Why not?
It's not because of someone's age whether they are stupid or not. Stephen Hawking must have been an imbecile.
In that case, are qualifications a measure of one's ability?
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Why not?
It's not because of someone's age whether they are stupid or not. Stephen Hawking must have been an imbecile.
In that case, are qualifications a measure of one's ability?
How about not voting unless you've been to Eton and Oxford? Cheltenham Ladies College like Rudd might do at a pinch.
Stephen Hawking was celebrated for his scientific work and his attempts to teach the general public science. He wasn't celebrated because he passed a fecking exam.
Who said he was. But you didn't answer my question.
Intelligence tests before being allowed to vote are clearly a slippery slope.
That said, I’d be all in favour of insisting that voters pass a short MCQ test to onfirm that they understand what the feck they are voting for.
“Brexit, innit?” would not be an allowable answer.
That said, I’d be all in favour of insisting that voters pass a short MCQ test to onfirm that they understand what the feck they are voting for.
“Brexit, innit?” would not be an allowable answer.
It's not a question worth answering. Someone with 5 PHDs in advanced calculus is still going to be worse at plumbing than someone who spent a year learning to be a plumber.
I wasn't talking about the right to vote, I was talking about the opinion polls, notably the one you posted, everyone has the right to vote.
What's wrong with "Brexit, innit?" It's a more explanatory sentence than what we actually got during the referendum.
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Well I can't disagree with that but do not see the relevance.
It's getting harder to tell who's serious or not in this thread. I suppose it had to happen.
qualifications are only worthwhile in narrow fields where the qualifications apply, they're worthless as measures in wider fields, i.e how the country should be run
intelligence tests don't even have narrow applications, they just show how well someone did in an arbitrary exam
Aha. Well with polls I guess it’s just about trying to get a broad cross-section of society. I presume YouGov are fairly good at this. They’re one of the best known pollsters.
Agree qualifications in specific subjects will not serve to be useful in other areas of life but at least an intelligence test is a broader indication of a person's ability to use judgement, logic etc.
It may not be perfect but it's no less perfect than saying because someone is old he must be stupid and because someone is young he must be clever.
For the general public I agree with you, but politicians should not only pass an intelligence test but also a general knowledge test, on top of that they should get tested on special fields when they are in the run for a minister. These feckers are the dumbest living being in every country.
The rate at which they and their friends are gaining wealth suggests otherwise. They know what they're doing, who they're hurting and they're perfectly fine with it.
I was being hyperbolic but do not make the mistake to think that they are actually smart. In France for example, you have small groups of people in all parties who are smart, these people generally stay in the dark and make policies, they then use the buffoons that we generally see, it's actually fascinating to watch them act behind the curtains.
Is it a British plumber or a Polish plumber?
I always thought we would need a filter in voting. Intelligence would be unfair, IMO as a person that is not as intelligent as another can have more interest in politics than another and develop a better understanding of it.
I would not take an intelligence test. I would take some random questions about the program of the party or PM declarations that you pretend to vote. So if you want to vote Tory ==> press tory ==> Questions about them (not difficult) ==> you don't know, so why the feck are you voting them? ==>>> OUT!
The same with referendums
I would not take an intelligence test. I would take some random questions about the program of the party or PM declarations that you pretend to vote. So if you want to vote Tory ==> press tory ==> Questions about them (not difficult) ==> you don't know, so why the feck are you voting them? ==>>> OUT!
The same with referendums
You have to admire the Tories in a way in that they seem to have carried an incredible chunk of the population behind the idea that in the referendum they voted for whatever version of Brexit they could negotiate.
If we get a bespoke trade deal - that's what we voted for
If we leave the EU without a trade deal - that's what we voted for.
Stay in or are closely aligned with the customs union - that's what we voted for
Leave the customs union and fail to reach agreement on alignment - that's what we voted for
Whatever you say about it, it has been fairly impressive that they've seemed to have carried so many people with that approach. Support for what is effectively a blank cheque Brexit should be close to non-existent. Actually seems that enough of us want it to justify that being the government's actual policy. Again, don't have to like it to think it's impressive to pull that off.
If we get a bespoke trade deal - that's what we voted for
If we leave the EU without a trade deal - that's what we voted for.
Stay in or are closely aligned with the customs union - that's what we voted for
Leave the customs union and fail to reach agreement on alignment - that's what we voted for
Whatever you say about it, it has been fairly impressive that they've seemed to have carried so many people with that approach. Support for what is effectively a blank cheque Brexit should be close to non-existent. Actually seems that enough of us want it to justify that being the government's actual policy. Again, don't have to like it to think it's impressive to pull that off.
I remember when we didn't have to leave the single market when leaving the EU. Remember cnuts like Hanan and Frotage making those arguments. Seems like a distant memory.
Consequence of absolutely no opposition. Farage and Hannan and the other cnuts decided after the result that it was an endorsement for leaving the SM and the CU and the Tory and Labour front bench response was, and remains, "Yes that's right".
Shockingly (or not) over time the myth that the result was a referendum on SM and CU membership has taken hold to be point now where it isn't even really much of a debate any more.
See David Davis has had another outing , this time with the Lords EU Committee.
Another session of absolute bilge out of his mouth. I know he's talking rubbish, you know he's talking rubbish, they know he's talking rubbish. How does he continue to be the chief negotiator.
This government is clearly the worst since WW2, but every time they replace an incompetent minister they somehow manage to replace them with yet an even more incompetent minister, so little point in changing. Meanwhile the government are so pathetic but the opposition still can't get ahead of them as they somehow look even more incompetent.
Must be that race to the bottom.
Another session of absolute bilge out of his mouth. I know he's talking rubbish, you know he's talking rubbish, they know he's talking rubbish. How does he continue to be the chief negotiator.
This government is clearly the worst since WW2, but every time they replace an incompetent minister they somehow manage to replace them with yet an even more incompetent minister, so little point in changing. Meanwhile the government are so pathetic but the opposition still can't get ahead of them as they somehow look even more incompetent.
Must be that race to the bottom.
It's pretty far from impressive. The so-called golden ticket of having our cake and eating it is not happening, so we are fecked. That yougov poll where everyone under 50 is overwhelmingly pro-remain, while the over 60s are the opposite is so depressing. Think of the future ffs.
Paul wasn't suggesting intelligence tests as a qualifying step to be allowed to vote.
They are. Their own relatively short future. Where reliving pretension of colonial dominance and grandeur will occur.
In their own imaginations, as the idea is a load of fetid donkey offal.
Verbal reasoning tests are quite useful in this context maybe.
If you read/listen to a passage from a manifesto and can't gauge exactly what it states or doesn't state, then you shouldn't really be voting.
The longer the shambolic negotiations go on the more I hope that it wont happen.
They burned their voters by forming a sycophantic coalition with the Tories.
Anyone think this guy is onto something? That’s the Brexit end game?
Would certainly explain how lame duck Maybot is somehow still holding the reins...
Yeah they mortgaged their soul by signing that coalition agreement didn't they. Bet they thought it was a great idea at the time...
I was under the impression that it was obvious. I remember looking at the Brexit financiers and the conclusion was obvious, none of them are people champions. Aaron Banks, Peter Hargreaves, James Hosking, Lord Edmiston and Crispin Odey, these people apparently represent 60% of the funding.
But it's like a runaway train with no driver, May's just along for the ride, who's going to stop it because unless someone does it's crashing through the buffers in March. But they haven't got until March to sort themselves out or even till October, the EU want answers in June and I would imagine most businesses etc do as well.
Imagine Corbyn helping May push her Brexit plan? Would definitely be the last time I vote Labour under him.
Can has received another boot.
Am I right in saying GB is going to be subject to the same EU laws but now get zero influence over them?
The little bits of news I see on the whole Brexit issue, seems the general population are going to be screwed over.
I’m seeing zero benfit for GB, certainly nothing like the lies and BS they were fed in the lead up to the referendum.
The little bits of news I see on the whole Brexit issue, seems the general population are going to be screwed over.
I’m seeing zero benfit for GB, certainly nothing like the lies and BS they were fed in the lead up to the referendum.