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It wouldn't be a concession for the EU and it would probably be good for NI. But I don't even care, this has absolutely nothing to do with the sovereignty of the UK, internal borders do not change the sovereign. Several EU members have part of their territories out of the EU's.
The talk is that people are more worried about a Corbyn led government than a no deal Brexit.
No need. With Ireland there is and need is the mother of invention. So something will be found. The question is when and what to do in the interim.
That's a stupid tweet from Tusk. All he's doing there is giving Brexiteer's fuel for their "blame the big bad EU" stance.
The feck?
Not letting Corbyn off the hook either by the sounds of it.
That stance resolutely resisted facts all the way so this is unlikely to change anything.
And let's face it, it's funny.
He's a patronising twat.The feck?
Like everything he and his crowd have done has been pre-planned to the last crossed 't' and dotted 'i'.
Greece was a juggernaut careering down the road towards them.
But they were caught with their fingers up their arses and brains in neutral.
This doesn't help.
This, coupled with what the Lithuanian PM said in Davos, sounds like the EU version of "gerronwithit". The 27 seem to be tired of the UK at this point.
There is always a need to make things easier and cheaper, so I'm not buying the need argument, particularly when you could apply it everywhere.
Failing to adequately prepare for and prevent a financial crisis is quite different to actively pushing for something without, y'know, knowing what that thing entails.
I agree it certainly doesn't help. But 1) it's funny and 2) at this point the only helpful thing is that the UK parliament comes up with a realistic option. Until that happens, nothing actually helps.
Maybe not. But such is the way of things. The GFA went to the wire - even overran by a day.
That's irrelevant, we are talking about inventing a technology not drafting an agreement.
Edit: And Tusk using twitter to vent, is stupid. A little bit of decorum can't hurt.
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And it will be invented. And probably constitute a blueprint for customs all over the world. My point is that pressure generally moves things along.
Any plan would have been better than "we'll get everything that we demand before we leave, trust us, the EU will blink first"
This entire thing is just a total shitshow. I'm out, just let us in the North of Ireland have our reunification referendum and we'll be on our way.And that's irrelevant to this conversation, this isn't about whether it will be invented in an unknown timeframe. We are talking about it being a thing in the next months and actually working in order to be used at a large scale.
Would it not help matters for NI if all its politicians got back to Stormont and started to govern the place again?
At the moment it seems Britain and the EU are making the decisions (or not!) it is assumed any reunification referendum would surely have to involve and have the consent of both North and South, hence to avoid making the mistake of Brexit there would have to be something more than a binary choice on offer? Or are we way past this stage now?
I don't like this any more than you but there is an awful lot of standing on the sidelines and hand-wringing on this thread. All this 'pointing out' to us thick Brits by you, Paul and others is not helping.
We have a parliamentary system in this country that is one of the oldest on the planet and has been the blueprint for countless other democracies.
We had a democratic referendum. Now you can argue until you are blue in the face about whether it should have taken place or what the question should have been or what leave meant.
But by making comments like that Tusk is not just insulting the Brexiters he's laughing at 17.4 million British people. This will be meat and drink to the hard-liners.
Look, this thing will be sorted one way or another. What the fallout will be, nobody knows. I fear the worst. But it will be sorted and the world will move on.
It's party time in mainland Europe on 30th March.
So the daily jibes and insults from British Brexit politicians are OK, as soon as someone makes a sarcastic remark the Brexiters get so upset.
He has the patience of a saint dealing with the idiots he's had to deal with for the past two years.
Perhaps you can have another one in a few years when Italy goes too.
It's not the first time that you do this posturing nonsense after making irrelevant posts. None of what you just wrote is even remotely relevant to the post you responded to.
Only the Uk are leaving.
Thats for Farage, surely ?The feck?
You wrote a very good post on the relationship between our two countries yesterday John but I disagree with your stance today.
The rest of Europe has pandered to Britain's stupidity for years on this issue and we've sleptwalked into this mess by letting many of your politicians and electorate away with rank stupidity.
Patience has come to an end. People are sick of being insulted by and having fruitless, repetitive arguments with idiots.
Tusk has been working tirelessly on this front day one. He has negotiated in good faith and offered concessions and solutions where he could while his British counterparts have been fecking about, steadfastly refusing to grasp the issues at hand and arguing among themselves while neglecting to offer anything like a coherent plan.
You call him arrogant for understanding the situation and growing frustrated when senior politicians who have been tasked with sorting this mess for years still don't.
Nobody outside Britain has an ounce of faith that this will sort itself out in the way you seem to, because everyone has spent the last 2-3 years watching your inept politicians grab the wrong end of the stick at every single opportunity they've been given.
My post is not irrelevant. And I am not posturing. Just like all negotiations a way will have to be found. It will inevitably involve compromise. Technology may be a part of that whether it is here now or whether it is a commitment to find it. Some can-do would not go a miss. But that is clearly missing from your vocabulary.
Of course you are posturing, you moved a conversation about the current existence of a technology into a post where you targeted me personally on things that I didn't say or think and you did it again in this post.
We are talking about having an agreement that works today, we can move to something else when the technology exist but we need to have an agreement and process today. At no point did I say that the technology would never exist.
It seems to be a recurring trend in this thread that saying “we can do this” and “a positive attitude would work wonders” will apparently make a solution to all the issues at hand magically appear. All it takes is a stiff upper lip and a ‘can do’ attitude!
On what basis should the rest of the EU trust any UK commitment "to find it"?
We're no closer to finding it today then when it was first put forward in the brexit debate some four years ago. Now you can claim that you believe it will be found soon, but if you don't make any arguments for that being the case, why should we believe it?
Another Brexiter in disguise. Fox, Davis, Farage etc. used the tone much harder than this and were mocking the EU right, left, center but once someone responds in the similar manner you can't take it? In fact, he never insulted those people that voted to leave but rather quite clearly suggests those who PROMOTED (i.e. politicians) no-plan brexit? Try reading next time.
I voted to stay. Everything inn my life past present and future was a part of that decision. I was furious with the result. I am furious with our politicians. But I am old enough to appreciate that nobody has the right to call their way the best way and to call anyone who decides not to follow it a stupid idiot. Plus like her or loathe her Theresa May has put in just as much of a shift as Tusk. Remember, for the EU this is something, for the UK it is everything.
Ireland should not have to compromise on peace because England wants something it doesn't understand. In very general terms - it's your decision to leave and you should be the one compromising.
Nobody has simply turned around and said that - maybe we all should have from the beginning but for whatever reason, Europe has worked tirelessly to try and help Britain towards a better solution. Everyone else has compromised and put the effort in to help out.
There was a proposal agreed upon in which your only "compromise" left Northern Ireland in arguably a stronger position than it was before this entire process started. You reneged on that agreement because there are elements within your political establishment who just want to watch the world burn.
Making out like this is anyone elses fault but the British is disingenuous and wrong.
I'm not a Brexiteer and I did read what Tusk said. It is not helpful to stoop to the level of Farage.
I'm not calling anyone an idiot for disagreeing with "my way". I'm calling them idiots for signing up for something they didn't understand, for reasons they still don't understand because of the empty words and promises of other idiots who don't understand anything.
OK. Well I predict that the outcome will be movement on the backstop that incorporates a commitment to technology. Let's see.
Yes, but you seem to be overly emotional for someone who voted remain regarding this matter. Then explain me how you came to conclusion he insulted 17 million people who voted to leave if he was referring to politicians primarily who promoted it without a workable plan at hand?
Absolutely it would. Brexit didn't cause the collapse of the executive but it's certainly getting in the way of restoring it for various reasons.
Any reunification referendum would need consent of both North and South and support for it in the South has always been very high. Anecdotally I can say that some fairly soft unionists have started to wonder about what the reality of reunification would be like for them, something that would never have really been a consideration before Brexit. A no-deal is a game changer for me, I've always been a nationalist fairly comfortable living under the UK jurisdiction with an Irish identity especially since the GFA. The idea of a no-deal Brexit is starting shake that comfort as I imagine it is for most nationalists here and whereas I would always have voted for reunification if and when a referendum came along I was never really of a mind to agitate for one, Brexit is changing that.
And you see while I have no issue with your prediction, it's irrelevant to the point that was made. Currently you have people that don't want the backstop and want to immediately replace it with a technology that doesn't exist in their Max fac.