They only have Moses for the right position. Ox would like to play CM but he isn't good enough for that. He had 4 great months here. If he don't want to sign a new contract, 35€ mio would be a solid deal. Only problem there aren't many RWB on the market - we would need a Back-Up for Bellerin.
Chelsea 2017/18 thread - FA Cup Champs, League chumps
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They only have Moses for the right position. Ox would like to play CM but he isn't good enough for that. He had 4 great months here. If he don't want to sign a new contract, 35€ mio would be a solid deal. Only problem there aren't many RWB on the market - we would need a Back-Up for Bellerin.
True, but do you really feel that someone like Ox can just come off the bench and do a job as you defend your title? Or perhaps challenge someome like Fabregas to a starting spot?
Squad depth without improving the quality is just padding numbers. This is quantity over quality IMO.
I've not watched Ox play every week but wasn't his best run of form when he played through the middle?
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£35m is about right for Ox. Arsenal do need to shift some players and he is in the last year of his contract and doesn't seem likely to sign a new one. He is much better in the middle of the park imo and he should be able to get some time in that position with Fabregas being pretty flaky.
Crazy to think that if neither Sanchez, Ozil or Ox sign new contracts and leave on a free next summer Arsenal will have lost out on around £130-£150m in transfer fees, although there are numerous other players Wenger should try to get rid of first that seem to be on big wages and offer nothing. Perhaps that is the reason they can't get rid!
Crazy to think that if neither Sanchez, Ozil or Ox sign new contracts and leave on a free next summer Arsenal will have lost out on around £130-£150m in transfer fees, although there are numerous other players Wenger should try to get rid of first that seem to be on big wages and offer nothing. Perhaps that is the reason they can't get rid!
No subscription, but I read it this morning. The gist of it is that Conte and the board are divided over the age of Conte's targets. He wanted Bonucci previously and now wants VVD, Sandro, Llorente and Perisic, but the board would prefer he targets younger players with potential resale value.
The fact that two of the targets are 26 suggests to me that The Times is simply guessing.
I just did a quick Google of 'Chelsea targets' to remind myself of the names of Conte's apparent targets and saw that a load of other sources are rehashing the Times story, so you can see it in more detail elsewhere now.
I'd look for 40+ for ox tbh. English tax, rival tax, Chelsea are desperate for depth tax etc.
And if they don't want to pay it, then it's fine. Not all bad keeping ox, that said Walcott is available
The mismanagement of the squad just seems comical from the outside looking in. Matic, Chalobah, Loftus-Cheek, Baker, Pasalic and van Ginkel have all been allowed to leave and now Kante is the only recognised midfielder available against Spurs. How did that happen?
That will never happen. You'll probably get £25m plus bonuses of £5m-£10m. Otherwise Chelsea will most likely sign a pre-contract with him in January anyways. While he is a good player, he is not the most pressing need and the club wont go in the crazy money range for him.
Rudiger is the german Mangala
Err what? He was pretty good at the weekend.
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Couldn't watch the Tottenham game, so I have two questions to those who did:
1. How did Christensen and Rüdiger perform in defense? (I already heard Christensen played the Luiz role and Rüdiger replaced Cahill.)
2. How did David Luiz fare in midfield?
1. How did Christensen and Rüdiger perform in defense? (I already heard Christensen played the Luiz role and Rüdiger replaced Cahill.)
2. How did David Luiz fare in midfield?
Liked the look of Christensen but Rudiger looked average. Was given a torrid time and beaten repeatedly.
Christensen was much better in the 2nd half. Rudiger seemed to struggle a bit, got turned a few times by Kane. David Luiz was solid in midfield but Erickson did get away from him a few times. Spurs didn't use their full backs enough to stretch us and instead opted to go through the channels
Christensen was immense. Made one error that let Alli in behind where he missed a clearance but was otherwise excellent. Did very well to cover for both Rudiger and Azpilicueta in the first half, who were repeatedly pushed too far up. Rudiger improved in the second half a bit but didn't look as assured. In his defense though Eriksen stuck to his side and was Spurs' most dangerous player. The entire defense sat deeper and protected the channels much more in the second half, which noticeably helped matters.
Luiz was the biggest reason why we were able to compete with Spurs in midfield. He was brilliant at winning the ball back consistently and kept things simple in possession. This ultra-physical 3 man destroyer midfield is an intriguing option now I'd say to close out games or cope with teams that have a lot of power in central areas.
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Rudiger looks rubbish to be honest. Never really rated him and you have to question whether Chelsea even needed him. A German Mangala. Christensen looked a level or two above.
Luiz was fantastic however. And Bakayako showed flashes of his talent. Him and Kante could go on to be a good pairing.
Luiz was fantastic however. And Bakayako showed flashes of his talent. Him and Kante could go on to be a good pairing.
Christensen made a small error early on but recovered well and was one of the best defenders on the pitch by the end of the 90 minutes
Rudiger looks a bit like a loose cannon, few lapses in concentration and Kane appeared to get the better of him a few times
Feel Luiz, Azpi and Christensen should be our starting CBs with Cahill and Rudiger as back ups. Got really high hopes for Christensen, was very impressive in Germany and plays in a very classy way. At 21 he's got plenty of potential to get even better
Rudiger looks a bit like a loose cannon, few lapses in concentration and Kane appeared to get the better of him a few times
Feel Luiz, Azpi and Christensen should be our starting CBs with Cahill and Rudiger as back ups. Got really high hopes for Christensen, was very impressive in Germany and plays in a very classy way. At 21 he's got plenty of potential to get even better
Think rubbish is harsh. He definitely needs to work on his composure but his pace and physicality were impressive overall I thought. Looks markedly better than Mangala ever did and has decidedly better pedigree. Kane's gotten the better of many a centre half and Rudiger improved a lot as the game went along I thought. Lots of work to be done but he has the physical tools to succeed and I'm intrigued to see how Conte moulds him.
I thought he was significantly worse against Burnley personally.
Oxlade-Chamberlain close to being done apparently. Turned down £180k a week offer from Arsenal, I can't imagine Chelsea will offer that much.
Although I feel he's not moving for the money, I doubt that figure.
Why would Arsenal break their wage structure for a rotational player
Perhaps they've decided keeping their better players might be a good idea.
Not sure what Arsenal's "wage structure" is to be honest. They've got lots of players on 100K+ a week and if Sanchez or Ozil renew they'll be on a lot more than 170k.
Eden Hazard starting for the U23s (v Everton) tonight. Live for free on Youtube for any sad buggers like me...
I'd like to believe with the loan of Boga, which is harsh on him IMO, that means we're confident in signing AOC. With the amount of time and space we were given and what the energy level of Everton was, we should've won by way more than two. Morata didn't even have a good game other than his goal and assist. If that's what happens, the only way is up for him. Conte will work wonders with AOC like he has with all of the other players and make him realize his potential.
Agreed, I think Mahrez, OX and drinkwater would be a solid ending to a very good window. I trust Conte to improve Ox massively as he has done with most of our players.
I don't really want Mahrez
am I wrong for having that opinion? The way he downed tools last season and the only known bid I believe has been from Roma (where they were holding out to get £40m), I'm led to believe he was a one season wonder.Continuity and Conte will see you challenge again. You have a squad that knows how to win, the only way you fall off is if the players stop putting in the effort.
I don't really want Mahrez
Hmm I see where your coming from, but I think if you look at Mahrez stats for last year he actually did a lot better than people realise, especially in a team that wasn't functioning as well in attack anymore which is hard (see hazard 15/16).
I really think with our style of play and the players we have around him he will have a real free go to be creative when he plays and could actually be great for us. I see him working well with Hazard Willian Pedro etc as well and offering something slightly different.
45M is essentially peanuts in this market and I think we would be all set for depth in attack with him. Yet another player with great natural ability and as we know with Conte as a coach... he improves all the other aspects of their play (organisation, tactics, hard work)
I don't really understand why Chelsea seem to keep being written off. They won the league at a canter last year and have spent £150+ million quid
So after the Burnley loss they've beaten Spurs/Everton and have 6 out of 9 points. Not too bad.
Its because people are writing off our replacements for Costa and Matic before they've even done anything which is fair enough... we were wrote off last year too and look how right everyone was.
IMO I prefer our team this year I think baka will prove to be more of what we need than Matic was and I am over the moon we landed morata. When hazard comes back we will be ten times stronger also.
My only concern was depth and options but if we get chambo, drinkwater and one other player that issue is solved too really.
The Ox and Drinkwater will be great signings for them. Not so much Mahrez though. They have Willian who is infinitely better.
I think it comes from them having let go of about 7 players, Morata not being able to replace Costa's goal and their lack of depth after said departures, add CL football and it seems they need a few players. We'll have a better idea once the window closes though. AOC will be a brilliant signing for them I reckon.
Morata has 2 goals and 2 assists in 3 games though. I'd say he is filling Costa's boots alright... Hell, he is doing a lot better then Costa was if those statistic's keep up.
How many did Costa get last year in the PL? I seem to remember around 17?
Where would the Ox play? It seems he's not happy at Arsenal playing wing back and wants to play further up the pitch. Certainly he played too far forward against Liverpool. With Willian and Pedro I can't see where he fits in. This could only be for depth of squad and if he wants to play every week Chelsea are the wrong club for him. He probably stands a better chance of playing going to Liverpool.
Don't misunderstand me I like him as a player and his energy and strength on the ball are good but I would rather have Willian and probably Pedro before Ox.
Don't misunderstand me I like him as a player and his energy and strength on the ball are good but I would rather have Willian and probably Pedro before Ox.
Personally I think he'll play wingback, he's certainly an upgrade on Moses.