He really Jordan Hendersons those chances, eh?
Cavani's missed chances vs Metz & let's talk about di maria too
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I reckon Zlatan would have scored about 80% of those chances.
Just imagine, going from Zlatan to Cavani.
Just imagine, going from Zlatan to Cavani.
Di Maria would've been perfect in this current side I think. Put him next to Pogba in front of Fellaini, Mkhitaryan on the right, Martial left, and Ibra up top...Wank worthy stuff 
It didn't work out because he probably didn't like Van Gaals methods very quickly in and decided that he was too good to be wasting his time in a team like Van Gaal's when it so clearly did not suit him so you can't really argue with that. No reason for him to stick with a struggling team when any team in the world would buy him.
On Cavani... I never rated him. Wastes so many chances.
It didn't work out because he probably didn't like Van Gaals methods very quickly in and decided that he was too good to be wasting his time in a team like Van Gaal's when it so clearly did not suit him so you can't really argue with that. No reason for him to stick with a struggling team when any team in the world would buy him. On Cavani... I never rated him. Wastes so many chances.
I didn't leave out the big games. Those stats that I "threw around" was his goal scoring record in CL. Bar last season, He has a damn good record in the CL.
I will admit he has looked suspect in the larger games of the Champions League. For example In the Barcelona QF he was dreadful two years ago if I can recall and pretty poor against Chelsea the year before, but notice that( as I have stated before) He is hardly ever playing in his favorable position and that is in front of goal. Its amazing how we can openly provide excuse after excuse if our young players aren't playing well, the most common one( he wasn't playing in his regular position), yet we criticize proven players when they face the same problem. Are we going to assume that because he has been poor in 3 Champions League QF matches, partly because he wasn't playing in his favored position that he isn't a great striker?
Bad games happen. Why are we letting one misreable game so early into the season clout our judgement.
I couldn't care less if everyone agreed.
False, Aguero has at least 1 game like that almost every season. I vividly remember his atrocious game against Burnley two seasons ago. Missed at least 4-5 chances, and that was in one of his best seasons.
Aguero's best season definitely wasn't better than Cavani's best season. Are you forgetting his Napoli days or should I give you a refresher?
Bad game for Cavani, happens to the best of them, but what stood out for me and apparently 90% of the people here was ADM's chance creation. Pity that for whatever circumstance be it location, weather or manager it didn't work out because holy shit. Pogba/ADM and a great DM is going to destroy plenty of teams.
Those "scoop" passes are one of my favourite things to see in a football game. I absolutely love them and it's one of the main reasons as to why the likes of Pastore, di Maria, Iniesta, Modric, Alexis, etc are some of my favourite players to watch.
I wish more of our players played those type of passes. Martial and Mata played a few towards the end of last season which was nice, but I want more!
To be fair 3-4 years ago he was virtually unstoppable.
You reckon? I don't know hey. I admittedly never watched him much at Napoli. He was super shit at the WC 2010, albeit he was deployed in a wide left role, as Uruguay had Forlan and Suarez.
A couple of games for Napoli in the UCL aside (I think it was against Chelsea or Arsenal where he scored a couple), he always seem to disappoint whenever I've watched him, especially in the biggest matches (knockout UCL matches).
So I never fully understood the hype around him. Obviously being deployed out wide at PSG for 3 years + could have affected his confidence and as I said, admittedly I didn't watch him a lot in serie a.
That is fair considering the fact that a lot of people didn't, but at least you have the balls to admit it. I can understand that since CL knockout matches are much easier to watch than Seria A( although it definitely has improved in recent years), and since Cavani hasn't done too hot in those matches it may affect peoples judgement, but I feel like there is a whole other side that people are overlooking when it comes to Cavani.
Then again only Cavani has himself to blame to go to a team that he knows damn well he will be played out of position
Cavani's movement is fantastic, that's why he has such a good goal ratio. His finishing is awfully inconsistent, and will stop him from ever becoming a great stiker.
Fair assesment. Who do you consider to be in your list of great strikers? Just curious.
Yeah I would imagine being deployed wide left for over 2-3 years wouldn't have helped any CF develop or progress. But like you said, he has only himself to blame for getting him in that situation.
Yeah it's a small sample to judge any player (UCL and UCL knockout matches + international tournaments) and it's a bit unfair because there are a lot of really good players who struggle on those stages as well. But that's just about all I've got to judge him on as I don't watch a lot of serie A or Ligue 1.
One of those players where I've never actually seen him score a goal.
Like Hulk, when he was in Europe.
Like Hulk, when he was in Europe.
When he rounded the keeper and just passed it back 
Wasn't even going to attempt that one.
Wasn't even going to attempt that one.It's not just one game, I've watched plenty of Cavani to know that he isn't that special, and to know that he is nowhere near as good as Aguero. I don't even know why are you comparing those two?
I don't really care about his days in Italy, I know he had good time there(altough he did score awful lot of penalties) during the time Seria A was in it's weakest period. During that time he was pretty shit in Europe, he had good games against City but I remember him embarrassing himself against Chelsea couple of times. Just checked, his record in Europe league while woth Napalo was shit too, scoring just against terrible sides that skewed his stats. That's something he is good at though.
Well I think it's quite telling that the top marksmen in World football, and the players that are the most threatening and sought after, are not strikers. I'd consider Messi as better from the right or a little deeper centrally, Ronaldo, Neymar and Sanchez from the left, Bale and Muller from the right.
The only truly great pure strikers in World football right now are Suarez, Lewandowski and Aguero, possibly Benzema too. I think that a great striker is one that you can expect to score when he gets a chance, and one who's movement gets them into those excellent positions from which to score on a regular basis. All a matter of opinion, of course.
You could have comfortably the best team in the world and you'd struggle in Europe this year. Mind you, given 8/9 players you listed currently play at United, you should really be expecting to challenge on all fronts immediately if your sentiments are correct.
So glad you sold Di Maria. A playmaker like him would've been the last piece of the puzzle.
Hopefully Mkhi steps up, though I don't rate him as highly as di Maria.
Shocked, when I watched him at Napoli I had him as the "ultimate striker"
His chance conversion could be a little low, but he created a lot of chances on his own with his movements and would always get to find a way to shoot no matter what, seeing this...
Someone should sign both him and Falcao and put them as strikers
His chance conversion could be a little low, but he created a lot of chances on his own with his movements and would always get to find a way to shoot no matter what, seeing this...
Someone should sign both him and Falcao and put them as strikers
Mourinho would take Mkhitaryan over Di Maria any day of the week, he fits his ethos far better. Not as creative but far more rounded a player.
Nah, Di Maria was actually shite. He struggled often to control the ball properly and complete simple passes from time to time.
He has lost his football by playing as a winger in the last 3 seasons.
However, I still believe in his revival
However, I still believe in his revival
His technical skills are very disappointing for a (former) top scorer.
Are the people who want Di Maria back ignoring the attitude he showed when here? Pretending to be injured always complaining putting in no effort .. You can't pin all that on Van Gaal he never wanted to be here and made that very clear so fk him .. Let him stay in his lil shit league
How can you possible formulate a decent argument about why Cavani is overrated and disregard his prime years
Out of the 103 goals he scored in Italy, 13 of them were penalties
Bull shit. Italy was loaded with many top talents and decent teams. By this logic, Neymar, Messi, Suarez, Real Madrid, and even our own Ibrahimovic are all shite because they play in allegely "shite" leagues.
I don't know why you refuse to offer evidence as to why not to compare the two. You haven't said anything of substance to claim that he isn't on par with Aguero.
He scored 7 goals in 7 games How on earth is that weak? By your logic of not scoring against top teams both Lewandonski and Aguero aren't that good aswell.
Metz are what, the QPR of Ligue 1? Creating a bucketload of chances against trash isn't going to have me thinking we should miss this guy
He's also played well against them too a couple of times. Including scoring against them with Napoli and PSG.
Anyway
Cavani right now is a player on a downward spiral, his finishing, touch, passing was always suspect even at Napoli but it wasn't that obvious due to the amount of goals he would score. However, he was a fine striker and one of Europe's best at the time.
I remember under Mourinho in Madrid he worked hard for the team.
I'm so disappointed it didn't work out for ADM here he was truly van gall-ed, the stupid Cnut with his boring, negative, no risk taking allowed philosophy
who knows under a much better manager in Mourinho who plays much better tactically, allows players to be creative and with the huge signings we have made he might have wanted to come back and play in this team and I'm sure we'd all take him if that was the case.
In hindsight it might have been a good idea to just loan out Di Maria to PSG last season rather than sell him for a loss after 1 season because I feel he would be amazing in this team now.
Shame really.
he was truly van gall-ed, the stupid Cnut with his boring, negative, no risk taking allowed philosophy who knows under a much better manager in Mourinho who plays much better tactically, allows players to be creative and with the huge signings we have made he might have wanted to come back and play in this team and I'm sure we'd all take him if that was the case.
In hindsight it might have been a good idea to just loan out Di Maria to PSG last season rather than sell him for a loss after 1 season because I feel he would be amazing in this team now.
Shame really.
Absolute nonsense. Di Maria was one of his most favourite players at Madrid & is clearly a better player.
Cavani was one of the best strikers in the world at Napoli, absolutely brilliant. I haven't watched much of him for Paris, but he has been dogshite in some UCL matches that I have watched. His record is still good though.
The highlight is hilarious, arguably the worst thing I have ever seen from a striker. The penultimate action in particular is a new level of terrible.
PS: for the comparisons, Cavani was never in the level of Aguero.
The highlight is hilarious, arguably the worst thing I have ever seen from a striker. The penultimate action in particular is a new level of terrible.
PS: for the comparisons, Cavani was never in the level of Aguero.
In the season with 29 goals, 7 were penalties. In season with 26, 5 were penalties, not bad.
I really don't understand this. Why would you think La Liga is shite league? Ibrahimovic proved himself in many other competitions too.
Are you kidding me? Aguero is (one of) the best PL players for years now, Cavani wasn't probably the best in any league he played. He is also not capable of putting performances Aguero did in his career against top teams.
Seriously? Out of 7 goals, 5 goals were against Dnipro, 4 coming in one game.
And the games for Uruguay at major tournaments? He struggles there too.
what's his excuse there?
So Did Cavani.
So was Cavani? Lie and tell he wasn't one of the best strikers in the world at the time? Cavani hasn't had great games against big teams?
So because he scores against smaller teams it automatically means his peformances were shit? Love the logic.
In the WC he was played out of position...but I won't lie he has been average for his country, but so have many top players.
The big difference being both consistently average on the top games for both club and country.
Why do you think his managers play him out of position so consistently when he is such a 'beast'?
Unless they too ,just like us fail to realize his beastiness.
Cavani is a bit like the Uruguayan Welbeck when you put him as a center forward. He'll work his socks off and provide a great work rate. But when you put him to lead the line and rely on him to score important goals...well those highlights are nothing new.
I remember in the 14/15 season, Ibra was injured and they moved Cavani in the center. That was September I think. He scored 1(from a penalty) in 4 and was sent off in the 4th game(getting 2 yellows in 1 minute). After that Ibra returned and Cavani scored something like 3-4 goals up until April. That's essentially him.
He has been played centrally at PSG and was relied on to replace Ibra when he was not fit, but failed to do so. He does scuff a lot of chances so all those criticisms are well.. true. He needs a lot of service to score the amount of goals he has and his biggest weapon is his heading inside the box and dead ball situations.
Apart from some random goals here and there against Chelsea (loves to score against them), missing at least couple along the way, I barely remember him having a good game against a decent opponent. Last year I think he was again played as CF in some games and was struggling.
Being played out of position is poor excuse, as apart from taking part in drubbings against minions he has been pretty average when played there as a main man.
I remember in the 14/15 season, Ibra was injured and they moved Cavani in the center. That was September I think. He scored 1(from a penalty) in 4 and was sent off in the 4th game(getting 2 yellows in 1 minute). After that Ibra returned and Cavani scored something like 3-4 goals up until April. That's essentially him.
He has been played centrally at PSG and was relied on to replace Ibra when he was not fit, but failed to do so. He does scuff a lot of chances so all those criticisms are well.. true. He needs a lot of service to score the amount of goals he has and his biggest weapon is his heading inside the box and dead ball situations.
Apart from some random goals here and there against Chelsea (loves to score against them), missing at least couple along the way, I barely remember him having a good game against a decent opponent. Last year I think he was again played as CF in some games and was struggling.
Being played out of position is poor excuse, as apart from taking part in drubbings against minions he has been pretty average when played there as a main man.
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People still think he's better than he is because with his cheek-bones and hair he looks like a great striker. Instead he's a slightly better Dzeko, and a poor player to have as the main striker for a club like PSG.