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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ncy-of-uk-citizens-in-event-of-no-brexit-deal
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I have just emailed the local office for foreigners (Auslanderbehörde) and have asked them what happens after Brexit, I have had since 1996 a permanent Residence Permit to live and work in Germany but still dont have a clue as to what will happen after the 29.03.2019.
Guerrilla warfare by amendments.
If the new grieve amendment passes i can't see how this goverment functions. When this deal fails they'll be an immediate vote of no confidence and power will be handed to parliament within 3 days win or lose.
Really hope it passes so we can get some amendments voted on next week, even if nothing has a majority we should at least have a clear view of where parlaiment stands.
Really hope it passes so we can get some amendments voted on next week, even if nothing has a majority we should at least have a clear view of where parlaiment stands.
This is the wrong type of sovereignty 
This is the wrong type of sovereignty
Indeed,
Just watching proceedings now and It's hillarious they're basically foaming at the mouth over this
Over being given a vote...that will allow them to vote on amendments sooner!I'm applying for a carte sejour here in France to try and make sure I'm protected. So much uncertainty amidst this clusterfeck.
Votes to have amendments on what exactly the deal.?
Three days to have a Plan B?
Corbyn to call a vote of no confidence to call an election after the UK have left and which he'd probably lose anyway?
So glad I escaped from the asylum.
Three days to have a Plan B?
Corbyn to call a vote of no confidence to call an election after the UK have left and which he'd probably lose anyway?
So glad I escaped from the asylum.
Was always going to be the case, that's why no one i know applied for passports.
One hour of points of order on the selection of the Grieve amendment and counting. Really an excuse for partisan attacks on and defences of the Speaker's integrity. Not an edifying spectacle.
Plan B should be to extend Article 50, then people's referendum and then carry out the necessary action.
Are we even allowed to extend it for that reason? I understood an extension was only allowed for technical reasons, not so we can decide if we really want to leave or not.
Doesn't Plan B have to be sorted in 3 days following the vote (should the vote be defeated)
3 DAYS? With this government
3 DAYS? With this government
We can't extend it unilaterally - it requires the 27 member states. They won't sanction an extension for further debate/negotiation. They presumably would do for a referendum with a 'remain' option, though.
We can however revoke A50 unilaterally if we wish to, which would effectively cancel Brexit. Whether Parliament would choose cancelling Brexit over crashing out with no deal, is currently unknown, but we might get an answer to that quite soon.
The goverment only need to make a statement of intent, it isn't for them to come up with a new detailed plan
Up till now I thought the worst thing that could happen to the UK would be to leave the EU with no deal.
In fact there is something worse than that .. the Uk leave with no deal and have no government in place to deal with the consequences.
Plan B can only be to revoke A50.
What is totally bemusing is that the UK think that the EU are just going to hang around patiently whilst the UK sort their mess out. Absolutely stunningly ridiculous.
In fact there is something worse than that .. the Uk leave with no deal and have no government in place to deal with the consequences.
Plan B can only be to revoke A50.
What is totally bemusing is that the UK think that the EU are just going to hang around patiently whilst the UK sort their mess out. Absolutely stunningly ridiculous.
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We currently don't have a government.
And then the Brexiters will blame the EU for the mess we have put ourselves in.
Another day, another government loss.
Also, isn't that vote basically a de facto vote on May's deal. Why would you vote yes for that if you are not going to vote to reject May's deal?
That's going to happen anyway.
JRM doesn't seem too unhappy at the way things are going.
Rather than preventing a no deal, all this current malarkey seems to push the UK more towards it.
No other deal (Norway/Canada and all this nonsense) is possible without the withdrawal agreement so unless A50 is revoked I don't see the benefit.
Barclays concessions are embarrassing, they've clearly got nothing from the EU so tried to scramble something together themselves. They're either unenforceable or already promised
Cheers.
I get the feeling May will have to be dragged out of no.10 kicking and screaming. Anyone think she will resign?
I keep hearing 'the media is biased in favour of Remain' but I'm wondering...could even the most ardent Brexiter point to ANY positive/hopeful news that the media could have reported on in the two years since the Referendum?
The £ has fallen, businesses have moved operations out of the UK, the financial services sector has seen 10% of it's total assets move out of the UK, we've fewer nurses and doctors coming into the UK post-referendum, numerous senior ministers have resigned and the Gov. is in chaos
Genuinely, even if you were looking really hard for good news, where would you find it???
The £ has fallen, businesses have moved operations out of the UK, the financial services sector has seen 10% of it's total assets move out of the UK, we've fewer nurses and doctors coming into the UK post-referendum, numerous senior ministers have resigned and the Gov. is in chaos
Genuinely, even if you were looking really hard for good news, where would you find it???
Any arguments which can be mustered in favour of Brexit at this point are essentially ones that pertain to things that Brexiteers perceive to be wrong with the EU, but the problem is that those flaws are pretty much irrelevant at this point when no coherent alternative has been offered. If anything the media haven't been stringent enough in their condemnation of the stupidity of this whole process and key issues like NI that were ignored at the time. Like you say there are a ton of areas in which our lives will be affected from day-to-day and most people remain at least partially ignorant as to how we will be impacted.
EU net migration to the UK is down from 189,000 (in the year before the referendum), to 74,000 (in the year to June 2018), which is great news if you're racist/xenophobic. Unfortunately for EDL-type wankers, non-EU net migration is up to 248,000 per year, its highest level since 2004.
Sounds like general argument for Brexit during the ref.
Yup, there's recruitment agencies ramping up their recruitment in the middle and far east in the hope that they will be called upon to fill a skills gap should the UK go through with Brexit. I've had numerous former contacts particularly from India, Saudi and the Emirates asking me about the abundant opportunities they are hearing about in the UK which had me rather bemused at first.
Sounds great going for a job in a country where they just voted to get rid of you but were to incompetent to figure out how to do it.
Reports that Corbyn will call for an extension of Art 50 tomorrow (following on from Starmer’s statement earlier that the 29 March deadline is not achievable). The problem is what does “extension” actually mean and on what grounds would the EU 27 grant it? Probably for a referendum but presumably not for a continuation of the unicorn hunt of the last 2 years.
All bar one of my contacts they have approached are Indian although many are working in the ME or elsewhere in South Asia and they are being sold a story that once we are out of the EU we will be far more welcoming to commonwealth immigrants again, a number of these guys are being pushed heavily by their families to find something over here as they'd like to join them which is something they won't do in Dubai or Saudi.
I'm not sure this is what the Brexiteers had in mind.
Labours proposal is very likely to be on the grounds Stamer keeps saying he's discussed with EU colleagues already, a permanent customs union with some single market like deal (feck knows how that actually looks).
I don't think it'll be on a second referendum, they're leaving others to do the dirty work of pushing that. I can see the goverment purposefully ordering the motions so that referendum is first and to put Labour in a difficult position.
My (anecdotal) understanding is this is exactly why many British Asians voted for Brexit.
Nope and they deliberately muddied the waters so that EU immigration was taken as all immigration which just goes to show how much ignorance there was in the vote.
Just when you think Brexit cannot get more farcical:
Sir Oliver Letwin, the Conservative former cabinet minister, intervenes. He says Labour says it wants “a permanent UK-EU customs union and a strong single market deal”. Letwin says he is speaking as someone who hopes that there will be a cross-party agreement on Brexit. Can Starmer explain what that means?
Starmer says he is interested in something that would be similar to the customs union, but not the same. He says he would like to explore this in talks with the EU. If it was a custom union like the one Turkey has with the EU, that would not be acceptable. And he says he would like something akin to single market membership, but not EEA membership. He accepts that these are issues that would have to be negotiated.
So this is Labour's position, less than 80 days from the UK leaving the EU, Labour mocking the Tories, quite rightly, but then coming out with this drivel. Which planet are these people on - who are they trying to convince?
At least the Tories have finally realised that they can't have their cake and eat it.
I find this truly pathetic.
Sir Oliver Letwin, the Conservative former cabinet minister, intervenes. He says Labour says it wants “a permanent UK-EU customs union and a strong single market deal”. Letwin says he is speaking as someone who hopes that there will be a cross-party agreement on Brexit. Can Starmer explain what that means?
Starmer says he is interested in something that would be similar to the customs union, but not the same. He says he would like to explore this in talks with the EU. If it was a custom union like the one Turkey has with the EU, that would not be acceptable. And he says he would like something akin to single market membership, but not EEA membership. He accepts that these are issues that would have to be negotiated.
So this is Labour's position, less than 80 days from the UK leaving the EU, Labour mocking the Tories, quite rightly, but then coming out with this drivel. Which planet are these people on - who are they trying to convince?
At least the Tories have finally realised that they can't have their cake and eat it.
I find this truly pathetic.
Yes labours 6 tests were pretty much designed to be impossible to achieve ... Which of course gives them a reason to vote against Mays (or any conservative deal)
The problem is somehow they now have to be able to explain how they could negotiate a deal that passes their own six tests...
The only possible way to pass the 6 tests was to remain in the EU. So Starmer coming out with this ludicrous statement blows this supposedly cunning plan of Corbyn wide open. Corbyn's not very bright is he?