I'm thinking of opening up a dinghy shop on the South coastInteresting to see what the EU will do when Brits start coming to the continent to ask for political asylum. Can happen any time soon.
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Think he should change no.5 to 'Demand to be re-imprisoned' after being freed.
Good.BREAKINGSpeaker grants emergency debate on EU Council
Emergency Debate request
House of Commons
Parliament
HoCCopyright: HoC
Speaker John Bercow says that he is satisfied that this is enough for an emergency debate.
He says he will advise MPs later, towards the end of the day in the Commons, for how long the debate should take and when it will take place.
He says there is "good reason" why he can't provide the time and length immediately, as he normally would.
It's the only thing that the DUP might vote for. There is no point having a vote of no confidence in the government if the vote won't pass May would use it as confirmation that parliament backs her government.
Exactly.
51% either way would basically just be status quo: indecision, chaos, infighting, protests and doubtless leading to riots. But that's for a two choice vote. Like I said what the feck would happen if there's a 3 way vote that remain "wins", but across the two leave options leave still has an overall majority?
It would be so much better to mandate revoking article 50 through a general election than a second referendum, impossible as it may be.
I'm not geeing up anything. There would be indignation, a feck ton of it, that's a fact. And it would technically be righteous. And I say that as someone who voted remain and would obviously vote remain again. In fact, the righteous indignation would provide a lot of fuel to the Brexit side during a second referendum, and the results might go even further in the wrong direction.
I agree. But I'd rather just outlaw referendums as they are generally stupid things to hold for questions of this magnitude.
You don't use a shovel to get yourself out of a hole.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-in-few-key-sectors-in-case-of-no-deal-brexit
Wednesday should be interesting.
Wednesday should be interesting.
How so? They gonna vote multiple times are they?
Corbyn tables no confidence vote
Arguments for JC tabling no confidence motion in May rather than the Government (taken from Twitter)
- It’ll show how much support May has in Parliament. Forces the DUP to show their hand. Delegitimises the government further.
- Also, it'll expose the 117 Tory MPs who voted no confidence last week if they vote with her that they're putting party before country. Basically the hypocrisy of the Tory party.
- By tabling a no confidence vote specifically aimed at the PM, Corbyn has played a blinder. This effectively allows #Labour to see how the numbers actually stack up while keeping the trump card of a formal vote of no confidence in reserve.
- While there is not legal weight behind the vote it would remove the last shreds of authority she has after the vote of contempt and the internal confidence vote. Her position would be untenable.
Corbyn playing 4D Chess, the cheeky fecker.
Putting in the vote after she revealed the date. What a bastard.
Is it ooohhh Jeremy Corbyn time?
May needs to focus on no Brexit, there is no other bluff.
What does this even mean? If the government decide to take it to a vote and win, the headlines will be "May wins Commons confidence vote." It's not a risk-free means of "testing numbers". So you need to actually win it, and winning it carries no actual weight.
No brexit? Or no No deal brexit? Very different things...
Not that it matters in the great scheme of things but May winning would itself lead to some awkward questions - such as why 117 Tory MP's thought she was incapable of leading their party but perfectly capable of running the country.
Especially after JRM went around talking about how she had to resign after the vote.
Fear not, it will be another anonymous vote so nobody will actually have to explain their convictions.
why would it be anonymous it's not a internal party vote
Unless they called for her to resign after it as well (i.e. 19th Century Man), it's pretty easy to handwave it away as "we are a democratic party and the party decided".
They have a better chance of winning this as the DUP have said that they will vote for no confidence in the PM but that they won't back a vote of no confidence in the government.
is this the first tangible thing that Corbyn has actually done regarding Brexit?
The argument is that it would expose the hypocrisy of the Conservative party but what long term impact that would have is rather debatable
I think there’s a chance she will lose the vote.
With all of Labour, Lib Dems and SNP voting no confidence, they only need 9 conservatives to vote no confidence for a majority. I could see some of the hard brexiters sticking the knife in to get Boris or Rees-Mogg leading the party to the general election.
In reality, I doubt she will get all of Lib Dems as a few of them will vote to keep her because they know they will lose their seats in a GE. Same goes for some labour candidates in hard Brexit areas.
With all of Labour, Lib Dems and SNP voting no confidence, they only need 9 conservatives to vote no confidence for a majority. I could see some of the hard brexiters sticking the knife in to get Boris or Rees-Mogg leading the party to the general election.
In reality, I doubt she will get all of Lib Dems as a few of them will vote to keep her because they know they will lose their seats in a GE. Same goes for some labour candidates in hard Brexit areas.
I don't have much faith in the British public but I'm fairly confident the majority will be able to see through that diaphanous bullshit.
Good luck with that.
yeah, I should have gone with "first actual thing"...
Pretty much. If you dislike the Tories then they've done much fecking worse in the past couple of years than moan about her leaders and then sneakily back her again when it's advantageous for them to do so.
They said that they would back it last week. So if they have changed their mind now it just proves that nobody can ever trust the DUP.
If that's the case then you'd imagine it'll cancel out the relatively small number of Tories who'll probably go against her in the end.
Anyone else concerned that if it went to a 2nd referendum between no deal and remain, no deal would win?
I feel like people in the UK are genuinely that stupid.
I feel like people in the UK are genuinely that stupid.
If there's anyone here who is behind Corbyn's brexit policy, that's the impossible have cake and eat it one, would they mind explaining how this vote will help him achieve it please?
Oh literally millions of people are that stupid/ignorant. I'm not concerned remain would lose under those two options though.
"Brexit means Brexit"
Absolutely.
With that said, I think the Remain campaign would be twice as organised and twice as strong this time. It would have financial backing of a huge number of massive companies who are set to lose a lot if Brexit goes ahead.
On top of that, the dark money of Arron Banks and co won't have the same flow into the leave campaigns and there is no Cambridge Analytica targetting the finer margins.
Remain have cast iron evidence of the negative economic impact of leabing the EU. No £350m on a bus stuff, literally hundreds of billions we are set to lose.