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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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:lol:Trying to imagine whether some fat guy in London really has a vein throbbing in his temple while he fumes about smaller chips cos of the EU or it's just someone taking the piss. Could very believably be either.

After the last couple of years I'd guess the former.
Those evil EU dictators are now even controlling the rainfall.

He may be right, we've only had about 1mm of rain since early June.
 
After the last couple of years I'd guess the former.
Those evil EU dictators are now even controlling the rainfall.

He may be right, we've only had about 1mm of rain since early June.
We had a bit of a soggy August after the heatwave tbf. The story is obviously stupid, but the weird conflation of the EU and Europe, the geographic land mass of which we are part of, is odd. After we leave the EU are we guaranteed more tuber friendly weather:confused:
 
We had a bit of a soggy August after the heatwave tbf. The story is obviously stupid, but the weird conflation of the EU and Europe, the geographic land mass of which we are part of, is odd. After we leave the EU are we guaranteed more tuber friendly weather:confused:
No but we are guaranteed* trade deals with places that grow them.

*not guaranteed
 
Why is that bullshit?
Because the averages are skewed because in a countries population it is safe to assume that a certain amount of people will be unemployed or low income earners. Immigrants to a country nearly always have full employment so of course it would show the average per person is higher, because the two statistics are not created equally. Also, a lot of immigrants tend to take up skilled employment as doctors, financial advisors, IT specialists, etc. and those jobs always have a higher salary so of course more tax is paid. It's like saying the average height of immigrants is higher than the average height of nationals, it might be true but the samples to create the statistic are heavily influenced by a higher number of factors for nationals than for immigrants.

If you were to base those samples on profession then you would see different results I bet.
 
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Because the averages are skewed because in a countries population it is safe to assume that a certain amount of people will be unemployed or low income earners. Immigrants to a country nearly always have full employment so of course it would show the average per person is higher, because the two statistics are not created equally. Also, a lot of immigrants tend to take up skilled employment as doctors, financial advisors, IT specialists, etc. and those jobs always have a higher salary so of course more tax is paid. It's like saying the average height of immigrants is higher than the average height of nationals, it might be true but the samples to create the statistic are heavily influenced by a higher number of factors for nationals than for immigrants.

I'm not following you to be honest. Those are the variables that the report is supposed to be demonstrating, aren't they?
 
If I was May I would accept that as the final word and just prepare for Brexitdom, would not even bother to turn up for further meetings. but that's me.
 
The mexican standoff charade now reaches its climax. Perversely this is probably good news for the Rees-Moggers, they can sit back and let May deliver the No deal brexit they have their hearts set on.
 
Robert Peston
Chequers, as the journalist Chris Deerin has pointed out, goes pop.

Which wry and funny as it is for those of us of a certain age will not be cheering up Theresa May.

Because the EU summit in Salzburg has been a personal catastrophe for her.

And worse than that, it was an avoidable catastrophe.

Because every EU expert bar those she employs in Whitehall has been saying very loudly for weeks that the trade and commercial proposal in her Chequers Brexit plan would never win favour among the EU 27.

So the question is why she waited to have that so publicly and humiliatingly stated by the EU's president Donald Tusk today, rather than quietly acquiring some wriggle room over recent days.

Also, she's rejected the EU's proposal to keep the Northern Ireland border with the Republic open - because in her estimation it would undermine the integrity of the UK - but won't tell them what her revised proposal may be, though she insists she has one.

Neither she nor EU leaders want a "hard" no-deal Brexit.

But probably the only way for her to avoid it is to eat the humblest of humble pies and jog back to the deal her departed Brexit secretary, David Davis, naively thought he had been mandated to negotiate - a more conventional free trade agreement based on Canada's deal with the UK.

And maybe she could get that through the House of Commons, if her Remainer MPs were terrified into believing that the alternative to backing it would be a general election - which they assume Corbyn would win (whatever opinion polls may indicate).

That said, Canada still wouldn't solve the Irish border conundrum.

Which means that the UK may not be in a position to sign a withdrawal agreement - and that in turn means a no-deal Brexit remains a live possibility, even a probability.

A couple of things follow from all of this:

1) May will emerge as unique in the annals of history if she survives as PM much longer in the face of setbacks on this scale;

2) if all conventional roads lead to a hard no-deal Brexit, the notion of Parliament exerting control and forcing another referendum on us would begin to look not wholly fanciful.

add this to the end of the blog you've already published please

PS at 4.45pm

Brussels officials say that Barnier, Juncker and Tusk wanted to help May turn Salzburg into a stepping stone towards a deal, rather than an impasse.

"We were so ready to help" says one.

But she and her officials made two serious miscalculations, they say:

1) they say she was too aggressive, both in her article setting out what she wants in the German newspaper Die Welt, and at last night's dinner;

2) she was naive in thinking she could appeal above the heads of Barnier, Juncker and Tusk to EU leaders, when those leaders have more pressing issues on their plates and delegated the substance of talks to Barnier for a good reason.

Which means May has driven Brexit talks into a dark cul de sac, and goodness alone knows how she'll get her and the UK out of it,

https://www.facebook.com/1498276767163730/posts/2172510166407050/
 
Hargreaves Lansdown's UK retail investor confidence survey is at its all-time low. The data series started in 1995, so sentiment is worse than at any point during the dotcom crash or the financial crisis. There aint much faith in Brexit. Perverse thing is the FTSE 100 could well shoot up after we crash out, cos sterling will fall so much.

https://www.ft.com/content/ac3177aa-bc04-11e8-8274-55b72926558f
 


I have to admit that I didn't expect someone to actually say it. And before someone interpret that sentence the wrong way, I don't really like his tone.
 
Hargreaves Lansdown's UK retail investor confidence survey is at its all-time low. The data series started in 1995, so sentiment is worse than at any point during the dotcom crash or the financial crisis. There aint much faith in Brexit. Perverse thing is the FTSE 100 could well shoot up after we crash out, cos sterling will fall so much.

https://www.ft.com/content/ac3177aa-bc04-11e8-8274-55b72926558f
Hard Brexit will cause the pound to fall and anyone's international assets will rise, and probably the FTSE100 too, as you say. I'm considering bunging some in the FTSE350 for balance, just to have something to rise if a miraculous deal is reached and the pound goes up.
 


I have to admit that I didn't expect someone to actually say it. And before someone interpret that sentence the wrong way, I don't really like his tone.


I do. If British politics wasn't full of limp lettuces they wouldn't be in the mess they are.

No-one challenges anything, they're all sleepwalking.
 
I do. If British politics wasn't full of limp lettuces they wouldn't be in the mess they are.

No-one challenges anything, they're all sleepwalking.

Yeah but I don't really like his face, he looks and sounds like a twat. I don't disagree with the substance but only someone with zero decorum would say it that way.
 
Yeah but I don't really like his face, he looks and sounds like a twat. I don't disagree with the substance but only someone with zero decorum would say it that way.

Yes but everyone has been too polite about all this. If you watch a debate on UK TV about Brexit between a pro brexit person and an anti brexit person, one will say something, the other will say something and then the presenter says we've run out of time and they share a little joke. That's the level of debate and the only ones shouting are people like Farage.
 


I have to admit that I didn't expect someone to actually say it. And before someone interpret that sentence the wrong way, I don't really like his tone.


Glad someone has the guts to call a spade a spade. After decades of name calling the liars can go do one with their sensitivity.
 
Glad someone has the guts to call a spade a spade. After decades of name calling the liars can go do one with their sensitivity.
He could have said this anytime, he chose today to cock wave. Well done micron. No deal it is then. Whens his plan to fix the French economy begin?