Bundesliga 13/14

Borussia Dortmund just announced their numbers for the financial year 12/13.
€305m revenue (up from €215m the year before) and their annual profit was €53m.

http://aktie.bvb.de/eng/IR-News/Ad-...results-for-the-financial-year-2012-201364753

That would've put them 6th (€10m behind Chelsea and €20m ahead of Arsenal) in the last Deloitte FML, however given Arsenal's new kit deal and the overall increased income form the PL's tv deal those numbers probably don't mean much anymore.
Still it's pretty huge for German football, since it puts them around €100m ahead of the third team Schalke and around €175m ahead of the fourth team Hamburg/Leverkusen). If they can keep it up we might very well see the much dreaded parallels to La Liga.

And some girl (16 years old apparently) told the press that she had sex with multiple players from (Hertha BSC) Berlin. If this turns out to be true it will probably turn into a huge scandal.
 
Pretty great numbers for Dortmund and only the second German team to break the 300M € mark. Of course this is revenue was pretty high due to them reaching the CL final but the numbers are still pretty good for them.

I wonder if we will see some of the more important players getting their contracts extend for improved conditions?
 
Well afaik pretty much all of Dortmund's players have their contracts running until 16 or 17 at least.
The exceptions I remember are
Kehl 2014 - age
Gündogan 2015 - hey are already trying to extend it
Reus contract runs until 16 or 17 too, but he got a release clause for supposedly €35m in 2015, but according to the media they are already offering a new contract without any clause
Hofmann 2015 - his future is probably to uncertain for him to sign a longer contract


In any case their priority should be to keep Klopp happy and make him sign a longer contract.
 
Great stuff from Dortmund. And they've achieved all of this through much lesser spending than other top clubs. Hopefully other clubs like schalke see that and try to emulate it so Germany can have a better league.
 
I wouldn't call it emulating, since relying on young players and keeping an eye on your finances is hardly stuff Dortmund invented, it's just the logical thing to do for most German clubs.
The biggest impact of Dortmund's success was probably that they proved that you can win trophies with a bunch of kids. In the years before Dortmund's success the public and media were obsessed with players like Ballack or Effenberg, to some extend van Bommel. Experienced, strong, masculine players who have some aura of authority around them - who'd take the reins when the team struggles. Dortmund didn't have such a player (apart from Kehl to some extend, but he was injured most of the time anyway), their team's hierarchy seemed pretty flat which the public and media which was probably some kind if innovation for a successful team.


Schalke for example have a very young squad and have had a great academy for some years now. They just don't have a great manager and coach to make that work for them like Dortmund did.
 
do.ob said:
I wouldn't call it emulating, since relying on young players and keeping an eye on your finances is hardly stuff Dortmund invented, it's just the logical thing to do for most German clubs.
The biggest impact of Dortmund's success was probably that they proved that you can win trophies with a bunch of kids. In the years before Dortmund's success the public and media were obsessed with players like Ballack or Effenberg, to some extend van Bommel. Experienced, strong, masculine players who have some aura of authority around them - who'd take the reins when the team struggles. Dortmund didn't have such a player (apart from Kehl to some extend, but he was injured most of the time anyway), their team's hierarchy seemed pretty flat which the public and media which was probably some kind if innovation for a successful team.
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Yeah, funny to see how the ineffable "Führungsspieler"-discussion vanished in the moment Dortmund rose :)

Will be interesting to see how the BVB story continues. Finacially they seem well off for the next couple of years even if last years international succes can't be repeated immediately. Of course they see a huge rise in their monthly salaries to be paid; including Lewa with his new contract, they should have 5-6 players in an EPL-worthy income class (Mykhitarian, Auba, Lewa, Reus, Hummels...) as opposed to about 0 three years ago. So a steady cash inflow is crucial for them, i doubt running costs can be covered by playing Buli alone. The pressure is definitely there.

Last year, Kloppo was a bit less successful than usual in guiding younger players to the first team (Bittencourt, Leitner, Schieber) - this might be a crucial point because it might lead to the even younger ones having second thoughts of joining them.
 
strongwalker said:
Yeah, funny to see how the ineffable "Führungsspieler"-discussion vanished in the moment Dortmund rose :)

Will be interesting to see how the BVB story continues. Finacially they seem well off for the next couple of years even if last years international succes can't be repeated immediately. Of course they see a huge rise in their monthly salaries to be paid; including Lewa with his new contract, they should have 5-6 players in an EPL-worthy income class (Mykhitarian, Auba, Lewa, Reus, Hummels...) as opposed to about 0 three years ago. So a steady cash inflow is crucial for them, i doubt running costs can be covered by playing Buli alone. The pressure is definitely there.

Last year, Kloppo was a bit less successful than usual in guiding younger players to the first team (Bittencourt, Leitner, Schieber) - this might be a crucial point because it might lead to the even younger ones having second thoughts of joining them.
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Dortmund goes through a natural evolution process atm. A few years back they were still the underdog and even after their first title win not many believed they would be able to repeat it. During this time it was easier for young players to break into the squad because Dortmund wasn't seen as a favorite that everyone wanted to beat. This changed after their second title win and the cup on top of that. All of a sudden they were the team to beat in Germany and had to be at their best in every game to win it leaving little room for experiments with young players.

On top of that they needed to show the ambition to improve their squad with good players like Reus if they wanted to send a signal to their best players that they wanted to progress as a club and it was worth staying at the club. Suddenly they are in the same position as Bayern if they would just keep trying to integrate youth players, which might or might not succeed their top players would start asking themselves if they could still achieve their goals with Dortmund, especially after they lost some of their best players with Kagawa and Götze. Either they bring in quality replacements or they might end up suffering the same fate as Arsenal and over the next years even more top players would leave looking for glory elsewhere.
 
do.ob said:
Well afaik pretty much all of Dortmund's players have their contracts running until 16 or 17 at least.
The exceptions I remember are
Kehl 2014 - age
Gündogan 2015 - hey are already trying to extend it
Reus contract runs until 16 or 17 too, but he got a release clause for supposedly €35m in 2015, but according to the media they are already offering a new contract without any clause
Hofmann 2015 - his future is probably to uncertain for him to sign a longer contract


In any case their priority should be to keep Klopp happy and make him sign a longer contract.
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Yeah most players have long running contracts but if you as a club increase your financial gain the players will want to have a part of it and rightly so. If they see the club is making a shitload of cash but the players aren't profiting enough these players might be inclined to look if there aren't other clubs around who might pay them better.

So I guess some players will be in for a pay rise sooner or later to keep them happy even if they only extend their contract for another year.
 
do.ob said:
I wouldn't call it emulating, since relying on young players and keeping an eye on your finances is hardly stuff Dortmund invented, it's just the logical thing to do for most German clubs.
The biggest impact of Dortmund's success was probably that they proved that you can win trophies with a bunch of kids. In the years before Dortmund's success the public and media were obsessed with players like Ballack or Effenberg, to some extend van Bommel. Experienced, strong, masculine players who have some aura of authority around them - who'd take the reins when the team struggles. Dortmund didn't have such a player (apart from Kehl to some extend, but he was injured most of the time anyway), their team's hierarchy seemed pretty flat which the public and media which was probably some kind if innovation for a successful team.


Schalke for example have a very young squad and have had a great academy for some years now. They just don't have a great manager and coach to make that work for them like Dortmund did.
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I wasn't implying that it's not happened before ever but it's a pretty special thing what they achieved IMO. To build a young team that plays such high quality football without spending big is not something you see all the time. I'm just saying that it gives other teams hope that they can be right up there as well. Would be great for German football if there could be more teams that can challenge for top honors at home and abroad every year. The worry at this stage for me is that bayern could run away with things with the sort of talent they have. So I hope the likes of Dortmund and schalke keep up and keep the league as competitive at the top as possible.
 
Somehow Dortmund only managed to win 1-0 against Werder Bremen, despite having around 30 shots and wasting chance after chance. Almost cost them a couple of points as Di Santo had a great chance at the end. Cracking game, enjoyed it very much.
 
NoLogo said:
Yeah most players have long running contracts but if you as a club increase your financial gain the players will want to have a part of it and rightly so. If they see the club is making a shitload of cash but the players aren't profiting enough these players might be inclined to look if there aren't other clubs around who might pay them better.

So I guess some players will be in for a pay rise sooner or later to keep them happy even if they only extend their contract for another year.
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That has already happened in several cases. Weidenfeller, Bender, Schmelzer, Kuba, Großkreutz and Piszczek all signed new contracts in the last 12 months with way better conditions.The offer, which will soon lay on Gündogan´s table will include a salary, which will surely be several times higher than what he earns now. I also expect them to sit down with Reus soon and talk about getting rid of his release clause in 2015 in exchange for a hefty pay rise.

Dortmund´s wage bill will grow the stronger they become as a club. I expect them to have a wage bill of around 100 Mil. € in a few years, which will be quite easily be realisable giving their revenue.

I personally believe that despite needing to let Götze go, they set the right signals on the transfer market to show their ambitions to the fans and the players. Unlike the summer 2012, when they roughly kept the level of the team, they actually gotten stronger this summer:

They loaned Leitner to Stuttgart and sold Bittencourt to Hanover (with rebuy clause, though) and instead they pulled up the promising youngster Hofmann, who showed more in half a dozen games than Leitner in two years. For the leaving Santana they got the undoubtly superior Greek international Sokratis, who is one of the best defensive allrounder in the league, as a bargain (a player of his calibre would transfer in the PL for at least the double). Sahin is basically like a new signing (I know you hear that often on here :D) and gives their CM good depth. Aubameyang is the late replacement for Perisic and like Sokratis simply the stronger player. He gives them one hell of a second option for both wings as well as center forward.

What remains is Götze´s vacant position as CAM. I´m not gonna lie, the transfer and especially the way the little ungrateful cnut handled this whole thing shocked the fanbase of Dortmund and made us scared about the future. Who would succeed the possibly best player ever out of the own academy? Several names were brought up, some realistic (De Bruyne, Eriksen), some not so much (Isco, Kagawa). In the end they decided on Mkhitaryan. This choice left a lot people I know sceptical. Until they really checked him out and saw the first games in the dress of Dortmund. I rarely get really excited about new signings, but this man will prove to be golden for Dortmund and more than justify his 27Mil € price tag. I have no doubt he will fill the void that Götze left behind. Not because he is on his level in terms of pure individual class, but because his profile fits Klopp´s way to play football to an extend I have not seen since Kagawa.

There is no doubt about it. Dortmund is not an underdog anymore, at least nationally. They are the clear second force in Germany in every way and a solid candidate for the top 8 in Europe. The sole serious rival of the German juggernaut Bayern Munich.
 
Watched the Dortmund vs Werder Bremen game. Reus is a threat every time he gets possession. Literally every single goal scoring chance came from him (either shooting or forcing the chance), bar the time Kuba hit the crossbar. He really looks like a top quality player, & I don't even need to talk about his right foot. Lewandowski was terrible.
 
Cantona'sCollar said:
Watched the Dortmund vs Werder Bremen game. Reus is a threat every time he gets possession. Literally every single goal scoring chance came from him (either shooting or forcing the chance), bar the time Kuba hit the crossbar. He really looks like a top quality player, & I don't even need to talk about his right foot. Lewandowski was terrible.
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He was really great against Bremen even though I felt that sometimes he would have been better of shooting himself instead of playing another cross. Dortmund really needs to give him a new contract or else I'm pretty sure that sooner or later another club will be willing to pay the 35M € release clause.

I also think they should buy Sahin back he was really great as well and for a team that competes for three major trophies every year it's important to be able have someone like him in the squad. Naturally Sahin and Madrid will have to agree first but I feel this is a deal that could very well happen if you consider that Real just bought two more young CMs and still have Alonso, Modric and Khedira, so I guess Real won't be unwilling to let him go and maybe Sahin has finally realized that being at Dortmund isn't the worst thing after all.
 
I've read somewhere that Dortmund have a buy clause somewhere around €7m for him. They'd be stupid not to take it.
 
NoLogo said:
He was really great against Bremen even though I felt that sometimes he would have been better of shooting himself instead of playing another cross. Dortmund really needs to give him a new contract or else I'm pretty sure that sooner or later another club will be willing to pay the 35M € release clause.

I also think they should buy Sahin back he was really great as well and for a team that competes for three major trophies every year it's important to be able have someone like him in the squad. Naturally Sahin and Madrid will have to agree first but I feel this is a deal that could very well happen if you consider that Real just bought two more young CMs and still have Alonso, Modric and Khedira, so I guess Real won't be unwilling to let him go and maybe Sahin has finally realized that being at Dortmund isn't the worst thing after all.
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At 35 million, he's as good as gone - it's just a matter of time. Either Dortmund nail him down long-term or accept he's going to go (unless, of course, they miraculously usurp Bayern for the next few years). Sahin is a very good player, that is wasted at Madrid like they do with all their star players who don't end up as a regular first XI member. I think if they manage to land Sahin, they'll have a very good spine in the team - they still have Kehl around for a while, and Mkhitaryan looks to be quite talented. With Lewandowski potentially going next summer, I think they won't struggle too much to replace him. & you're right about Sahin realizing Dortmund is not the worst thing for him after all - he said, as he returned to Dortmund from Real & Pool, that he realized very quickly that Dortmund is the only place where he can see himself playing. I cannot find the exact interview, but I remember reading quotes.

Ultimately, after everyone predicting doom & gloom for Dortmund after Bayern's resurgence and the recent transfer dealings (most notably, Gotze), it's not shaping up to be as bad as they thought. Aubameyang, while not proven, does look good, & Reus is getting better and better every week. If they can hold on to Hummels & resist turning into Bayern's feeder club, they will have another good shot at the next few titles, no doubt.
 
They need to throw silly money at Gündogan, if it helps to convince him to stay. He's by far their most important player. If he extends his contract, maybe they can convince Reus to stay longer than 2015 (when his buyout clause can be triggered). If they still have Gündogan, Reus, Hummels and Bender in the team when the 2015/16 season starts, they probably have established themselves as a top 8 club in Europe. Gündogan is imo the one really significant step they have to take. I really hope they make it and that those FFP rules will help them.
 
Götze and Thiago start together today in Bayern's game against Nürnberg.

----------- Mandzukic
Ribery ------------------ Robben
------- Thiago --- Götze
-------- Schweinsteiger
Alaba -- Dante -- Boateng -- Lahm
------------- Neuer
 
Balu said:
They need to throw silly money at Gündogan, if it helps to convince him to stay. He's by far their most important player. If he extends his contract, maybe they can convince Reus to stay longer than 2015 (when his buyout clause can be triggered). If they still have Gündogan, Reus, Hummels and Bender in the team when the 2015/16 season starts, they probably have established themselves as a top 8 club in Europe. Gündogan is imo the one really significant step they have to take. I really hope they make it and that those FFP rules will help them.
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I think the most important person is by far Klopp. I don't thin it's a coincindence that most players extended their contracts until 2016 (that's when Klopp's expires too). If he stay I don't think they really rely on a single player. But if he goes his successor can ruin everyting within a couple of seasons.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Great stuff from Dortmund. And they've achieved all of this through much lesser spending than other top clubs. Hopefully other clubs like schalke see that and try to emulate it so Germany can have a better league.
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There has always been a lot of turbulence in the Bundesliga. Outside of Bayern Munich the top positions have been revolving doors. Only Dortmund have managed to stay at the top, and do well in Europe at the same time.
 
Balu said:
Götze and Thiago start together today in Bayern's game against Nürnberg.

----------- Mandzukic
Ribery ------------------ Robben
------- Thiago --- Götze
-------- Schweinsteiger
Alaba -- Dante -- Boateng -- Lahm
------------- Neuer
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I just came looking at that midfield. fecking hell, looks cracking on paper.
 
Martinez is still not 100% fit after missing most of the pre-season because of the confed cup. It's strange though, should have been enough time until now and Sammer was really pissed after he traveled for a friendly to Ecuador with the nationalteam and came back totally exhausted and not fit to play in the league. If he isn't an option for the one defensive midfield spot, he will struggle to start regularly anyway. Boateng and Dante are a great centerback partnership and Martinez hasn't been convincing at all in that position so far.
 
Salihovic scored from a penalty for Hoffenheim and got sent off in the same minute. Wonder what happened there :lol:
 
Scorpy said:
Salihovic scored from a penalty for Hoffenheim and got sent off in the same minute. Wonder what happened there :lol:
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Appearantly slapped a Freiburg player in the face.

Freiburg also equalized by now.

Bayern with 86 (!) % possesion, but the best chance had Nürnberg with a distance shot that hit the cross bar.

Schalke also in major trouble. They are down 0-1 and one man after a foul by their captain Höwedes as last man.

EDIT: OK, now I saw the scene in Hoffenheim. Laughable red IMO. Calling that touch a slap is an exaggeration in by itself.
 
Sphaero said:
Appearantly slapped a Freiburg player in the face.

Freiburg also equalized by now.

Bayern with 86 (!) % possesion, but the best chance had Nürnberg with a distance shot that hit the cross bar.

Schalke also in major trouble. They are down 0-1 and one man after a foul by their captain Höwedes as last man.
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weird way to celebrate a goal.
 
How's Ginter? Should be soon be making a move to Bayern/Dortmund/Schalke? Heard a lot of him last year.
 
Some crazy stuff is going on, Schalke is down to 10 men as well, Höwedes got sent off and a penalty was given for Hannover. Huszti scored, so Hannover is up 1-0. Schalke is really in trouble if they loose today. Should be an interesting highlight show later.
 
Schalke are also in danger of failing to make the Champions League group stages. Would be a disaster of a start if they lose today and get eliminated next week.
 
Scorpy said:
Schalke are also in danger of failing to make the Champions League group stages. Would be a disaster of a start if they lose today and get eliminated next week.
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Would be Keller´s end as manager as far as I see it.

Leverkusen also 1-0 up vs. Gladbach after a very soft pen for them.
 
Anyone seen the penalty scene at Hannover? Deserved red for Höwedes?
 
Leverkusen 2-0 up. Solid start of the season for them. Sidney Sam with the goal.
 
Penalty for Bayern :lol: really poor decision by the ref.

saved!! Alaba misses.
 
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