I've got personal and professional experience with people like you trying to intimidate me to change my opinion based on your wishes and flying unicorns. I am sorry to say you've hit a brick wall.
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I've got personal and professional experience with people like you trying to intimidate me to change my opinion based on your wishes and flying unicorns. I am sorry to say you've hit a brick wall.
I'm not trying to intimidate anyone, merely counter responding to childish dig.
North is relative. The regional areas voting to leave are, without exception, to the South of me.
Responding to a factual statement about inflation with a random comment on cigarettes is not what I call responding in a logical way.
On the other point, mocking economic forecasts has been adopted by the Leave camp as a modus operandi and they have got away with it for far too long.
I wonder if you have seen the Big Short. The attitude towards someone who thinks things are about to get a whole lot worse is not too dissimilar. It'll be years before the severity of Brexit is felt. And to think the people trusted with taking back control are those same conservative toffs who would not allow more house building because their rich electors might be unhappy their peace has been disturbed despite the fact young people cannot afford a simple house.
Ok here goes, and this isn't a post for or against Brexit.
Firstly the referendum was a national vote. Yes, you could find differences in voting patterns by looking at geographical areas, but both Leave and Remain still had substantial percentages of people voting their way in all areas of the country, and all individual votes counted the same.
Secondly, as for poor economic conditions in the North, however you define that, try also looking at rural poverty and the lack of decently-paying jobs across the nation, such as the Southwest, or East Anglia; or look at conditions in the god-awful sink estates of London itself, which are just about the worst of the lot.
Maybe you'd fare better if you generalised a little less?
Fair point. Most of everything is North to me but I was referring to places like Sunderland.
The world is changing the EU needs to change too, that's why we are seeing stricter border controls and passport checks on interland travel. Did you read the interviews yesterday with Martin Schulz and Jeroen Dijselbloem, they painted a very grim picture of the EU and its failings and these are 2 big players.
If it'll be years before hardship is felt then you have time to prepare, how different do you think it will be to the usual boom and bust 7 year cycles we have seen since forever?
Here's a taster for you rightnr
The so-called Bratislava roadmap, announced in September, suggested a way forward for the EU, but was full of dull phrases such as: “The EU is not perfect but it is the best instrument we have for addressing the new challenges we are facing”, and “broaden EU consensus on long-term migration policy and apply the principles of responsibility and solidarity”.
Few eye-catching initiatives have been scheduled for 2017, as leaders both national and supranational concentrate instead on keeping the project together and stopping the rot.
Jeroen Dijsselbloem, the Dutch finance minister, captured the feeling when he said one of the reasons behind Europe’s vulnerability was a failure to complete ambitious changes. “We start projects but never really seem to finish them,”
The so-called Bratislava roadmap, announced in September, suggested a way forward for the EU, but was full of dull phrases such as: “The EU is not perfect but it is the best instrument we have for addressing the new challenges we are facing”, and “broaden EU consensus on long-term migration policy and apply the principles of responsibility and solidarity”.
Few eye-catching initiatives have been scheduled for 2017, as leaders both national and supranational concentrate instead on keeping the project together and stopping the rot.
Jeroen Dijsselbloem, the Dutch finance minister, captured the feeling when he said one of the reasons behind Europe’s vulnerability was a failure to complete ambitious changes. “We start projects but never really seem to finish them,”
Yes, a rather odd summary there. A mix of anti-north and 'silly poor people'. As Rightner might be able to see from this map, the Leave vote didn't begin at Watford Gap.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/23/leave-or-remain-eu-referendum-results-and-live-maps/
Not sure why some here assume I'm Juncker's family. When the referendum was first announced I wasn't even sure which way I would go if I could vote.
But having seen the appalling lies and industrial scale of demagogy from the Conservative extremists, it was clear what I would do.
I also don't think anyone defends the EU as perfect but that is a far cry from shouting the EU must be destroyed and so potentially endanger the stability of Europe, as that excuse for a politician Farage has been shouting whilst collecting tax payers' money all these years.
I, for one, think the CAP is horrendous but you don't always get everything you want and some people in the UK seem to have a problem coming to terms with that reality even though whinging is not well liked in the UK. Pretty ironic considering the whole Leave campaign instituted whinging as a natutional past time for the coming decades.
Just today China has cooled on selling their debt through London which is another blow to the fantasy of a UK opened to the world. How can someone proclaim to be opened to the world when you cannot get on with your closest neighbours?
But having seen the appalling lies and industrial scale of demagogy from the Conservative extremists, it was clear what I would do.
I also don't think anyone defends the EU as perfect but that is a far cry from shouting the EU must be destroyed and so potentially endanger the stability of Europe, as that excuse for a politician Farage has been shouting whilst collecting tax payers' money all these years.
I, for one, think the CAP is horrendous but you don't always get everything you want and some people in the UK seem to have a problem coming to terms with that reality even though whinging is not well liked in the UK. Pretty ironic considering the whole Leave campaign instituted whinging as a natutional past time for the coming decades.
Just today China has cooled on selling their debt through London which is another blow to the fantasy of a UK opened to the world. How can someone proclaim to be opened to the world when you cannot get on with your closest neighbours?
I'm fairly ambivalent about the whole thing, but I can't help but argue for the exit folks sometimes, your tosh is just about what you can expect from the Remain campaign. Basically ridicule the Brexit folks, without coming up with any real meat on the economic argument for remain other than recycling the same shit from financial institutions who have a vested interests for the UK to remain.
Nice bandwagoning there. My post is a summary based on what I have seen from the Leave side in this thread over a number of pages.
Plenty of people have tried giving proper answers and got ridiculed. Seems like making fun of others is exclusive to the Leave side but when it comes to them, their poor souls can't take it.
Plenty of people have tried giving proper answers and got ridiculed. Seems like making fun of others is exclusive to the Leave side but when it comes to them, their poor souls can't take it.
So the lies of Cameron swayed you more than the lies of Boris and gove?
When 2 big feet in the EU come out and say its fecked then its fecked., no matter what we think
The worst are the faux-remainers
Absolutely not. I have knowledge of the EU from more than just the referendum campaign. University for one and just general interest in the topic ever since I have been an adult which ties in nicely with wider European history.
I was very disappointed by the referendum campaign, on both sides. However, I felt the burden was on the Leave side to prove there was a future outside the EU given the UK economy was in good shape. All I saw were lies and lack of planning combined with Murdoch lackeys trying to take back control for their Fox News overlord.
Its not about history anymore, its about economics, unfairness and disappointment .
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38540813
Someone should explain to him that this is what happens when you feed the xenophobic monster
Brexit means brexit. He can make a success out of it
Someone should explain to him that this is what happens when you feed the xenophobic monster
Brexit means brexit. He can make a success out of it
Brexit will save him money and cost the tories. win win
The Tories are a sorry excuse for a party. The only thing that seems to unite them is lust for power. That seems to be enough currently, unfortunately.
Its always been the way with any politician, just look at Tsipras in Greece, a total turncoat.
Economists have completely failed us. They’re no better than Mystic Meg
On Brexit and the 2008 crash their predictions – distorted by politics – were utterly wrong. The profession owes the public an inquest and an apology
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...onomists-economic-policy-brexit-crash-failure
On Brexit and the 2008 crash their predictions – distorted by politics – were utterly wrong. The profession owes the public an inquest and an apology
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...onomists-economic-policy-brexit-crash-failure
Read that. But if we wait long enough their predictions will be right. Economy is bound to tank sometime cos that's how boom and bust economies work, then they can say "told you so" and blame it on Brexit.
We're still waiting, they should have devised a plan by the time May takes her old age pension
Who needs plans when you can just wing it
I thought winging it was the plan
Egg Sack LeeI thought winging it was the plan
Jamie Oliver has just announced he's shutting 6 restaurants, apparently due to Brexit lol, cue any failing business blamed on brexit 
Well actually they saidJamie Oliver has just announced he's shutting 6 restaurants, apparently due to Brexit lol, cue any failing business blamed on brexit
And even the most ukippy types must accept that there has been a pretty big fall in the exchange rate
And also they said in general the trading conditions were tough... just that Brexit (ie exchange rate uncertainty was an extra factor)... they never said it was the reason / sole cause
Heard that yesterday, he obviously doesn't read pauls postsJamie Oliver has just announced he's shutting 6 restaurants, apparently due to Brexit lol, cue any failing business blamed on brexit
there has been a big drop in the strength of the pound, but it's not at an all time low, pretty shit excuse from oliver
I've read poor reviews of his restaurants and would never want to line his pockets. He should look closer to home.
He'll probably have to close the lot when the Uk finally leave as it will be difficult selling pork pies and steak and kidney pies in an Italian restaurant
Well I've canned a several million pound factory we were building and we are now building in france also had to let over a quarter of our staff go due to the fall in the pound so yeah it matters quite a lot actually.
I mean you don't price your goods based on 1930s exchange rates do you...
We are currently pricing at parity for 3 month + which is over a 40% difference to less than a year ago
In fairness there was so much salt in the pasta we had we sent it back and have never even considered going back there so there may be some truth in that... though I think the majority of his restaurants still make money
Of course it does, but what do you think the impact of XR is on his business, please elaborate? People, and buildings are the biggest costs, and the ingredients are mostly sourced locally, no? He is a big advocate of locally sourced ingredients, see his populist campaigning. Stop clutching at straws and admit that it's disingenuous to say the least to blame his restaurant closures on brexit?
I've never actually eaten at one of his joints and there's one about 15 mins walk away from us. I just have an irrational dislike of the man.
It's disingenuous to say that's what he blamed it on actually... if you look at what they said they talk about footfall at those restaurants (note they are keeping 40 open and opening 22 more this year) they simply added that in the struggling restaurants the increased uncertainty and cost of ingredients was one factor in the decision
So the headline becomes he is closing because of Brexit and some people are stuipd enough just believe thats the truth and that he must be a remoaner blah blah blah
As every restaurant owner knows, this is a tough market and post-Brexit the pressures and unknowns have made it even harder,” said Simon Blagden, chief executive of the Jamie Oliver Restaurant Group.
So no link to Brexit then......