You're right, those folk that said he was "playing a blinder" by calling a confidence vote on the PM instead were far closer to the money.
I mean, we've only lost a month out of three and got exactly the same result, what's not to love.
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I mean, we've only lost a month out of three and got exactly the same result, what's not to love.
That will mostly happen. And the sad part is that they have "the law" behind them. The money will probably end in some offshore.
I guess the same will happen in UK, and mainly London which is one of the most touristic cities in the world, or do UK authorities will not charge the 65 pounds (if my memory serves me right) of visa costs?
If only...
Corbyn's such a prat that I'm starting to agree with May
Nails it.
Corbyn is a chancer who talks a good game, but that is all. He is in this for himself and bugger the people.
He's playing a pretty poor hand incredibly badly... Will be interesting to see the next round of polling
Corbyn's such a prat that I'm starting to agree with May
Any Leader of the Opposition with some character, intelligence, leadership and charisma would have slaughtered the government but at the moment he looks more incompetent and more likely to be replaced than a PM who has lost a vote by 230. Incredible. How the hell does he think he's going to gain votes even if there were an election?
I don't think a presenter is there to be constructive. He's there to extract the truth.
that will help Britain's reputation with the rest of the world wouldn't it?
I don't think anyone said that, it was always doomed to fail but he had no choice it was dictated my membership and am opposition who didn't table a VONC after that defeat would be a shambles.
My point stands, people have strong opinions (that i share) on the direction but they completely overlook any negative consequences. It would have been detrimental to push a referendum a month or 6 months ago as it needed and still does need to come from a place of desperation rather than plotting.
The last thing any remainer should want is pushing Tories into supporting Mays deal. Ideally the push towards a referendum is Tory led so they don't have to be seen to side with Corbyn.
You might want to pause the Bill Hicks video your watching.
For decades Corbyn has had literally no power in the Labour Party, he did'nt even want to run for leadership in 2015, in fact he had to be forced by the rest of the labour left. Under his leadership it's easier to deselect MPs e.g. people like him. Not to mentioned the personal abuse all MP get from the public and the press(Worth mentioning for the millionth time that a far right thug who drove into a crowd of Muslims literally said he was hoping that Khan and Corbyn would have there)
What I think would happen is that they would take most decisions as a qualified majority, further isolating the UK out.
Rogue state, didn't Cameron say that?
Hard to disagree with any of that.
Think he's banking on people disliking May and the Tories rather than actually preferring him.
Sometimes being constructive gets you further than being argumentative. Especially with someone like JRM.
You don't have to keep sighing with exasperation and cutting people off to get to the truth.
He's not going anywhere.
No one can blame Jeremy and his Brexit policy to appease his racist base at any cost. It wasn’t like he promised anyone new politics or anything like that.
Most likely the EU will make some unofficial rules and just ignore UK. It is 5 times bigger than UK, they hold all the cards. Doing those things will only make UK looking like a banana republic.
That's how the budget is voted anyway, qualified majority in the EU council and simple majority in the parliament. As far as I can tell, and I just checked, there are no veto during the procedure, so it wouldn't be an "official" stance, though obviously if a country publicly say that they veto something, the others will take note and you can't really force anyone to ultimately send the money.
I get the impression he's a convenient mouthpiece for whoever is really running the Labour Party. How he struggles to read eloquently what's been told to say.
Don't see how that wins votes.
On the bright side the younger voters who backed Corbyn got to see him almost immediately pursue a Brexit policy that is completely at odds with their best interests. The sense of apathy and helplessnes this creates will serve them well as they spend the rest of their lives toiling in the Tories' underground sugar caves.
Sorry, I should have been clearer. I wasn’t seriously suggesting this would be a good or realistic idea. Just that it would be technically possible, if we wanted to be utter cnuts about it.
That’s not quite right, as I understand it.
Long term budgets have to pass the EU Council unianimaously. In fact, Cameron once threatened to veto the budget: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKBRE89604720121007
It set off thinking in the EU about how to operate on annual budgets, which can be passed on qualified majorities, even if very far from ideal from a practical point of view. https://www.euractiv.com/section/eu...ys-to-bypass-britain-s-eu-budget-veto-threat/
No worries mate. Honestly I thought of that option myself. However, it wouldn't really work. First of all the ECJ had made it clear that revocation of article 50 will need to be done in good faith + in line of the country's constitution. If the UK play dirty then the EU will wiggle out of it through either the former or through the latter (the UK has no constitution). Secondly what would happen is that the UK would piss off everybody which means that the UK risks to be punished under Article 7. Finally businesses would be absolutely terrified by the UK threatening an entire continent. If the UK can put a gun at Europe's head then imagine what they can do to them.
Winning votes isn't the chief concern for Labour anymore. Its a movement now.
Maybe we're getting out at the right time
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...naire-former-italian-prime-minister-tax-fraud
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...naire-former-italian-prime-minister-tax-fraud
Corbyn accuses May of holding talks as a stunt, then what the hell was his no confidence vote that he knew he’d never win?
Theresa May urges Jeremy Corbyn: Let's talk Brexit
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46901217
Corbyn should stand his ground .It's all a stunt , if she was really serious this should have taken place from the very beginning.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46901217
Corbyn should stand his ground .It's all a stunt , if she was really serious this should have taken place from the very beginning.
Good news that come with Brexit:
- Portugal airports are considering to hire a lot of people for visa checking. A Visa in Portugal costs 60 to 95€ and local authorities expect to make about 20M€ in Visas fees during a year if UK tourist flux remians the same.
You guys are going to pay more for a Visa than for a Ryanair flight when travelling to Algarve
Do you know how this would affect someone like myself?
I have a property in Portugal, Portuguese bank account, fiscal no etc but no citizenship as the property isn't worth over 500,000 euros.
If this god forbid does happen, do I pay the same tourist visa charge or are there concessions/exclusions for a property owner.
This sort of snarky comment is part of the problem I have with Leave voters. No solutions, just an incredibly naive and/or arrogant opinion of "oh we'll be fine, get on with it".
Utterly useless drivel.
Like a game of pass the bomb between Labour and Conservatives now.
The bomb being No Deal or No Brexit. Be the one holding the bomb when it goes off and that's you and party done for.
Corbyn quite content to leave the Conservatives holding the bomb knowing it plays into his 'look at what the Conservative-elite have done now'.
Conservatives going in hard on Corbyn and Co's socialist-vision in order to paint them as Brexit saboteurs. The invite to cross-party talks is essentially an invite to help diffuse the bomb, all whilst knowing that if it does go off, both parties are badly wounded.
The bomb being No Deal or No Brexit. Be the one holding the bomb when it goes off and that's you and party done for.
Corbyn quite content to leave the Conservatives holding the bomb knowing it plays into his 'look at what the Conservative-elite have done now'.
Conservatives going in hard on Corbyn and Co's socialist-vision in order to paint them as Brexit saboteurs. The invite to cross-party talks is essentially an invite to help diffuse the bomb, all whilst knowing that if it does go off, both parties are badly wounded.
There are no vetoes on the budget, the only time where unanimity is needed is regarding the adoption of its legal framework but even then:
Paragraph 4, Art.312 of the TFEU:
Then on the actual budget:
Art.314 of the TFEU
Art.315 of the TFEU - Failure to adopt the budget
I think the bloke is a bit of moron and I definitely won't be voting for him but self-interested is one thing I'd never describe him as.
I presume it was the financial framework that Cameron threatened to veto and got everyone in a panic then.
I am a bit lost with this subject. Will they need a visa to go on holidays to Schengen countries? I don't think It's a good idea.Good news that come with Brexit:
- Portugal airports are considering to hire a lot of people for visa checking. A Visa in Portugal costs 60 to 95€ and local authorities expect to make about 20M€ in Visas fees during a year if UK tourist flux remians the same.
You guys are going to pay more for a Visa than for a Ryanair flight when travelling to Algarve
I mean,the rule Will be with EU or every country can establish conditions with UK?
Corbyn is clearly engineering the situation so he can sit on his hands as much as possible whilst appearing to take a principled stance.
Thinks he’s some kind of master Machiavellian by trying to make a weak PM look even weaker with the aim of getting his hands on those levers of power.
No doubt he’ll be getting his fiddle out when the UK goes up in flames as he thinks May & the Tories will take all the flak thus benefitting Labour.
Well, culpable as the Tories are (and by god they are culpable) so too will Jeremy Corbyn be culpable for contributing feck all to the situation when asked.
Unbelievable that a man who has spoken in the past to some dubious organisations won’t cross the hall go and talk with the PM.
Hopefully the likes of Hilary Benn & Yvette Cooper ignore the Labour leadership and engage.
Clement Attlee will be turning in his grave.
Fecking hell, imagine if we had been stuck with May & Corbyn when we stood alone in 1940? Doesn’t bear thinking about does it?
Thinks he’s some kind of master Machiavellian by trying to make a weak PM look even weaker with the aim of getting his hands on those levers of power.
No doubt he’ll be getting his fiddle out when the UK goes up in flames as he thinks May & the Tories will take all the flak thus benefitting Labour.
Well, culpable as the Tories are (and by god they are culpable) so too will Jeremy Corbyn be culpable for contributing feck all to the situation when asked.
Unbelievable that a man who has spoken in the past to some dubious organisations won’t cross the hall go and talk with the PM.
Hopefully the likes of Hilary Benn & Yvette Cooper ignore the Labour leadership and engage.
Clement Attlee will be turning in his grave.
Fecking hell, imagine if we had been stuck with May & Corbyn when we stood alone in 1940? Doesn’t bear thinking about does it?
The intention is for May to get her deal accepted wuthour delaying exit, revoking A50 or having another referendum. She is offering nothing meaningful to discuss.