Exactly. We'll see how long that lasts when the wheels start seriously coming off though.
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Exactly. We'll see how long that lasts when the wheels start seriously coming off though.
Is there really anything people who want to remain can do ? Both major political parties have to stick to leaving as if they change a large part of their voting base disappears(The people fighting to remain are actually just fighting for things to go back to 2015, which clearly isn't very popular). The EU itself is a pretty obscure being, there's no solid ideas that people could go out and campaign for(Which was the biggest problem of the Remain campaign). And then the biggest problem, your arguing against a democratic referendum.
It's a tough tough sell.
yes keep shouting about it, protest, take co-ordinated work walkouts, anything but accept that half the country is allowed to feck you up the ass without even having the decency to lube up first
Because most of the remain side at the national level have done the same thing.
Maybe I guess but have you seen the pro eu marches, it's very very odd
There's no way this type of stuff can catch on with the general public(I'm not sure I would want it to)
Hold on your saying Vince Cable new image didn't work.
It doesn't make the slightest bit of sense for the two big parties to both be supporting leave though. Sure if Labour came out for staying then they would lose some votes. Yet why don't we think the same would happen to the conservatives with their remain voters changing to Labour? There's very clear things to campaign on, such as not wanting to explode the economy. As for the last point, perhaps if the 'democratic referendum' had actually been a truthful and informed debate instead of a pack of bloody lies, then it would be worth respecting.
Didn't Milband pretty much give people this option and was utterly rejected. Your asking people who happily voted for a arsehole like Cameron to switch over to Corbyn just based on staying in the EU, plus UKIP could pop up again.
This hasn't happened.......yet. So firstly people can and will just say that it's scaremongering, secondly the people who are saying the economy will explode are (Or at the very least perceived)as the same people who have been cutting hospital funding, causing the rise of food banks etc. Mark blyth who ''predicted'' Brexit talks about how he remembers watching Remain campaign in Sunderland during referendum and someone from the Remain camp was talking about the hit to GDP Britain will take if they leave the EU and a audience member shouted out - ''Your GDP''. There has to be more to the Remain debate then simply - the economy will go into the shitter as it already is for many people.
This is politics people lie all the time, the stakes were bigger in the referendum debate but the lying was nothing new. For however much we hate it there is a consistent argument with the leave vote - the UK voted to leave the EU so it's leaving(The debate is now centred around how the UK leaves). There is no consistency with Remain, it's clearly seen as being very angry over this one particular result rather than awful effects lying has on democracy.
The best people can hope for is a second referendum although even that is on potentially very very weak grounds.
I guess you keep arguing. Keep the pressure on your MP -because this could be stopped in parliament. And remember we are a parliamentary system not a direct democracy. I perseonally believe the referendum was poorly designed, the electorate was poorly informed (by both sides) and I don’t see why it should be considered the final word. Which I accept isn’t likely to be a popular view but given the stakes...
The idea both major parties are in a bind is bollocks.
At the very least the path of championing retention of CM and SM membership was open to Labour from the outset. It was something never explicitly voted on at all, it was not part of the referendum, it did not appear on the ballot papers. Farage, the Tories and the right-wing press decided to insist that these issues were on the ballot paper - when they weren't - and Corbyn decided to 100% go along with it. The idea Labour's position is a result of having a forced hand as opposed to being down to the fact its leadership is every bit behind a hard Brexit as Liam Fox, is a complete fallacy.
It's becoming really frustrating just how many people who can see how much of a disaster this will be, completely accept Labour's "Gosh, what can we do?" excuses for at least trying to temper it, when they've never actually made an effort to do anything.
Like Gene Wilder's perfunctuary "Stop. No. Come back" cries as the Willy Wonka character. There are a multitude of things that Labour could have done, could be doing and could do to mitigate the absolute fecking Tory boy wet-dream this Brexit will become. Stop pretending they/he gives a shit.
"Gee it's really hard for Labour. They don't want a hard Brexit but other than supporting a hard Brexit, sacking people who oppose it and generally doing sod all - it's hard to know what else they can do"
At the very least the path of championing retention of CM and SM membership was open to Labour from the outset. It was something never explicitly voted on at all, it was not part of the referendum, it did not appear on the ballot papers. Farage, the Tories and the right-wing press decided to insist that these issues were on the ballot paper - when they weren't - and Corbyn decided to 100% go along with it. The idea Labour's position is a result of having a forced hand as opposed to being down to the fact its leadership is every bit behind a hard Brexit as Liam Fox, is a complete fallacy.
It's becoming really frustrating just how many people who can see how much of a disaster this will be, completely accept Labour's "Gosh, what can we do?" excuses for at least trying to temper it, when they've never actually made an effort to do anything.
Like Gene Wilder's perfunctuary "Stop. No. Come back" cries as the Willy Wonka character. There are a multitude of things that Labour could have done, could be doing and could do to mitigate the absolute fecking Tory boy wet-dream this Brexit will become. Stop pretending they/he gives a shit.
"Gee it's really hard for Labour. They don't want a hard Brexit but other than supporting a hard Brexit, sacking people who oppose it and generally doing sod all - it's hard to know what else they can do"
First meaningful vote in 40 years. Shouldn’t have come about like this but it did. If it’s stopped I’m not sure what would happen on the streets, it would be pure chaos
That may not be a bad thing if anger is directed at no.10
However, if so many people are now regretting their leave vote as claimed in this thread, there should be street parties up and down the country. With no old folk invited right?
There’s chaos coming anyway.
I agree Stan. They aren’t regretting it at all. All the polls remain largely consistent. The bbc might put a few gammon faces on the tv in an attempt to show all leave voters are racist but it won’t wash.
Also when the youth grow up they’ll start to ask questions about what kind of democracy the EU actually offers them. I personally am still waiting for my ballot paper over Lisbon.
You might want to ask your MPs why they didn't offer you that option then. I kind of understand the appeal for direct democracy but at this moment, I don't think that there is a single country that uses it, you are in a representative democracy and when it comes to foreign policy, 99% of the decisions are taken by your government and your parliament, on your behalf. Since it's the reason why you elected them.
That’s like saying “I’m waiting for my ballot papers for the Iraq War” or “I’m waiting for my ballot papers for the austerity measures used by the Tories.”
Our form of democracy doesn’t work that way.
When the youth grow up will they also not having a fecking clue what a parliamentary democracy is?
It’s absolutely nothing like the Iraq war. What an absurd comment
The youth won’t have a clue what anything is and haven’t had a clue for 30 years. The evidence is in parliament
Alternatively @Steven Seagull perhaps the younger generations are simply better educated and more tolerant to other cultures than your generation?
Ok enlighten me, how is it not?
Based on what? The exams being easier?
citation needed
He's really going to regret dying his hair pink that one time.
Bye bye Barry
Oh, there's more.
Barry Gardiner is everything I hate about a politician. In private admits Brexit cannot deliver same rights and protections for citizens and workers alike, yet publicly the position is: 'It's wrong not to do it'.
feck him. He's not interested in anything but his leverage within the front-bench team of the party.
feck him. He's not interested in anything but his leverage within the front-bench team of the party.
If Corbyn does not sack him, he'll prove himself the hypocrite many people suspect him to be.
That's the official Labour position isn't it? It's justifiable for the votes though, according to some on here.
Yup. Some want to argue that:
'We must leave the single market and the customs union and we are best placed to get a better deal'
and
'We must leave the customs union and the single market and we are best placed to get a better deal'
...represents two entirely distinct policy positions. To suggest anything else is a disgusting smear against the Labour leadership.
Hell of a thread.
Wow that's brilliant, quite depressing though and some people on this Caf thread are indicative of the people mentioned.
Mark, too much time on his hands
“ref was for in or out of the eu”. Looking at most of the other tweets, it was actually a referendum on 1950s and 1960s immigration policy.
That's quite powerful.
Isn’t it? Bigotry and narrow-mindedness is so much more real when it’s personalised like that.
Crikey.
Another one of the many reasons why this country is leaving the EU.
Also it really should say the Soviet Union instead of Russia
Also it really should say the Soviet Union instead of Russia
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Facepalm.