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It's knowing you are always right that is a problem for remain voters

Did you ever hear the story about the boy who cried wolf? It's a goodn

I've got personal and professional experience with people like you trying to intimidate me to change my opinion based on your wishes and flying unicorns. I am sorry to say you've hit a brick wall.
 
I've got personal and professional experience with people like you trying to intimidate me to change my opinion based on your wishes and flying unicorns. I am sorry to say you've hit a brick wall.
I'm not trying to intimidate anyone, merely counter responding to childish dig.
 
On another note, I noticed 10p increases on two items in my shop yesterday which constitutes anything between 5 to 10% inflation. Those take back control loving people in the north might be in for a nasty wake-up call.
North is relative. The regional areas voting to leave are, without exception, to the South of me.
 
I'm not trying to intimidate anyone, merely counter responding to childish dig.

Responding to a factual statement about inflation with a random comment on cigarettes is not what I call responding in a logical way.

On the other point, mocking economic forecasts has been adopted by the Leave camp as a modus operandi and they have got away with it for far too long.

I wonder if you have seen the Big Short. The attitude towards someone who thinks things are about to get a whole lot worse is not too dissimilar. It'll be years before the severity of Brexit is felt. And to think the people trusted with taking back control are those same conservative toffs who would not allow more house building because their rich electors might be unhappy their peace has been disturbed despite the fact young people cannot afford a simple house.
 
Well, seeing as they go on about the poor economic conditions in the North compared to the South, you'd think they would feel the impact more heavily. I personally will be fine but it's never nice to see people inflict pain on themselves unknowingly.

I am obviously generalising here.

Ok here goes, and this isn't a post for or against Brexit.

Firstly the referendum was a national vote. Yes, you could find differences in voting patterns by looking at geographical areas, but both Leave and Remain still had substantial percentages of people voting their way in all areas of the country, and all individual votes counted the same.

Secondly, as for poor economic conditions in the North, however you define that, try also looking at rural poverty and the lack of decently-paying jobs across the nation, such as the Southwest, or East Anglia; or look at conditions in the god-awful sink estates of London itself, which are just about the worst of the lot.

I can compare a conversation on economics with someone who believes in Brexit to arguing with a child who every time you rebuke the point goes on saying nah-nah-nah and sticking their tongue out. You just cannot win even if you know you're right.

Maybe you'd fare better if you generalised a little less?
 
North is relative. The regional areas voting to leave are, without exception, to the South of me.

Fair point. Most of everything is North to me but I was referring to places like Sunderland.
 
On the other point, mocking economic forecasts has been adopted by the Leave camp as a modus operandi and they have got away with it for far too long.

I wonder if you have seen the Big Short. The attitude towards someone who thinks things are about to get a whole lot worse is not too dissimilar. It'll be years before the severity of Brexit is felt. And to think the people trusted with taking back control are those same conservative toffs who would not allow more house building because their rich electors might be unhappy their peace has been disturbed despite the fact young people cannot afford a simple house.

The world is changing the EU needs to change too, that's why we are seeing stricter border controls and passport checks on interland travel. Did you read the interviews yesterday with Martin Schulz and Jeroen Dijselbloem, they painted a very grim picture of the EU and its failings and these are 2 big players.

If it'll be years before hardship is felt then you have time to prepare, how different do you think it will be to the usual boom and bust 7 year cycles we have seen since forever?
 
Here's a taster for you rightnr

The so-called Bratislava roadmap, announced in September, suggested a way forward for the EU, but was full of dull phrases such as: “The EU is not perfect but it is the best instrument we have for addressing the new challenges we are facing”, and “broaden EU consensus on long-term migration policy and apply the principles of responsibility and solidarity”.

Few eye-catching initiatives have been scheduled for 2017, as leaders both national and supranational concentrate instead on keeping the project together and stopping the rot.

Jeroen Dijsselbloem, the Dutch finance minister, captured the feeling when he said one of the reasons behind Europe’s vulnerability was a failure to complete ambitious changes. “We start projects but never really seem to finish them,”
 
Not sure why some here assume I'm Juncker's family. When the referendum was first announced I wasn't even sure which way I would go if I could vote.

But having seen the appalling lies and industrial scale of demagogy from the Conservative extremists, it was clear what I would do.

I also don't think anyone defends the EU as perfect but that is a far cry from shouting the EU must be destroyed and so potentially endanger the stability of Europe, as that excuse for a politician Farage has been shouting whilst collecting tax payers' money all these years.

I, for one, think the CAP is horrendous but you don't always get everything you want and some people in the UK seem to have a problem coming to terms with that reality even though whinging is not well liked in the UK. Pretty ironic considering the whole Leave campaign instituted whinging as a natutional past time for the coming decades.

Just today China has cooled on selling their debt through London which is another blow to the fantasy of a UK opened to the world. How can someone proclaim to be opened to the world when you cannot get on with your closest neighbours?
 
As I keep insisting, Brexiteers' insistence on laughing at what they deem 'false' forecasts, instead of focussing on the core underlying expectations and assumptions just reveals a total lack of knowledge and awareness of economic sciences.

I can compare a conversation on economics with someone who believes in Brexit to arguing with a child who every time you rebuke the point goes on saying nah-nah-nah and sticking their tongue out. You just cannot win even if you know you're right.

I'm fairly ambivalent about the whole thing, but I can't help but argue for the exit folks sometimes, your tosh is just about what you can expect from the Remain campaign. Basically ridicule the Brexit folks, without coming up with any real meat on the economic argument for remain other than recycling the same shit from financial institutions who have a vested interests for the UK to remain.
 
Nice bandwagoning there. My post is a summary based on what I have seen from the Leave side in this thread over a number of pages.

Plenty of people have tried giving proper answers and got ridiculed. Seems like making fun of others is exclusive to the Leave side but when it comes to them, their poor souls can't take it.
 
Nice bandwagoning there. My post is a summary based on what I have seen from the Leave side in this thread over a number of pages.

Plenty of people have tried giving proper answers and got ridiculed. Seems like making fun of others is exclusive to the Leave side but when it comes to them, their poor souls can't take it.

When 2 big feet in the EU come out and say its fecked then its fecked., no matter what we think
 
Nice bandwagoning there. My post is a summary based on what I have seen from the Leave side in this thread over a number of pages.

Plenty of people have tried giving proper answers and got ridiculed. Seems like making fun of others is exclusive to the Leave side but when it comes to them, their poor souls can't take it.

The worst are the faux-remainers
 
So the lies of Cameron swayed you more than the lies of Boris and gove?

Absolutely not. I have knowledge of the EU from more than just the referendum campaign. University for one and just general interest in the topic ever since I have been an adult which ties in nicely with wider European history.

I was very disappointed by the referendum campaign, on both sides. However, I felt the burden was on the Leave side to prove there was a future outside the EU given the UK economy was in good shape. All I saw were lies and lack of planning combined with Murdoch lackeys trying to take back control for their Fox News overlord.
 
The Tories are a sorry excuse for a party. The only thing that seems to unite them is lust for power. That seems to be enough currently, unfortunately.
 
The Tories are a sorry excuse for a party. The only thing that seems to unite them is lust for power. That seems to be enough currently, unfortunately.
Its always been the way with any politician, just look at Tsipras in Greece, a total turncoat.
 
Read that. But if we wait long enough their predictions will be right. Economy is bound to tank sometime cos that's how boom and bust economies work, then they can say "told you so" and blame it on Brexit.
 
Read that. But if we wait long enough their predictions will be right. Economy is bound to tank sometime cos that's how boom and bust economies work, then they can say "told you so" and blame it on Brexit.

We're still waiting, they should have devised a plan by the time May takes her old age pension
 
Jamie Oliver has just announced he's shutting 6 restaurants, apparently due to Brexit lol, cue any failing business blamed on brexit :lol:
 
Jamie Oliver has just announced he's shutting 6 restaurants, apparently due to Brexit lol, cue any failing business blamed on brexit :lol:
Well actually they said
The price of ingredients bought in Italy has gone up because of the fall in the value of the pound against the euro since the vote to leave the EU
And even the most ukippy types must accept that there has been a pretty big fall in the exchange rate

And also they said in general the trading conditions were tough... just that Brexit (ie exchange rate uncertainty was an extra factor)... they never said it was the reason / sole cause

The company said that the market was "tough" and the uncertainties caused by Brexit had intensified the pressures.
 
Well actually they said

And even the most ukippy types must accept that there has been a pretty big fall in the exchange rate

there has been a big drop in the strength of the pound, but it's not at an all time low, pretty shit excuse from oliver
 
there has been a big drop in the strength of the pound, but it's not at an all time low

Well I've canned a several million pound factory we were building and we are now building in france also had to let over a quarter of our staff go due to the fall in the pound so yeah it matters quite a lot actually.

I mean you don't price your goods based on 1930s exchange rates do you...

We are currently pricing at parity for 3 month + which is over a 40% difference to less than a year ago
 
I've read poor reviews of his restaurants and would never want to line his pockets. He should look closer to home.
In fairness there was so much salt in the pasta we had we sent it back and have never even considered going back there so there may be some truth in that... though I think the majority of his restaurants still make money
 
Well I've canned a several million pound factory we were building and we are now building in france also had to let over a quarter of our staff go due to the fall in the pound so yeah it matters quite a lot actually.

Of course it does, but what do you think the impact of XR is on his business, please elaborate? People, and buildings are the biggest costs, and the ingredients are mostly sourced locally, no? He is a big advocate of locally sourced ingredients, see his populist campaigning. Stop clutching at straws and admit that it's disingenuous to say the least to blame his restaurant closures on brexit?
 
In fairness there was so much salt in the pasta we had we sent it back and have never even considered going back there so there may be some truth in that... though I think the majority of his restaurants still make money
I've never actually eaten at one of his joints and there's one about 15 mins walk away from us. I just have an irrational dislike of the man.
 
Of course it does, but what do you think the impact of XR is on his business, please elaborate? People, and buildings are the biggest costs, and the ingredients are mostly sourced locally, no? He is a big advocate of locally sourced ingredients, see his populist campaigning. Stop clutching at straws and admit that it's disingenuous to say the least to blame his restaurant closures on brexit?
It's disingenuous to say that's what he blamed it on actually... if you look at what they said they talk about footfall at those restaurants (note they are keeping 40 open and opening 22 more this year) they simply added that in the struggling restaurants the increased uncertainty and cost of ingredients was one factor in the decision
So the headline becomes he is closing because of Brexit and some people are stuipd enough just believe thats the truth and that he must be a remoaner blah blah blah
 
It's disingenuous to say that's what he blamed it on actually... if you look at what they said they talk about footfall at those restaurants (note they are keeping 40 open and opening 22 more this year) they simply added that in the struggling restaurants the increased uncertainty and cost of ingredients was one factor in the decision
So the headline becomes he is closing because of Brexit and some people are stuipd enough just believe thats the truth and that he must be a remoaner blah blah blah


As every restaurant owner knows, this is a tough market and post-Brexit the pressures and unknowns have made it even harder,” said Simon Blagden, chief executive of the Jamie Oliver Restaurant Group.


So no link to Brexit then......