Chelsea 2017/18 thread - FA Cup Champs, League chumps

AshRK said:
Yes don't want to debate with a CTC fan who is too biassed to see through straight.
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I went to every single game in that period, you probably didn't watch a full 90 minute Chelsea match in that time. Jose's management ran the squad to the ground mentally and physically. It's amazing the sheer amount of people that don't care about the wellbeing of other human's.
AshRK said:
Soon enough you will blame everything on conte too.
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If he fecks up like Jose did then absolutely, but i don't think he will.
 
Dancfc said:
I went to every single game in that period, you probably didn't watch a full 90 minute Chelsea match in that time. Jose's management ran the squad to the ground mentally and physically. It's amazing the sheer amount of people that don't care about the wellbeing of other human's.

If he fecks up like Jose did then absolutely, but i don't think he will.
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Care about well being? Mourinho that season gave Chelsea players extended break and the pre season didn't go well enough to get them back into shape. If anything it's more about not. Sure it's Mourinho's feck up to had this kind of regime. However running into ground is a myth. The team he left behind has qualitythat a competent coach can benefit greatly. It's not some expired team the narrative likes to portrait.

Pre season is important. Someone like Hazard may need up taking longer to get into form without pre season this season. And Conte ain't to blame for running Hazard into ground playing him with injury toward the end of last season. Time will tell.
 
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Dancfc said:
I went to every single game in that period, you probably didn't watch a full 90 minute Chelsea match in that time. Jose's management ran the squad to the ground mentally and physically. It's amazing the sheer amount of people that don't care about the wellbeing of other human's.

If he fecks up like Jose did then absolutely, but i don't think he will.
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Blame always is two fold. Players chose to hide behind the manager and the manager was sacked. To say players have zero responsibility but manager is to blame fully is a joke.
 
Dancfc said:
I went to every single game in that period
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My question is why did you put yourself through so much torture! I was finding it hard to even watch the Moyes season on TV (but did end up watching all games). This was even worse.
 
ti vu said:
Care about well being? Mourinho that season gave Chelsea players extended break and the pre season didn't go well enough to get them back into shape. If anything it's more about not. Sure it's Mourinho's feck up to had this kind of regime. However running into ground is a myth. The team he left behind has qualitythat a competent coach can benefit greatly. It's not some expired team the narrative likes to portrait.
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And why did he give them that break? Because he ran them into the ground to get the title home, to which he as good as admitted. Were he went wrong is he thought that extra week was enough to blow off any lingering fatigue from the extortionate efforts he demanded (and got) from the players to bring that title home. It was back to pre season with the same method's and tactics he used to get us over the line and they have a shelf life.

I don't use that period to take away from Jose's great career, but that summer he could have done so many thing's differently to prevent what happened.
AshRK said:
Blame always is two fold. Players chose to hide behind the manager and the manager was sacked. To say players have zero responsibility but manager is to blame fully is a joke.
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If anything it was Jose who was hiding behind the players. His interviews when he was on his last legs criticising the players (aswel as his ridiculous stunt after Ranieri's sacking), he knew people would lap it up and be manipulated by that and well wasn't he right. Take Hazard for example, at that time he was on 3 and a half year's at Chelsea, never once caused a problem, never complained about the excessive defending duties (most players that level or above would) and was always of good character yet Jose set the narrative he was a snake, and the cult followed.

That said the squad weren't completely innocent but i certainly don't for 1 second believe they (or ANY squad in world football) were basically throwing games. As i said above that doesn't change what a great manager he is, but his actions were the catalyst for what happened.
abhayselvan said:
My question is why did you put yourself through so much torture! I was finding it hard to even watch the Moyes season on TV (but did end up watching all games). This was even worse.
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I can't stop, we could be the whipping boys of League 2 and ill go the next weekend thinking change is around the corner :lol: i still to this day can't get my head around what happened in 2015 tho, United under Moyes was very poor for United's standard's but Chelsea 15/16, that was unprecedented, has anyone in England before played so bad in comparison to the squad available to them? Liverpool under Roy was probably the closest but even that was modest in comparison.
 
Dancfc said:
I see Jose's brainwashed you aswell.

He was a great manager for us but 15/16 was his fault, and it's not even/shouldnt be debatable.
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This is total bollocks.

The only mistake Mourinho made was being nice to the players and trying to run a happy camp. The players Chelsea have on the other hand are total mercenaries and acted that way.
 
Dancfc said:
And why did he give them that break? Because he ran them into the ground to get the title home, to which he as good as admitted. Were he went wrong is he thought that extra week was enough to blow off any lingering fatigue from the extortionate efforts he demanded (and got) from the players to bring that title home. It was back to pre season with the same method's and tactics he used to get us over the line and they have a shelf life.

I don't use that period to take away from Jose's great career, but that summer he could have done so many thing's differently to prevent what happened.
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I will agree to disagree on this. Matic before going to holiday that summer said that the rest was too long (perhaps in regarding top level professional). PL coaches and managers want winter break which for all the noise is only around 1 week. Yet they are all adamant that this short break would be sufficient enough to refresh for second half of the season.

So hypothecially having long continuous break may backfire for top level players that their body would find it harder to getting back to form. Shaw cut his break to get back to us in LVG's first season which mean there was not much rest between his dismissal from England camp to our preseason camp. And that's enough for his fitness being questionable. The point is clubs training regime only do as much. The players are also supposed one to take care themselves. The margin of error is fine at this level.

We had this discussion before. It's clear that seeing how pre season went that summer, Mourinho and his camp put pressure to push some emergency signings to try to fix the problem with the pre season planning/extended break. The transfer work didn't go well.

Now Mourinho change his approach. He wouldn't give "personal" extended break in pre season and require our players to travel with the squad to do "monitored" break.
 
Dancfc said:
I went to every single game in that period, you probably didn't watch a full 90 minute Chelsea match in that time. Jose's management ran the squad to the ground mentally and physically. It's amazing the sheer amount of people that don't care about the wellbeing of other human's.

If he fecks up like Jose did then absolutely, but i don't think he will.
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Well, if it is a repeated story with different managers then maybe, just maybe, it is not the managers fault and you'll need to look somewhere else to lay the blame? I mean after changing the steering wheels so many times and the car still veer left when you want it to go right, then maybe it is not the steering wheel that is the problem?
 
Listar said:
Well, if it is a repeated story with different managers then maybe, just maybe, it is not the managers fault and you'll need to look somewhere else to lay the blame? I mean after changing the steering wheels so many times and the car still veer left when you want it to go right, then maybe it is not the steering wheel that is the problem?
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Which was probably why he said "Absolutely" if he fecks up the same.
 
Just seen the highlights from the Roma game.

Luiz goal is amazing for a centre half, and Dzekos first has to be a contender for goal of the tournament. What a game!
 
Insane game from the highlights that I saw. The Dzeko and Luiz goals were amazing. Both can win Goal of the Tournament to be honest.

Dzeko looks like a real striker.
 
Mourinho doesn't even mention him. Weird comments by Conte.
 
You can see the journalist trying to bait Conte to react and say something. Anyone know who is the idiot asking the question?
 
Kostov said:
You can see the journalist trying to bait Conte to react and say something. Anyone know who is the idiot asking the question?
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And he fell for it hook line and sinker. If the shoe fits....
Plus other cliches
 
Tbf it looked over before the season even began. Conte has been wanting to move back to Italy since the summer
 
Don _ Conte said:
Yeah somewhere in between, is suffering at the moment through having to do Kante's job when he isn't that type of player.
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He is that type of player too.
Ban said:
Anything they said wrong?
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Yes. They blamed the head coach for not taking risk playing younsgter, now Conte, while it should be clear by now that the pressure for immediate success at Chelsea wouldn't allow much margin for error. Players can be good for one system, but bad for another. Chelsea boards seem to buy quite some players with different profile for their head coaches' liking.
 
Ban said:
Anything they said wrong?
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That we should close the academy. Ridiculously narrow minded way of looking at things. Chelsea's acadamy has provided the backbone of England's various youth sides in recent years that have won almost everything, not to mention made the club serious money in transfer and loan fees.
 
duffer said:
That we should close the academy. Ridiculously narrow minded way of looking at things. Chelsea's acadamy has provided the backbone of England's various youth sides in recent years that have won almost everything, not to mention made the club serious money in transfer and loan fees.
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Helps when you have about 500 loaned out to various clubs

Jose revisionism from chav$ is comical. Best manager they’ve had by a country mile and they’re falling over themselves to nitpick and scrape up any tenuous link they can to discredit. One title in 1955 before he came along and pulled the club up by the bootstraps. Joke of a club that only City can trump.
 
Denis' cuff said:
Jose revisionism from chav$ is comical. Best manager they’ve had by a country mile and they’re falling over themselves to nitpick and scrape up any tenuous link they can to discredit. One title in 1955 before he came along and pulled the club up by the bootstraps. Joke of a club that only City can trump.
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WTF are you talking!? Try not to post on the internet when drunk.
 
Denis' cuff said:
Jose revisionism from chav$ is comical. Best manager they’ve had by a country mile and they’re falling over themselves to nitpick and scrape up any tenuous link they can to discredit. One title in 1955 before he came along and pulled the club up by the bootstraps. Joke of a club that only City can trump.
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What does any of that have do do with what I've posted?
 
If the player is good enough and they are a youth player then they will make it into the team regardless of age e.g Christiansen, tibo.

If the player has potential but is not fully proven they tend to get loaned out so they have the chance to prove themselves. I think it works fine, the only place it doesn't is in Tammy's case where we have batshuayi who is actually probably worse than him.
 
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