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Sadly the price will be a lot more than £900 per household and unfortunately it will only be when it's too late that reality will dawn on them.
The problem is that the same liars two years ago are still lying now and people will believe what they want to believe.
One still has this forlorn hope that if they really thought logically about it, it's so damned obvious that Brexit is going to be a major disaster.
More news - the promised £350 million a week has already vapourised, here's another £20bn up in smoke if they go for the MaxFac (which is a non-starter anyway) - plenty more of these to come (well, we did warn them)
Wonder if Fox or Davis has remembered to send off the UK's application to join the WTO.
Jesus, just when you think things can't get much worse. What are the benefits again?
Blue passports
Made by the french. Very boutique!
Brexit is a projection of nationalism. Nothing good has ever come out of nationalism.
Not sure how much more of a balls-up this government can make of things before he starts to see an advantage in the polls. Not only Brexit but Windrush too. Better governments have been virtually wiped out in terms of public opinion on much less. I think May could claim responsibility for running Princes Diana's car into the pillar in the tunnel and the outcome of the next lot of polling conducted after the revelation will have Jeremy Corbyn soaring into a 2 point lead.
There are no benefits, even the immigrants they think they're getting rid of will be replaced by other immigrants.
Still only scratching the surface. Things can get a lot worse .The Brexiters think it hasn't been too bad so far but the UK haven't left yet and businesses and markets are still hoping that common sense will rule the day in the end. If the day comes when there is a no deal scenario... I dread to think.
Losing a fortune money wise is one thing, I cannot begin to imagine the disruption.
Was a rhetorical question of course, but yep agree it's the tip of the iceberg. This vindicative, xenophobic Home Office drive to push out immigrants is getting ridiculous and borderline fascist. Windrush obviously the big disgrace, but cases like this too are reprehensible.
Ex-mayor of Ipswich denied citizenship after almost 40 years in UK
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/may/23/ex-mayor-of-ipswich-inga-lockington-denied-citizenship-after-almost-40-years-in-uk
No-on is going to want to come and work here, the NHS is already creaking badly and in asset management £40bn left the UK this week.
Economic growth is anaemic, but anyone holding up the FTSE hitting new highs as a barometer of 'market confidence' in Brexit has no understanding of investment.
My wife had a second interview with Mercers about a job in Singapore last week, but sadly they're twats and it's too junior
Was a rhetorical question of course, but yep agree it's the tip of the iceberg. This vindicative, xenophobic Home Office drive to push out immigrants is getting ridiculous and borderline fascist. Windrush obviously the big disgrace, but cases like this too are reprehensible.
Ex-mayor of Ipswich denied citizenship after almost 40 years in UK
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/may/23/ex-mayor-of-ipswich-inga-lockington-denied-citizenship-after-almost-40-years-in-uk
No-on is going to want to come and work here, the NHS is already creaking badly and in asset management £40bn left the UK this week.
Economic growth is anaemic, but anyone holding up the FTSE hitting new highs as a barometer of 'market confidence' in Brexit has no understanding of investment.
My wife had a second interview with Mercers about a job in Singapore last week, but sadly they're twats and it's too junior
Yes of course. Although May was perceived as a remainer, I believe she is the biggest xenophobe/racist of the lot and that includes Farage and Brexit falls sweetly into her hostile environment. It is utterly despicable the way people are being treated. The government always go for the easy targets, the real illegal immigrants are too difficult to manage.
Also the cost of citizenship in the UK is astronomically expensive. It cost me €55 to apply for French citizenship.
When the pound drops again if there is no deal this will no doubt be more realignment.
About 5 weeks left for the government to become rational and sensible, oh well...
Looks like trouble in Brexitland.
Cabinet apparently discussing asking EU for another transition period. Our European brothers must be laughing at our stupidity.
Ivan Rogers was forced out for saying Brexit would take ten years. 2023 would be seven years from the vote.
Cabinet apparently discussing asking EU for another transition period. Our European brothers must be laughing at our stupidity.
Ivan Rogers was forced out for saying Brexit would take ten years. 2023 would be seven years from the vote.
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I am passionately against Brexit and to be honest, I have little on the line. What do you want to tell this man, who is losing everything?
An extension to the transitional period would be to 2027, the end of the next EU budget period after the current one which ends in December 2020 which is when the EU want the UK out by. Eleven and a half years after the referendum.
Problem is the UK government thinks the initial transitional period to end 2020 is a done deal, it isn't.
The van driver above is a small example of what will happen. But it doesn't just apply to car parts, everything imported from the EU and exported to the EU will suffer. Forget the astronomical cost of this, the delays and disruption will be unmanageable.
Problem is the UK government thinks the initial transitional period to end 2020 is a done deal, it isn't.
The van driver above is a small example of what will happen. But it doesn't just apply to car parts, everything imported from the EU and exported to the EU will suffer. Forget the astronomical cost of this, the delays and disruption will be unmanageable.
Not if they hire a lot of Polish, among others, in the custom administration.
Fantastic speech by Sir Ivan Rogers.
Read it if you have time. I'm less busy at work and I'm halfway through.
https://policyscotland.gla.ac.uk/blog-sir-ivan-rogers-speech-text-in-full/
This part just reminded me that we have not heard "no deal is better than a bad deal" bullshit that May keeps spouting in a while.
Read it if you have time. I'm less busy at work and I'm halfway through.
https://policyscotland.gla.ac.uk/blog-sir-ivan-rogers-speech-text-in-full/
This part just reminded me that we have not heard "no deal is better than a bad deal" bullshit that May keeps spouting in a while.
As a negotiator, I am actually a great believer that the threat of leaving the negotiating table and going another route has to be there, whenever you can credibly deploy it. But the key word there is “credibly”.
There was, for the EU side of the table, no credibility at all to the idea that the UK could better secure its fundamental interests on the financial markets issues in the time zone by leaving the EU, thus guaranteeing it would have no vote in the Council or Parliament on the future regulatory regime changes.
For one simple reason. It is not true. As we are in the process of finding out.
Just as, in the Article 50 negotiation since the referendum, there has been no credibility in the threat to walk out to “no deal”, as it has been self-evident to the other side of the table from 2016 that a “no deal” outcome post exit, without any sort of preferential access deal for British goods and services in key sectors, is vastly worse for the UK than even a bog standard Canada Dry style FTA of the sort with which we are confronted post a transition standstill, should UK red lines not evolve.
It is not just the British side of the table which has done its homework on the implications, sector by sector, of all post exit scenarios. Both sides know the legal position in the event of a “no deal” and they also know the contingency plans of major tracts of industries located in the UK if it happened. It sometimes feels as though it is only large chunks of the Westminster village who are blissfully unaware, or wish to write it all off as fear-mongering from those notorious anti-capitalists who run large businesses.
Which is why the threats to walk out have stopped and the repetitions of “no deal is better than a bad deal” have ceased. (There are of course people who want to crash out without a deal. They just do not include the PM or a good 90% of the Commons.)
There was, for the EU side of the table, no credibility at all to the idea that the UK could better secure its fundamental interests on the financial markets issues in the time zone by leaving the EU, thus guaranteeing it would have no vote in the Council or Parliament on the future regulatory regime changes.
For one simple reason. It is not true. As we are in the process of finding out.
Just as, in the Article 50 negotiation since the referendum, there has been no credibility in the threat to walk out to “no deal”, as it has been self-evident to the other side of the table from 2016 that a “no deal” outcome post exit, without any sort of preferential access deal for British goods and services in key sectors, is vastly worse for the UK than even a bog standard Canada Dry style FTA of the sort with which we are confronted post a transition standstill, should UK red lines not evolve.
It is not just the British side of the table which has done its homework on the implications, sector by sector, of all post exit scenarios. Both sides know the legal position in the event of a “no deal” and they also know the contingency plans of major tracts of industries located in the UK if it happened. It sometimes feels as though it is only large chunks of the Westminster village who are blissfully unaware, or wish to write it all off as fear-mongering from those notorious anti-capitalists who run large businesses.
Which is why the threats to walk out have stopped and the repetitions of “no deal is better than a bad deal” have ceased. (There are of course people who want to crash out without a deal. They just do not include the PM or a good 90% of the Commons.)
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These will be the same Polish labourers who will build the customs facilities that don't exist yet.
Cummings is the fecking architect of the whole thing, so his credibility is kinda sullied here.
For those who can't be bothered, took me close to an hour. This is a summary.
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What did you thought about it, it sounds a lot like what the caf remoaners said doesn't it?
It's exactly what people have being saying. We've spent two years arguing about scenarios that cannot exist.
Everyone is now on a hump about this Customs Union nonsense. It doesn't even solve the NI issue. Not only that, it's not clear if a customs Union in the current format is possible if we wanted one.
On the threat of walking out. It's not even a bluff. A bluff or a threat must be credible. Every man and his dog know we simply can't walk away.
The long story short is, there's not version of Brexit, where we aren't fecked.
It's not an opinion, it's a fact.
I'd even go firther to say, there's no version of Brexit that even seems possible at this point. We could potentially be on this Brexit issue for the next half century.
What is worrying is that these points and many more were made before the referendum and some people are shocked that the scaremongering wasn't scaremongering after all.
The part about how we're effectively losing sovereignty in that we'll be adopting EU rules/laws in many cases over which we will have no say is fairly pertinent, and a good way of expressing how daft this all is.
Also think it points to how politicians have acted over the years. Eurosceptic and anti-immigration press figures have always portrayed the EU in a negative context, and as a result even our most ardently pro-European politicians have often tried to look strong in gaining concessions from the EU as opposed to advocating further integration. As a result it's become ingrained that any move towards being closer with the EU is almost universally a bad thing, whereas moving further away from them helps represent our own strength and independence. Obviously this has largely been established as bollocks now, but generations of politicians, Labour and Tory, have largely fed this.
What does this 'expert' know anyway!? Huh!? #brexit
But yeah, its always been a stupid idea and will continue to be a really fecking stupid idea.
But yeah, its always been a stupid idea and will continue to be a really fecking stupid idea.
I said this before the referendum. The Cameron government or any Tory government were the last people who should have led a campaign against leaving.
You cannot for 30 years say the EU is bad, then now say we should stay. We tried to erode 30 years of indoctrination in one referendum campaign...pure fantasy.
The only way I think this country can vote to be with the EU is after we've already left and the public have seen the other side with their eyes.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...fantasy-in-brexit-talks-top-eu-official-warns
Time is fast running out.
Time is fast running out.
Is it me or the last two points are ludicrous when you consider them together? You talk about a more trusted position but also suggest that you will try to alter the rules before leaving in order to gain access from the outside.
https://www.google.nl/amp/s/amp.the...8/may/24/eu-split-exclusion-uk-galileo-brexit
What else are they divided over? Seems they want cake and eat scenario
What else are they divided over? Seems they want cake and eat scenario
Yes they are ludicrous, it's what he said earlier in the article: “To paraphrase The Leopard by Tommaso di Lampedusa, I have the impression that the UK thinks everything has to change on the EU’s side so that everything can stay the same for the UK.”
I get the impression that the EU are so tired of the nonsensical positioning of the UK government that the day the UK leaves can't come soon enough.
When the UK cabinet decide what they want it may make discussions easier. The UK are leaving the EU but still believe they should share the benefits of being in the EU. Of course it will be preferential that the UK remain involved but it's the UK that wanted out, why don't they realise this.
This might be my all-time favourite Brexit tweet.
Just saying the eu are not in agreement when its something they may benefit from, who'd have thunk?
But the outcome has not been decided yet.
The UK benefit enormously from being in the EU but 21 people from the same party and the same country can't agree.
Just saying paul, there is disagreement when its something they care about. I also liked the post about the person that will be thrown out of uk after 40 years, like it never happened in NL. Except it has.
It is been 2 years since the referendum and lots had been discussed. I have you as the epitetome of the caf brexiteer as you never left the thread, but your posting had been less and less in quantity and passion (maybe for other reasons).
Do you still think that the way things are going, Brexit will be positive for UK? I will give you a way out. In short? medium? long term?
Do you think it will be worse than you thought? (even if positive)
I would imagine that every organisation worldwide will never be 100% totally in agreement about everything. It has to be resolved sensibly and properly.
There will be many other points that some of the EU27 will be more favoured by than others.
Certain countries would prefer that the Uk would be treated more leniently regarding trade because it suits them - this is the UK tactic of divide and conquer. The EU will stick together because overall together they are much stronger than the UK.
I am sure there are mistakes in every country with people being removed by mistake. The point is that there is an impression that there is an intention to make foreigners unwelcome in the UK.
My wife is French who never took UK citizenship, if we'd still been living there would she feel welcome? You said you may plan one day to return to the UK with your missus, would she be welcome?
I have never for one second felt unwelcome in France and wonder if you have ever felt unwelcome in Holland?
A few of my foreign colleagues feel unwelcome in nl yes. I was asked just a week ago if dutch people were racist. And yes, yes they are all be it in a casual manner but moreso than i have ever seen in the uk.