So you can't put up anything specific
I'll leave you to your one liners that have a trace of bile then
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So you can't put up anything specific
I'll leave you to your one liners that have a trace of bile then
There is simply no solution to all three of those beyond keeping the UK in the CU. The sooner everyone realizes this and stops making up alternatives the better. Actually, they don't even make up alternatives, they just say "there are" or "we'll figure them out".
Guess we'll have a chance to move up the Shadow Banking league table again this year then #itsouryearthisdoesnotslip
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Sorry now. Specifics have been put up to you by people more knowledgable than me on the specific subjects you're arguing about. I don't need to repeat them. You need to address them to retain any semblance of not being a WUM.
Yeah just came back from Belgium and not a freddo in sight. They haven't got a clue about chocolate. Or beer for that matter.
This isn't beyond civilised humans. Not easy, but not impossible.
2/ 3 years largely wasted, the same time again with the right mindsets and I have hope it would be solved.
Freddo's used to be 5p mate. Maybe once the UK is out of the EU and can use it's own whatnots and whatchamacallit's we'll get back to that price.
Neither is a Dyson sphere but we won't be building one of them any time soon because we've no idea how to.
If it's possible why has nobody been able to put across a solution then in the last 2 or 3 years? Don't you think someone would have been able to by now?
People in this thread are getting aggravated by you because you're saying all these things and offering no actual, tangible solutions, like the vast majority of leave-voters who've been in this thread over the last few years. Remainers are at least able to present facts and reasons when it comes to the issues facing the border, all you and other leavers are able to do is say "well, I'm sure there's a solution to it out there, if we all work together." It's pure fantasy-land, quite frankly.
I've offered some solutions to a problem, not perfect, but an start.
Brexit is going ahead. It's up to you if want to face up to that and offer something constructive, or fully embrace in negative defeatism
I've no interest in engaging in people in the latter category
Change Snickers back to Marathons. They have P-Nuts in (did you see what I did there?)fecking British chocolatethis thread has taken some weird turns lately
The irony
I know, right? Lob a bit of "The technology" at it and geronwivit.
The Tories don't want anything constructive. It's demonstrably in the interest of some of their leading lights to have a disaster Brexit from which they stand to personally gain and they're sleepwalking the countries towards it very deliberately.
No you haven't. You have not offered any solution to this, your own question.
Your response has simply been "well if we work together I'm sure we can figure it out". That's not a solution or part of a solution, that is wishful thinking.
I think this is fairly obvious now and also regrettable that the opposition are going to do nothing to prevent it destroying the people that they are supposed to represent. The perfect storm of wankers on both sides.
The problem is that you're making the same mistake as the UK negotiators did. That having half a plan means you can push ahead in the hope that the other half will work out in future. The problem being that this is a problem that must have a working solution, or else people could literally die if we crashed back to a hard border. There is no guarantee that a technological solution will work, and EU cannot accept an open border without it.
No-one has squared this circle, because it can't be done within the red lines both sides have.
51 days to go, no-one has a solution to the Irish border.
Thus we need an insurance policy just in case a solution isn't found. This is called the backstop which will expire when all parties agree that it is a workable solution.
What is so difficult to understand?
Thus we need an insurance policy just in case a solution isn't found. This is called the backstop which will expire when all parties agree that it is a workable solution.
What is so difficult to understand?
What happens if we can't find a workable solution in time?
Well that too, I was actually referring to this though:
And that's just on the last 5 pages.
@Bola don't even bother answering. Your posts are a waste of time.
Just sayin' it like it is.
Are you seriously trying to argue that an extra 2 years is needed as they've only had 2/3 months to get this done? The election was in 2016 ffs. Since then, the UK have not put forward a specific proposal to get a deal done - not one. Why would they get another 2 years to piss about?
To answer your question above, the current backstop proposal is the best interim solution, until such time as an agreement has been reached on trade.
What utter rubbish, or are you deflecting?
Whooosh.
It's important to remember that there are solutions to the irish border. They simply don't match with british politicians will.
What the actual feck are you on about
You know nothing whatsoever about beer, mate.Or chocolate.
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Yes, staying in Europe & stopping this shit.
Double whoooosh.What the actual feck are you on about
It will be somebody else's problem when these lot inevitably quit or get voted out in the next year. The likes of Mogg probably won't hesitate to just send the troops in, it's not him who's going to be a victim of potential troubles.
If the red lines don't change from May and the UK leaves then the backstop is the only possibility other than No deal. even with No deal the Uk are still responsible to respect international law.
There are solutions but none are wanted by the UK.
That's one of them, the other is to have NI in the CU/SM. Now of course the risk is that Scotland will want the same deal but is that really an issue? After all brexiteers are big on self determination.
Also, you have to wonder why Norway and Switzerland two pretty rich countries haven't found that mythical technology that replaces custom checks, they have had decades.
Yeah it's a really weird situation, there is no solution to the GFA and leaving the EU simultaneously without fecking something up.
Anyone hoping we're going to get a reasonable Brexit is dreaming. My reasons why;
1. It's in the EU's best interests to undermine Brexit. If it is a horrible shitshow, other nations won't want to try it. We're either going to get Mays non-Brexit or we're going to get No-deal Brexit.
2. JC is to weak a leader to take advantage and steer us away from Brexit - it's risky and he won't do it. He'd rather watch the car crash and then try to pounce afterwards hoping people are desperate enough to vote for him to deal with the aftermath.
3. I bet there are scores of multimillionaires who have brexit proofed their businesses and are waiting for a big no-deal brexit crash to happen, so they can pick up companies and property on the cheap. These people all probably fund the Tory party, or are Tory MP's.
1. It's in the EU's best interests to undermine Brexit. If it is a horrible shitshow, other nations won't want to try it. We're either going to get Mays non-Brexit or we're going to get No-deal Brexit.
2. JC is to weak a leader to take advantage and steer us away from Brexit - it's risky and he won't do it. He'd rather watch the car crash and then try to pounce afterwards hoping people are desperate enough to vote for him to deal with the aftermath.
3. I bet there are scores of multimillionaires who have brexit proofed their businesses and are waiting for a big no-deal brexit crash to happen, so they can pick up companies and property on the cheap. These people all probably fund the Tory party, or are Tory MP's.
I have a problem with the first point because after two years the EU hasn't undermined brexit and we still read that nonsense, it was daft then and it's even dafter now.
It's what i would do. I can't prove the EU is doing it - and they certainly wouldn't be overt about it if they were, but if i was in charge, i'd make it as difficult as possible.
You wouldn't because you don't need to. And your second sentence makes little sense due to a small fact that british media missed, the moment the UK are out they become competitors, EU nations will simply compete. The narrative of undermining and making it difficult is incredibly dishonest when the reason why the UK wants to leave is to create competitive advantages against the EU.
The facts are frankly simple, the EU didn't undermine brexit and brexit will put the UK on the other side of the table. It's the UK's decision.
That is not what sovereignty means.
It’s also completely stupid. Northern Ireland is a unique situation, so a bespoke agreement where they stayed in the Customs Union would be both hugely advantageous to NI and a big concession by the EU. Turning it down because of the DUP was ridiculous.