Someone who liked it on my TL voted remain. I genuinely think many people are really are lapping this stuff up from both sides whether you like it or not.
Brexited | the worst threads live the longest
- Thread starter Silva
- Start date
-
In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Junk is a proper drunken turd that should feck off now
We all know that creating an enemy to deflect blame is what the Tories are best at they've been doing it for decades after all.
This latest 'Freedom clause' (lol) is a prime example of it. I mean all we want is our freedom why won't they give us our freedom damn eu
This latest 'Freedom clause' (lol) is a prime example of it. I mean all we want is our freedom why won't they give us our freedom damn eu
I don't get this. The UK wants out. The EU had been quite accommodating waiting for the UK to decide what deal it wants and working within the red lines May had set to come out with a deal. Now they want to reopen everything again. Is it within the EU prerogative to say no?
Brexiters seems to be unable to understand the EU has to protect it´s own interests first and foremost in any negotiation. Brexiters really need to drop those illusions of grandeur that the United Kingdom has the divine right to bulldoze every other country´s interests and plans, and that everyone should bow down to the United Kingdoms demands no matter how ridiculous they are to the side on the other half of the negotiation table. The far right are slowly destroying both the US and the UK with their extremist blind nationalism based propaganda and agenda in both countries. The form of nationalism they are pushing are venomous to any society as it making people into zealots where all reason and logic no longer has much effect on them. A country run by a void of logic and science based facts will destroy it self in the long term.
So as expected the Tories are going to feck the country, having managed to set up the EU as the ones to blame. Let's see how well that works when the disasterous effects of no-deal crash into people's reality.
Which is why I said 'numpties are lapping it up'. I never said there wasn't a shortage of them in this country.
My bad, I misread that as you thinking we don't have many numpties in this country
My bad, I misread that as you thinking we don't have many numpties in this country
I reckon at least 52%. Probably more now.
We're still in fantasy land.
Brexit backstop amendment would give May 'enormous firepower'
Theresa May would go back to Brussels with “enormous firepower” to renegotiate her Brexit deal if the Commons backed an amendment watering down the Irish backstop provision, a senior Conservative backbencher has said before a crucial series of votes.
Graham Brady said he was hopeful of ministerial support for his amendment, which says the backstop should be replaced by “alternative arrangements to avoid a hard border”, even though Ireland has repeatedly stressed such a change cannot happen.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...p-amendment-would-give-may-enormous-firepower
Brexit backstop amendment would give May 'enormous firepower'
Theresa May would go back to Brussels with “enormous firepower” to renegotiate her Brexit deal if the Commons backed an amendment watering down the Irish backstop provision, a senior Conservative backbencher has said before a crucial series of votes.
Graham Brady said he was hopeful of ministerial support for his amendment, which says the backstop should be replaced by “alternative arrangements to avoid a hard border”, even though Ireland has repeatedly stressed such a change cannot happen.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...p-amendment-would-give-may-enormous-firepower
Now what do Labour do here?
Vote against it and they'll be the Brexit blockers ruining the plan to get a deal.
Or
Vote for it to avoid negative press knowing it'll never get past the EU, however they'd be giving May a victory and strengthening anti-eu sentiment.
Fixed for you, Grauniad.
they vote against it I think - though probably 10 MP's from other parties (labour & libs) might vote for it (plus the DUP probably will)
In theory that's enough for it to pass but equally I suspect some conservatives (20?) will vote against it meaning it fails by a handful of votes
in a similar vein I think the cooper ammendment will also be pretty close - perhaps just passing by a handful of votes
Then yeah its the "will of the people" vs the "will of parliament"
What depressing choices. It feels like the chances of a second referendum are ebbing away by the minute.
UK still negotiating with itself.
Tuesday, the day of meaningless amendments.
Everyone, media, parliament and people all with their fingers in their ears singing "la,la, la, can't hear you."
Tuesday, the day of meaningless amendments.
Everyone, media, parliament and people all with their fingers in their ears singing "la,la, la, can't hear you."
What does 'alternative amendments to avoid a hard border' even mean? Is it quantifiable or just literally that sentence on a bit of paper?
It's something that's going to be invented in 20 years time.
I'm convinced some European leader stole your dummy when you were a baby.
its something they can say they are trying to do for around 4 to 6 weeks before saying the EU are nasty bullys now we have to leave with no deal and its all their fault
I think we're back to the magical invisible border using technology that doesn't even exist yet
Nothing changed since December. The withdrawal agreement is still dreadful. The backstop still won't be removed unless we negate it and agree to permanently join the customs union and probably single market as well. Desperate times for the government and the conservative party.
The cooper amendment is the only thing interesting happening, let's see if it passes and if it does by how many votes.
There is also this:
This pretty much sums up the negotiation "strategy" for the last two years
May has been a total and complete disaster as PM.
The cooper amendment is the only thing interesting happening, let's see if it passes and if it does by how many votes.
There is also this:
This pretty much sums up the negotiation "strategy" for the last two years
May has been a total and complete disaster as PM.
It's like they've seen those Microsoft and IBM adverts about smart cities and AI and they think it's just round the corner.
I'm still bemused they haven't taken any kind of action to confirm the feasibility of such an endeavour in the 2 years they've had.
well if they did that they would also then have to admit it wont work (or at least not until long after the transition agreement and as such the backstop would come into force) - as I was once told by a previous manager - don't ask a question you don't want the answer to as you gain a problem and you loose plausible deniability
Sounds like you and Junk got a lot in common.
Fiddling whilst Rome burns.
Downing Street lobby briefing - Summary
Here are the main points from the Number 10 lobby briefing.
So despite the fact that the other 27 EU nations said the deal cannot change and that the British PM herself actually negotiated the deal and that the backstop is there because the UK don't want to be in the CU or SM which makes the backstop necessary, all the other countries have to change because UK parliament voted the agreement down and if the EU doesn't change its stance the UK will commit suicide, so there.
Here are the main points from the Number 10 lobby briefing.
- Downing Street said explicitly that the Brexit withdrawal deal would have to change.
- The prime minister’s spokesman suggested that, despite EU claims that the withdrawal agreement could not be renegotiated the EU would have to compromise. Asked about EU objections to a renegotiation, he said:
So despite the fact that the other 27 EU nations said the deal cannot change and that the British PM herself actually negotiated the deal and that the backstop is there because the UK don't want to be in the CU or SM which makes the backstop necessary, all the other countries have to change because UK parliament voted the agreement down and if the EU doesn't change its stance the UK will commit suicide, so there.
These are all-time bad uses of the words "therefore" and "clearly".
Idiots. They were fecking warned that trying to re-open the withdrawl agreement could lead to some of the 27 trying to add in their own additional terms, which could feck the whole thing up. The 27 weren't all over the moon about the agreement that was reached, there was significant compromise on both sides. Now with just 61 days to go until we leave, they want to re-open that entire can of worms and risk it all falling to pieces. Goddamn morons.
If I'm not mistaken the initial proposition was that NI stays in the CU and the SM which would allow no border between NI and ROI while also respecting the referendum results in NI. Maybe the EU should publicly offer that deal once again, it doesn't need any backstop.
cant get through parliament due to the conservatives who need the DUP votes - and their only real read line in this whole thing is not treating NI different to the UK
Yes it was , seems the logical solution to the backstop, but May still refers to it fairly often saying no British PM would allow a border in the Irish Sea and splitting the country etc. Then you have the DUP.
That's why I talked about making it public, the point would be to expose the government and DUP. They are the ones that created an issue when two solutions have been offered.
It may seem logical but it's not going to be logical to a lot of NI citizens. Half of NI identify themselves as British. Just because there was a majority to stay in the EU does not mean those people would prefer to not have a border with a country they don't see themselves as part of over a country they do see themselves as part of.
in fairness its already public - we all know that was offered and we all know the reasons it didnt work - and the thought of the DUP responding to public preassure is again a non starter - they just dont care
Yep. Which is largely what the Irish FM was alluding to when he pointed out that the current agreement had been designed around the UK's red lines & that the DUP don't speak for NI.
May still trying the "I'll kill everyone and myself if I don't get what I want tactic"
Yes I realise that.
There is no real answer .
From a practical point of view the UK has to stay in the CU/SM which is also refused by the UK parliament.
There is no way the UK can have a real Brexit without breaking the GFA.
There are too many to be able to list them all.