
NY are likely to drop Marquez in the summer. Vancouver and the other new Canadian team (not Toronto) have both came out saying they would spend big to get a quality player.
Chicago has spent big in the past. Houston have declared their interest.
As per my original post (and recent comments from his agent) he doesn't fit with the way fergie wants to develop the team, which was most obvious away from home last season. He was nowhere near "hugely detrimental" to the team last season. That would be a ridiculous way to describe a striker who won the golden boot in a title-winning season. He was a really key player for us but ended up displaced by younger players, who better fit the manager's long-term plans.
Anderson - injury prone
Cleverley - injured for most of season
Fletcher - injured for all of season
Pogba - too young and inexperiences AND he's injured
Who does that leave?
Park - off form
Giggs - off form
Scholes - on form
Carrick - on form
So 2 midfielders. Not a great situation to be in.
Cleverley - injured for most of season
Fletcher - injured for all of season
Pogba - too young and inexperiences AND he's injured
Who does that leave?
Park - off form
Giggs - off form
Scholes - on form
Carrick - on form
So 2 midfielders. Not a great situation to be in.
He should have at least been on the bench!!
So I'm meant to discount goals from his overall contribution? Okay then... whilst I'm doing that, of the top of my head, I'll forget his brilliant perfomance leading the line against Evertion away, or that hat-trick against Liverpool, and Birmingham, and Blackburn(5 in fact), or his 2nd half performance against Blackpool to win us that game, or the period during Rooney's absence where he stepped up and was excellent for us, or coming of the bench to win the game against Bolton, or the countless other games where he scored a goal, or put in a shift or was generally very good.
Some games he was poor yes (as are all players), some guys he was decididly average, but in some games he was unqusetionably good... and in some games he was out-fecking-standing. All in all, it was the makings of a great season for him.
Tell me, for curiosities sake, who did have a "good" season last year for us?
Also, he's been dropped because his style doesn't reflect our system. Also, Welbeck and Hernandez are both young and need plenty of game time, meaning Berba has had to suffer.
He wanted to play a completely different way from the rest of the team and we suffered for it a lot of the time. A lot of people were willing to overlook it last season because of the goals, but he was just the same as previous seasons. Id say he's detrimental to the team and the way it functions.
There's also Ballack and possibly Ireland heading over. And who knows about the likes of aging Americans that might come back/over (i.e. Onyewu, Bocanegra, Jones, et al).
Can't see Berbatov fitting in NYRB with Henry and company, they'd have to drop a forward. Chicago or Boston (New England) seem logical to me. What about Seattle - they like big name imports?
With only the league to play for this season it was enough. To be competative on all fronts we need to strength the midfield for next season. Nothing new though.
Park / Giggs /Scholes are temporary measures - they should be playing a heck of a lot less next season unless we have injuries again!
Anderson - not sure where his career is heading or where SAF sees him fitting in.
I dont think Fletcher will ever be back to the Fletcher we know - could even be early retirement.
Cleverlye has like Anderson before him shown flickers of real talent but injuries have curtailed that. A big question mark is still hanging over him.
Pogba may not even be here next season so that only leaves Carrick our most dependable midfielder.
When did we suffer? What on earth are you basing that on?
So that's Gotze/Kagawa and Martinez in. Rejoice Caf-heathens!
Watching us play.
When? Which games last season was he of detriment to us... because currently I'm convinced the above statement is a fabrication.
I've never been quite sure how to take him.
He got 20 goals last season, but 14 of them were in 4 games, which sort of sums him up for me.
He got 20 goals last season, but 14 of them were in 4 games, which sort of sums him up for me.
Detrimental to the way we played. Don't you see it? I thought it was quite obvious. feckin hell, you'd think Berbatov is the most hard done to guy ever. Lets just say he's not been dropped for no reason after his best season for us. You ask yourself why.
Exactly. When you look at it like that, its not quite as impressive.
A bunch of abstract fluff that's not actually presenting any evidence whatsoever? Yep, that pretty much confirms you're talking absolute nonsense.
I say this again, in which games last season was Dimitar Berbatov detrimental to the way we played? It is a simple question.
And he's been dropped this season to both accomodate for Danny Welbeck and Javier Hernandez (who are young and require plenty of game time), and because Fergie has attempted to try a slightly different formation and style of football in the way we play (with Rooney playing deep of a front man). This has already been explained countless times in this thread.
Some don't use that stat line when they claim Tevez was better in 2008/09, when 1/4 of his goal haul came in one league cup match, and six overall in league cup play, and he only netted five total goals in league play.
Does it really matter when/how goals are scored? Bottom line is the club benefitted from any goal a player scores, be it a match-leveller, match-winner or just increasing the goal differential. If you want to go into the player not showing up for the "big matches," then that is a different debate.
I guess that's it, he certainly turned up for 4 matches though!
I almost think he never quite came to terms with his price tag, which was inflated by £5M or £6M by Shitty.