That'd be me in the main
Plus characters like Junk turn my stomach, hes one of many.
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That'd be me in the main
Plus characters like Junk turn my stomach, hes one of many.
One of the big errors that we liberals have made is to conflate free movement and high levels of immigration. They're linked of course but not the same thing. One is just a mechanism that leads to the other. But its not the only mechanism. Its entirely possible to have total control of your borders and a high level of immigration. You just choose to have high levels of immigration, and in which categories, rather than leave it to chance.
Just look at Canada, with perhaps the most liberal attitude to immigration of any major country in the world right now but with a full points system and border controls. There's no contradiction there.
People don't know nowhere near enough about the EU to have the chance to form an opinion of discontent. All they know about the EU is those pesky Poles down that new foreign shop on the high street.
Let's name and shame these directives by the oppresive EU.
I think you underestimate people.
People here employ a lot of poles to do building / decorating work cos they're cheap. To say this hasn't had an effect on local builders in Holland is simply a lie.
To quote some remainers on here, its a race to the bottom.
I employ a local guy that does it cash in hand, its the only way he can compete.
It's capitalism at its best. Supply and demand. Forces of the free market in action. It's the consumers that are the winners in all this.
If local traders want to compete they should lower their prices. Why should they have a "monopoly" on their trade and charge whatever they like?
At least the Poles are paying their taxes.
In the US, following Theresa May’s indication that the UK could start tearing down trade barriers between it and the US even before Britain leaves the EU, Donald Trump has said he will pursue bilateral trade deals that include clauses to allow a 30-day termination notice.
“Believe me, we’re going to have a lot of trade deals,” the US president told a gathering of Republican lawmakers. “If that particular country doesn’t treat us fairly, we send them a 30-day termination, notice of termination.”
Is May firstly going to break the law, then is she going to sell her soul for a deal with a 30 day termination period?
“Believe me, we’re going to have a lot of trade deals,” the US president told a gathering of Republican lawmakers. “If that particular country doesn’t treat us fairly, we send them a 30-day termination, notice of termination.”
Is May firstly going to break the law, then is she going to sell her soul for a deal with a 30 day termination period?
But they are still Poles at the end of the day so they are the problem you know.
Simply because remainers argument in this thread is that.....
Wages don't get driven down
Uk wants a race to the bottom and they are against that
If they cant see this then it just confirms my opinion of them.
You know that for sure? You're good
Nowt wrong with poles, are you racist?
It cannot legally, although there is obviously some grey area around this. Again, if the UK is seen to be sticking two fingers up to the EU and negotiating independent trade deals before it has left, it will further damage the chances of a positive deal with the EU27. If we have no deal with the EU in place when leave, and no transitional arrangement, that will lead to total economic chaos for the UK.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...hs-us-trade-deal-brexit-torture-a7548156.html
Yeah but we got our country back
Bank of England study revealed that when immigration in a certain sector rises by 10% wages are driven down by 0.3% so a tradesman earning about £50k would see a reduction of about £150.
What it does though it helps to boost the economy and adds to the tax pot meaning kore money for the people and for the government meaning more soending and more work for both immigrants and locals.
Furthermore immigration is what has driven the housing and construction sector in Britain for decades. The Wimpey in George Wimpey used to be jokingly said to stand for We Import More Paddies Each Year and the Irish used to say backwards it was You English Pigs Make Irishmen Work. Or so I was told the story goes by and old Irish builder.
Really, if they're self employed they won't be, like most Brits.
Why do you think the self employed don't pay their taxes?
I know a lot of them.
Can we send them back?
Most of them are Brits.
So it's not all the immigrants fault then. I think you meant to say they're all Brits too.
I'm curious what do they do for housing, finance, credit etc.
Ok I'll shoot for 2 not being an expert. There's a directive that limits species of seeds that can be sold, many types of flowers and plants seeds can't be sold legally in the EU now. My mum a keen gardner was really really annoyed about that one. There's a directive that stops any new nutritional supplements coming onto the market that haven't been there already.
Are you talking about the proposed seed law that was withdrawn in 2015?
Regarding food supplements there is only a directive that limits the maximum amount allowed and governs labelling because they are dangerous if taken in excess.
If you have the directive numbers we can check them properly but I do doubt either exists especially the latter.
No I didn't. Why would you presume that?
Because immigrants coming to this country need credit to build their lives and no financial institution is going to lend to someone who doesn't make enough money to even pay taxes.
That's why I asked you that question.
The vast majority of UK builders work for cash in hand all or some of the time. I know someone that has never paid income tax in their life but has a mortgage. I know other builders that do pay tax but they always supplement their earnings with off the books work.
It's a bit rich for that category to complain about immigrants putting pressure on services.
Brokers are to blame for these kind of people getting credit. They cook the docs needed and the banks don't really care to check properly because the mortgage advisors have targets and bonuses to reach and the underwriters are completely detached from the local branches and even the country in some cases.
I know of a case where someone got a loan in one branch and used it as a deposit for a mortgage in the other. Same bank!! But that's another discussion.
My brief look couldn't find the details of the directives I'm afraid. I'm pretty sure food supplements not registered after a certain date are disallowed now though. The seeds directive you maybe correct with and it's good thing if it's been stopped but the fact it's even been proposed is concerning. Not that couldn't happen in a sovereign country anyway.
How can you get a mortgage without proof of income after self certs were banned? Genuine interest here.
By inventing a story to prove some point
I wouldn't know. I didn't fill out this persons mortgage application. When were self certs banned, they have had that mortgage for ten of fifteen years.
Besides there was a report on Radio 4 the other day about shady companies arranging fake payslips to get spousal visas. Look it up on iplayer, these companies advertise on gumtree.
@Stanley Road
Are you that naive that you don't think indigenous Brits don't avoid tax when they can? Most people avoid tax if they can.
You implied that Poles were paying tax, hence my comment.
I work in the construction industry too and I have never heard a single complaint of a problem with Polish builders undercutting the market from indigenous Brit builders.
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Sad testament to our position that we have alienated our closest neighbors that we have to go cap in hand to this lunatic in the US. Shame on us.
I imagine a lot of business will come to Dublin, and it'll turn into a very important financial centre.
Which sounds great on paper until you come here and realise we don't have remotely enough housing for the people already here, let alone those who are going to come in.
It's already one of the most unaffordable cities in the world and it's going to get worse with Brexit.
They were banned during the credit crunch I think. I guess the answer is getting a dodgy broker who'll take a few percent off the top and commit mortgage fraud into the bargain. The fake payslips con is definitely fraud you could do prison for. Crazy really, going to prison trying to move to a good school area for your kids, while pedos get community service.
Anyway cheers for the advice mate.
Bully for you
So lets not here any fecking moaning about uk as a tax free haven when Junk has already done that in Lux and has blocked eu laws to clamp down on it.
feckin hypocrites
Christ, I am not advising you to look at getting some fake payslips. The report I listened to was about illegal immigration and how easy it was to get people brought over on a spousal visa even if you didn't qualify by earning £18.6k a year.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/educatio...teacher-recruitment-drive/?ncid=newsletter-uk
They didn't think this through, did they?
Damn these broadsheets and their political agendas.
They didn't think this through, did they?
Damn these broadsheets and their political agendas.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38768383
So the party whip is going to rebel against a three line whip.
So the party whip is going to rebel against a three line whip.
I work in theatre and while im lucky to have a contracted job most people i meet are self employed due to the nature of the business, and i can say the amount of tax they pay is minute, thier are so many loop holes, from the amount of things you can write off to cash in hand jobs.
Thier issue does come when you try and do things like get a mortgage, but their are ways round that it, from example i know people who have set them selves up as a limited company, paid them self a wage below the tax freshhold, then get the rest of the money by paying it a percentage off profit on the business that they can off set.... don't ask me how that works it beyond me.... but the upside of this means it becomes easier for them to get credit.
I don't think this issue has anything to do with immigration, as it is been taken advantage of by immigrants and brits alike.
I also don't want to bash the self-employed, we live in a country where full time contracted work is like gold dust and if they can get work for themselves then good for them, and it isn't like small company's taking advantage of loop holes in tax is even in the same conversation as some of the massive corporations that literally avoid paying billions.
But then the government and councils waste billions on projects that don't need doing and ignore projects that do.
So Tax is an issue across the board, and while i have issues with the current immigration system, they are not in anyway related to tax
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38768383
So the party whip is going to rebel against a three line whip.
Only one of the whips, and a junior one at that, but its still very unusual.
That said, he has no choice really. He's my MP, in an overwhelmingly Remain constituency that includes Didsbury and the Islington-in-the-North that is Chorlton, along with a massive student population. Voters here have a habit of kicking out MPs they don't like. The previous Labour MP got kicked out in 2005 for voting in favour of the Iraq war. Then the Lib Dem MP got kicked out at the last election as part of the Lib Dem backlash. I strongly suspect that if Jeff voted for A50 his seat would be at risk.