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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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Relfy said:
Complete and utter shambles. How are we simply being led off the edge of a cliff and nothing and no one is doing anything to stop it? We have a choice of a deal which suits no one but May, no deal which is by all accounts going to drive the country into financial ruin, and we're seemingly too scared to either provide a final vote or revoke this disaster in case people get upset. What do they think the reaction will be if companies keep closing and jobs keep being lost? What about when the already struggling NHS can't cope any more? What about the almost inevitable hard border and serious risk of the troubles kicking off again? It's as if they think people will just shrug their shoulders and be happy we're out of the EU.

The fact that there's no opposition standing against this and campaigning is lunacy. How is it that someone like James O'Brien is the biggest voice against Brexit and not one of the opposition shutting down the pure lies coming from Farage/Boris/JRM et al?
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The answer is Party Politics.

Sad times.
 
Relfy said:
It's as if they think people will just shrug their shoulders and be happy we're out of the EU.
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This is exactly what people are going to do. They'll also blame anything bad that happens to them on Remainers or the EU, instead of looking at how daft they've been.

It's reached the stage where even if you told everyone that no one in the UK would have a job after a no deal Brexit, they'd still want it because "will of the people".
 
It's stupid extending A50 without some sort of promise of change to the political landscape. The problem is there is no parliamentary arithmetic to do anything, not now, not next year.
 
Relfy said:
It's as if they think people will just shrug their shoulders and be happy we're out of the EU.
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Have you gone on some of the forums in places where companies are closing? These people are either blaming the companies or the EU. Our politicians will let anything happen as long as they do not take the fall. This country is beyond redemption.
 
Klopper76 said:
This is exactly what people are going to do. They'll also blame anything bad that happens to them on Remainers or the EU, instead of looking at how daft they've been.

It's reached the stage where even if you told everyone that no one in the UK would have a job after a no deal Brexit, they'd still want it because "will of the people".
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Yes, because the vast majority of leave voters didn't vote on an economic basis, indeed for many of them why should they, having been left behind by that economy?
Leavers collectively are a motely crew, but their main theme was as someone once said, " to get our country back". Whether you think that stupid, or xenophobic or racist, or all the above, no sane politician is going to stand up against that sentiment when 17.4 million voted for it, because it is "the will of the people"...right or wrong. Therefore unless a politician is ready to retire, or fancies a change of career, they wont stand against it when push comes to shove, which its about to do shortly.

May is the only one who can save us now from "the will of the people" and by a massive act of self-sacrifice. If she can't face down the EU to amend the backstop, or the ERG to bully them into accepting her deal, then rather than allow a no deal she will capitulate... think of her legacy after that!
 
Fully on board for the next 2 weeks watching Chuka's goofballs trying to balance their apparent desire for this and instinctive opposition to anything tabled by Corbyn. Didn't think we'd ever top last week.
 
'jezbollah' in 5...4...3...2...
 
Think the obvious question for Labour is, if they got what they want on the Brexit deal, would they still back a public vote or not? If yes then this is a major shift in policy. If not then it’s not really a change in position from their conference vote, albeit it is a definite change in tone.
 
I suspect this will probably be a referendum on whether or not they should be the ones to negotiate from their position instead of the Tories, as opposed to an actual referendum on Brexit or anything like that. Which would be fairly absurd considering we're a literal month away from this all happening.
 
Thankfully, looking at any potential second referendum, we haven't had the sudden appearance of a bunch of morons who've spent the best part of a week going on TV and radio explaining that not everything needs a second vote when the circumstances of the previous one change, who will be arguing for the remain side of matters.
 
The statement is not exactly crystal clear but it seems Corbyn has finally come off the fence. Probably forced out of him by threat of further defections but welcome nonetheless.
 
Dobba said:
Thankfully, looking at any potential second referendum, we haven't had the sudden appearance of a bunch of morons who've spent the best part of a week going on TV and radio explaining that not everything needs a second vote when the circumstances of the previous one change, who will be arguing for the remain side of matters.
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Considering you've largely been supportive of Corbyn's strategy not to have one until now, does this worry/concern you at all?
 
Now come the fun questions as to which way they'd campaign.
 
Cheesy said:
Considering you've largely been supportive of Corbyn's strategy not to have one until now, does this worry/concern you at all?
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Knowing that any whichever option is closest to remain in this second referendum will be lead by said 'Not everything needs another vote' morons? Oh good lord, yeah. Any second referendum would have been bad but, given the last week or so, this going to be an absolute car crash.

That said, using Chuka and co's 'We're not a party' excuse for why they have no policies, to beat them to calling for a second vote is pretty funny. At least I have something to laugh at before someone starts the fans and begins rolling shit into balls.
 
I'm no political guru but I can't see the point. What happens when the amendment is defeated? It will be defeated.
I've long stopped bashing Corbyn, he's a passenger at the moment, there's nothing he can do. There's nothing he could have done for a while now. Corbyn's mistakes came after the vote. He should have been putting forth the argument for CU/SM as soon as the vote went on. Instead, he was busy banging on about how we must invoke A50 and all the pie in the sky future relationship scenarios.
 
MoskvaRed said:
The statement is not exactly crystal clear but it seems Corbyn has finally come off the fence. Probably forced out of him by threat of further defections but welcome nonetheless.
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I really don't think the defections have had an influence on this decision. This is his final throw of the dice to stop May's suicidal strategy.
 
Yeah, looks like this is really a reframing of the same position. From the Grauniad.

“Labour has said this evening that the second referendum portion of its move is aimed at preventing Theresa May from forcing through either her deal as it stands or no deal – not necessarily at stopping Brexit in any form.

If the prime minister were to adopt a Brexit stance Labour felt it could back, there would be no push for a second referendum.”

On the other hand this is bound to fail so maybe we’ll end up with Labour properly supporting a second ref after all.
 
Dobba said:
In fairness, TINGE's policy on a second vote definitely played a part. Oh wait, they haven't got one, they're not a party. :lol:
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:lol: I don't even think they left the party cause of brexit. They said they'll back May in a confidence vote ffs.
 
Adisa said:
I'm no political guru but I can't see the point. What happens when the amendment is defeated? It will be defeated.
I've long stopped bashing Corbyn, he's a passenger at the moment, there's nothing he can do. There's nothing he could have done for a while now. Corbyn's mistakes came after the vote. He should have been putting forth the argument for CU/SM as soon as the vote went on. Instead, he was busy banging on about how we must invoke A50 and all the pie in the sky future relationship scenarios.
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Wasn't this the same as in January which was defeated in the HoC?

https://labour.org.uk/press/labour-tables-amendment-break-brexit-deadlock/
 
Woah Jeremy Corbyn.

As i understand it, the 2nd ref vote is subject to Labour losing an ammendment which adopts the Labour solution to brexit.

I have the sad feeling that both amendments will be defeated but you never know.
 
Great. So 33 days before we crash out, he’s going to put Labours alternative plan (which he has no idea whether is actually possible or not) to the house, and when that inevitably fails then he’ll back a public vote. With less than a month to go until the exit date.

Brilliant. Thanks Jeremy. Twat.
 
Kentonio said:
Great. So 33 days before we crash out, he’s going to put Labours alternative plan (which he has no idea whether is actually possible or not) to the house, and when that inevitably fails then he’ll back a public vote. With less than a month to go until the exit date.

Brilliant. Thanks Jeremy. Twat.
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Agreed. He probably should have gone to Brussels in the last few weeks to discuss it with them.
 
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