Fair fecks to @duffer being here, after a crushing defeat with top 4 almost gone. I hope United win the league of course with Chelsea 2nd, Arsenal 3rd and Spurs 4th next year
Chelsea 2017/18 thread - FA Cup Champs, League chumps
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Conte and Ancelotti
Has Hiddink been called yet?
Saw somewhere earlier that Chelsea are looking at Pochettino as a replacement for Conte, can't see it happening. Doubt Spurs would let him leave even if he was interested.
Both reasonable. I think Conte won't be in charge for the last game personally.
Tuchel.
He will win the title for Chelsea in his first season, only to lead them to relegation in the following season.
"How very Chelsea" they will say.
He needs to win something before he's ready for a big club.
Conte since you'll be in the cup final a few days later.
Luis Enrique for me.
Luis Enrique for me.
It'll be Enrique or Carlo next season imo.
No point sacking conte now before the end of the season, especially if his last game is the fa cup final. Even roman isn't that naive.
Okay, Conte and Simeone.
If your talking prime Mou not even close, modern day Jose on the other hand ....
It's a tired point borne of lazy analysis in general but in this instance we aren't talking about a big club we are talking about Chelsea not United, Real, Barca, or BM. You're biggest achievement had Di Matteo at the helm and not a serial winner. Your club's success has been a result of whatever the Russian will pay for and not your general status as a big club. Chelsea and PSG aren't big clubs they are rich clubs.
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Decline is right only if Roman doesn’t bankroll top quality transfers. Selling to buy will only get you so far. As for those idiots who demand that Conte resign and forgo his 9 million pound payoff, which coach with half a brain cell would do that?
Chelsea need to be back in the CL before Pochettino would even remotely consider leaving Spurs to play Europa League football in West London.
Surprised by how little Hazard seems to care, wouldn't be surprised at all if he was one of the first names out of Chelsea this summer, wonder what sort of fee he'd go for.
I think Chelsea could face problems over the next few seasons unless they strengthen the first team.
Costa was such an integral part of how Conte’s (and José’s) system works I thought it was utter insanity to let him go unless you had another mad beast/bastard lined-up that can hold the ball up properly and allow the talented gnomes to scurry through and do their voodoo like they do. Drogba...Costa...Morata? Spot the odd one out. Lukaku would’ve been a much better fit for them, but, like I say to Arsenal fans, if you haven’t got the City/PSG budget, you’ve got to give Simeone a go in England and try and hope he intimidates Pep into fleeing back to New York to mull over ultra-pressing possession at MOMA.
Costa was such an integral part of how Conte’s (and José’s) system works I thought it was utter insanity to let him go unless you had another mad beast/bastard lined-up that can hold the ball up properly and allow the talented gnomes to scurry through and do their voodoo like they do. Drogba...Costa...Morata? Spot the odd one out. Lukaku would’ve been a much better fit for them, but, like I say to Arsenal fans, if you haven’t got the City/PSG budget, you’ve got to give Simeone a go in England and try and hope he intimidates Pep into fleeing back to New York to mull over ultra-pressing possession at MOMA.
I don't buy into all this Chelsea are going to struggle in the next few seasons. They're still a good run club and being out of the Champions league will help them not hinder them. Much like under Conte last season, having no CL football will mean they get to rest their players and concentrate on the Premier League only and it wouldn't surprise me if they win it under a new manager.
Except they will have the Europe league this time.
Chelsea will still win more than Spurs over the next 5 years though, it’s just how it is.
Taking a thread off topic
It's how it has been over the past years. Whether it will be remains to be seen.
The complacency of some supporters and clubs is astounding, a complacency that precedes decline. I remember being widely criticised on here some years ago for predicting the break-up of what had been the established top 4. I showed the emerging trend with solid facts and figures, but again this idea of there being such a trend was ridiculed.
But guess what, Chelsea out of the top 4 for the 2nd time in 3 years, Arsenal outside of it for the 2nd year running, United have been outside the top 4 for several of the recent years ... and Spurs are about to finish in the top 4 for the 3rd season running.
Your whole purported mastery of the art of eschatology is a delusion!
This is what you said after we lost to Liverpool in September 2016.
Guess what? We won the titles with the most ever PL wins in a season! Meanwhile, Spurs still haven't won anything! So excuse me if I take your prophecies of doom with a pinch of salt!
Unless Chelsea fails to make FA Cup final. As disappointing season as it is, It's a bit too late to sack Conte when there still be something to fight for even how small it is in the form of FA Cup.
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But all of the clubs mentioned have won a combined 7 or 8 trophies in the past 3 years. Spurs have won zero.
If they keep making Barkley, Drinkwater, Giroud type signings Chelsea might not qualify for the CL for a while. But, I think they will end up spending big money again this summer.
I think in the modern game for a lot of fans, trophies don’t matter anymore, finishing top 4 is all that counts.
In school we used to make fun of arsenal for not winning and simply finishing top 4, how times have changed.
It’s just one of those modern day fan things that you just have to get used to.
Finishing top 4 and qualifying for a tournament Spurs will never win is far greater than actually winning league titles, FA cups and European trophies because they have a “small budget”
Their transfer window let them down, just like in Jose's last season. I don't believe the blame is squarely at the foot of the manager, he is moaning because he knows things would have been very different if he had been properly backed, especially since he proved himself last season. Any manager would be grumpy if he weren't backed to get his targets after winning the title.
I also don't think Conte's Costa mess was that big a deal. He got a fine replacement in Morata. Mentally, he may not be as good as Costa or Lukaku, but his technical attributes more than make up for it. He'll need time to settle as the main striker at a club, game in and game out. Again, if they had kept Matic, RLC, Musonda, Batshuayi, Abraham and spent money on another top signing instead of a scattergun approach towards Barkley, Bakayoko, Giroud, Drinkwater and Emerson, things could have been far better.
I also don't think Conte's Costa mess was that big a deal. He got a fine replacement in Morata. Mentally, he may not be as good as Costa or Lukaku, but his technical attributes more than make up for it. He'll need time to settle as the main striker at a club, game in and game out. Again, if they had kept Matic, RLC, Musonda, Batshuayi, Abraham and spent money on another top signing instead of a scattergun approach towards Barkley, Bakayoko, Giroud, Drinkwater and Emerson, things could have been far better.
Now it's time to call their go to managers when things go wrong. Hiddink or Ancelotti.
You said club will decline in 2007 and how Spurs will be so good, ManUtd and Chelsea won multiple league titles and won CL and made to finals. It's not a rocket science to say something and wait forever for that to be true.
Nope, can't agree with that. Costa is a fierce competitor and a winner, he would have dragged Chelsea to 4th easily. That one is on Conte.
Knew that already was just having a laugh at Chelsea.
Ancelotti right? Wasnt he seen attending some of the Chelsea games?
Today and in second leg against barca, I noticed one thing. Chelsea had two big guys upfront who are good in the air but Chelsea players either played on the ground or took long shots. What's the point of having those there when they don't even want to cross the ball. They are not only wasting talent of two good players but building up with 8 players since 3 players ( Morata, Giroud and GK) will be stationed in penalty area. Seems like players have lose trust in Conte.
I'm predicting Montella to be the next Chelsea manager.
And I hope Hazard does a Hazard again, and joins us next season because we have Champions League football.
And I hope Hazard does a Hazard again, and joins us next season because we have Champions League football.
In your scenario, who of the current players, will be sold ? Martial ?I'm predicting Montella to be the next Chelsea manager.
And I hope Hazard does a Hazard again, and joins us next season because we have Champions League football.
Mata.
And I know this is an unpopular opinion on here, but Martial being sold wouldn't be the end of the world IMO.
It wouldn't be at all. I'm french and I like the kid but United is the priority, if selling Martial can help clear some squad room (and if it can help his career too) then I'm for it.
I'm predicting Montella to be the next Chelsea manager.
And I hope Hazard does a Hazard again, and joins us next season because we have Champions League football.
Same opinion here, he wouldn't come in with a chip on his shoulder and is good with improving a squad. Would like it.