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Oh yeah, we'd clearly get the £8 billion rebate again...Suspect like all other new members they would want us joining the euro as well
Which honestly wouldn't bother me at all ... But yeah there is no way the others agree to any rebate if we rejoin
Wouldn't just be the Rebate but the Veto too.
Nah, just send it to the US in return for chlorinated chicken, FDA regulations and privatised hospitals, what could possibly go wrong.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/let-american-firms-run-hospitals-urges-free-trade-group-5rxxd9tb8
Good to see Fox and Johnson backing it though after the original claims that it was all scare mongering.
What do this bunch of public school charlatans have to do before the working class Brexiteers see that they're not on your side and will not relent until they've reinstated work houses, debtors jails and hunting with dogs only chasing after the oiks rather than foxes.
Cut out the middle (white upper class) man.
Yes you would have two passports and would be free to use whichever you wanted at any time you chose.
It could well be we would have to have the Euro, Schengen, no rebate and no veto if we rejoin in years to come, but this could also be the price if we apply to withdraw article 50 now. Which is why calls for a second referendum aren't yet thought through. We can guess what the EU will want but we don't know, so as it stands Leavers will say all these things will happen and the chances of a second referendum delivering the result it's adherents want is zero.
Of course May could ask the EU first could we remain on the same terms as now, if the electorate demonstrated we wanted to, and Remainers should be asking her to do that as part of her current talks, not just aimlessly waffling 'second referendum'. And I'm aware that individuals on the EU side have said they would like us to stay, in the past, but that ain't no EU Council or Parliament decision, and that's what it would take.
The Tories will probably ask for interest on it too.
It's almost like we didn't know we actually had a pretty good deal.
We can't be sure but I think it highly likely that we could negotiate to stay on the same terms now, assuming it isn't to late, but that is never going to happen with the current idiots we have in lieu of leaders. They would fiddle while Rome burnt if they could figure out how matches worked.
You could very well be right, my point is that if a second referendum is held on an 'it's highly likely we'll get the same terms' basis then Leavers will have free reign to claim the worst, and Remain will be slaughtered at the polls. We would need to know first.
Does that mean that No Deal Brexit isn't happening?
that's generally what happens when you strike a deal mate, yes
it's hard to know if Raab is bullshitting or not. I don't exactly trust the UK on these matters. I wouldn't assume any deal is struck until we see both parties signing it.
Well I never. As you say though I'll believe it when I see it.that's generally what happens when you strike a deal mate, yes
it's hard to know if Raab is bullshitting or not. I don't exactly trust the UK on these matters. I wouldn't assume any deal is struck until we see both parties signing it.
A deal might only cover the transition period though, if so a No Deal Brexit could still occur after that.
A transition deal with the EU is the easy part
It then has to get through parliament...
Which depending on the deal gives it somewhere between a very slim and no chance of coming into practice
This started because of a letter sent a week ago. Smell BS from Raab.
Turning back to the Brexit committee for a moment, in his response to Dominic Raab (here - pdf), Hilary Benn, the chair of the committee, complains that the Brexit department is not consulting enough with his committee. Benn says David Davis, Raab’s predecessor, said the government would consult parliament during the negotiations at least as much, or more, than the European commission would be consulting the European parliament. Benn goes on:
However, with Michel Barnier [the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator] meeting “almost daily” with the European parliament’s Brexitcoordinator, that commitment is not being met. In fact, having taken evidence from Michel Barnier in September, my committee has heard more recently from the EU negotiator than from those leading the negotiations for the UK.
Turning back to the Brexit committee for a moment, in his response to Dominic Raab (here - pdf), Hilary Benn, the chair of the committee, complains that the Brexit department is not consulting enough with his committee. Benn says David Davis, Raab’s predecessor, said the government would consult parliament during the negotiations at least as much, or more, than the European commission would be consulting the European parliament. Benn goes on:
However, with Michel Barnier [the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator] meeting “almost daily” with the European parliament’s Brexitcoordinator, that commitment is not being met. In fact, having taken evidence from Michel Barnier in September, my committee has heard more recently from the EU negotiator than from those leading the negotiations for the UK.
You're confident Corbyn won't back a transition deal? Obviously there would be rebels from both parties, but if Corbyn backed one it would be through. All he has to do is say he's putting the national interest (meaning his own desire for Brexit) above party politics and it would all be over. Too close to call for me.
It means Raab is too scared to appear before the Brexit Committee and has kicked the can down the road so he can delay it until 21st November, at least, probably praying that something happens in the meantime.
Meanwhile he hasn't gone to Brussels and also the EU are arranging seminars in preparation for No deal and are not planning on a November summit because there is insufficient progress.
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Would almost certainly mean backtracking on their 6tests ... Which in fairness were set so they would always be obliged to vote against... Genuinely think they see it as their best (only ) hope of forcing a general election... So yeah fully expect the official policy to be vote against ... I expect some to ignore him... But enough to offset the dup and hard-line brexiteers who are Alos likely to vote against... I'm not so sure
Quite clearly the Raab comment was utter BS.
Raab and the govt in full reverse gear today. Also seem to be playing down the reports in the FT a out a deal for financial services being agreed.
Something is either agreed or it isn't. If they feel the need to release a statement saying something is 'close', it is just rhetoric for public opinion when they are actually just confirming nothing is agreed.
Banks + others not the 'true' source of the funds from the sounds of it.
How long before this gets directly linked to Russia?
LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP!
Divide and conquer
How long till farrage at el call it a witch hunt and demand somebody from the remain camp is charged?
Think this is the key thing.
The Russians have played the long con beautifully the last 4 years (or more) on both sides of the Atlantic
On dutch tv tonight there was a kid born here, likely to be sent back to iraq cos his parents are not allowed to stay. You see its not just the uk that likes to kick foreigners out, there are 400 kids on the same list at the asylum center. Response from mps? Rules are rules.
www.dutchnews.nl/news/2018/09/no-change-on-child-refugee-amnesty-says-dutch-prime-minister/
www.dutchnews.nl/news/2018/09/no-change-on-child-refugee-amnesty-says-dutch-prime-minister/
Same rules applies to UK, so I don't get the take back control of the borders. Yes europeans too if they don't comply
Difference is the UK want to kick foreigners out who are there legally and have every right to stay.
Yea it's very intricate but at the same time some of it has been blindingly obvious.
My point Is there is no compassion anywhere, all govts are the same. German mate of mine got threatened with deportation back to Germany when he signed on after redundancy here. They're all the same.
Every country is the same.
Maybe there isn't compassion within any government.
Your mate could be deemed to be not able to support himself but it depends on what he has contributed to the Dutch system.
The UK government have been trying to send Windrush people back and they are British citizens.
But we're talking about Brexit and the main reason for Brexit is that the British people don't want foreigners in the UK, not only the illegal ones or those that don't have a right to stay but also the legal ones. That's what Brexit is about.
How would you feel if the Dutch people (not just the government) said they want you to go home?
Interesting timing with the Banks stuff...
Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up!
To see him behind the bars...Brexit would almost be worth it.