Vardy would be a very bad signing for us under Mourinho. Probably a backup but never a starter
Chelsea 2017/18 thread - FA Cup Champs, League chumps
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Why does what Redcafe "thinks" back in November have any relevance? Look more accurately for Redcafe views on Lukaku here: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/manutd-player-of-the-month-march.437663/
Let's not go overboard. Auba has been good but mainly in matches where Arsenal have blown away inferior opposition... exactly the sort of flat track bullying Lukaku is accused of. He failed against City and Spurs.
Would definitely not swap Lukaku for Auba. And frankly nor should Chelsea swap Morata for Auba given that he's 30 in June.
Edit: quoted the wrong post. Meant to quote @Dancfc
You are the definition of delusion. God bless you and good luck!
I'll stop derailing the thread with Morata vs. Lukaku. What I will say is those comparisons are a bit arbitrary. Morata is better compared with Diego Costa, where he falls short.
Not replacing Costa properly has hampered Chelsea. They need a very good summer of recruitment, both managerial and personnel-wise. They bounce back well, unlike us.
Not replacing Costa properly has hampered Chelsea. They need a very good summer of recruitment, both managerial and personnel-wise. They bounce back well, unlike us.
Yes, indeed, and if he stays I hope that that's a cycle and not a steady decline.
Morata has been partly disappointing so far. Lukaku has probably had a better season than Morata, but in no way I would be confident that we would have fared better with Lukaku than with Morata. We could be in the same mess if we had gotten Lukaku.
Fair play for actually answer the question the others have dodged.
Still seems to pain you to admit Lukaku has been better by using the word 'probably' though
Overall no, but it isn't the landslide you are making it out to be and even if he turned out worse than Torres, doesn't mean i would have wished we got Rom instead.
Auba can still give Arsenal 3 years which is a hell of a long time in football. Fair point re the flat track bullying though.
I think personally he's made for a big club, if he was a few years younger we'd all be fighting for his signing.
Lukaku had one bad month or at stretch one and half. Morata had 1-2 good months.
Spouting same shit like Morata has better technique, hold up play (which isn't even true when he is on his arse everytime CB touches him) means feck all when he isn't contributing and manager don't even trust him in bigger games. Lukaku has better season without any doubt, only Chlesea fans can lump them together as sort of consolation.
Bold part
Chelsea fans desperation is funny to watch.You obviously didn't see us at the start of the season then, his link up play with Hazard was a major factor into why Conte was going 352 as those two alone were providing a lot of threat and bouncing of eachother well. Since Morata's drop in form he hasn't played 352 atall, not even vs Barca.
Spouting same shit like Morata has better technique, hold up play means feck all when he isn't contributing and manager don't even trust him in bigger games. Lukaku has better season without any doubt, only Chlesea fans can lump them together as sort of consolation.
So he was right, Morata did that for about two months top.
If I'm not wrong that's link up play, playing one touch to other players, laying it off quikcly. Hold up is something Drogba did. You give the ball to him, doesn't matter how many CBs are on him, he will retain possession and bring others into play. Morata is poor with back to his goal.
Maybe Chelsea didn't play 3-5-2 as Willian who was playing lot better didn't have a position in 3-5-2.
In any case, only you and other guy can argue Morata had as good season or better than Lukaku. It's not even close.
All season big up Chelsea and their defense, when Lukaku scores and argument starts, lets pretend Chelsea defense is shit.
Hold on to that dearly. That's the only defense left, which isn't a proper one considering Morata's hold up play is poor and he is on his arse more than he is on his legs.
Which club was desperate for CF this Jan? Oh wait it's Chelesa.
Which team didn't even play their CF in their biggest game this season? Well again it's Chelesa.
If anything, Chelsea will be the one looking for CF when Morata wants to leave the club to go to Italy.
Lukaku has won most of his doubters and there are hardly any left.
We were getting rid of one, so it kind of made sense to sign a replacement.All season big up Chelsea and their defense, when Lukaku scores and argument starts, lets pretend Chelsea defense is shit.
Hold on to that dearly. That's the only defense left, which isn't a proper one considering Morata's hold up play is poor and he is on his arse more than he is on his legs.
Which club was desperate for CF this Jan? Oh wait it's Chelesa.
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Is that the reason why Chelsea started Giroud instead of Morata against Barca? Then both started 2 league games each. Didn't even add their mins but looks like Giroud played more mins too.
So yeah, looks like Chelsea was the one who wanted a better striker.
Yeah dodged a bullet alright... coming from supporters of a club who tried to sign Andy fecking Carroll in January.
Lukaku is having a much better season than Morata. Ask any United fan on this forum and 99 out of 100 PL will be really happy with the way Rom has been performing.
His overall game has came on leaps and bounds and his attitude is top noch.
If Morara pulled the same shit in United's shirt as he does in Chelsea's -- he'd get fecking slaughted by United fans and rightly so.
I can't really ask anything else of Lukaku from this season. He had a blip mid season but he came back with a vengeance. His attitude and work rate improved ten fold. His hold up play/link up play improved drastically too. Morata fecking regressed if anything. Dodged a bullet. fecking delusional.
Lukaku is having a much better season than Morata. Ask any United fan on this forum and 99 out of 100 PL will be really happy with the way Rom has been performing.
His overall game has came on leaps and bounds and his attitude is top noch.
If Morara pulled the same shit in United's shirt as he does in Chelsea's -- he'd get fecking slaughted by United fans and rightly so.
I can't really ask anything else of Lukaku from this season. He had a blip mid season but he came back with a vengeance. His attitude and work rate improved ten fold. His hold up play/link up play improved drastically too. Morata fecking regressed if anything. Dodged a bullet. fecking delusional.
I have watched United what 6-7 times this season. He did not impress me in these games, let's put it that way.Fair play for actually answer the question the others have dodged.
Still seems to pain you to admit Lukaku has been better by using the word 'probably' though
So no, you don't agree that Lukaku has had the better season?
26 goals/8 assists Lukaku
13 goals/5 assists Morata
He's scored double the amount of goals and has even bettered him on assists yet apparently he's a 'bullet dodged'!
Let him have his escape, this denial is his coping mechanism of Chelsea's shit season after becoming Champions just 10 months ago... crazy stuffs.
Lukaku has clearly proven himself to be the more competent striker of the two in terms of both goals and assists. I fail to see how anyone could debate this fact.
Thread doesn't have to be about Lukaku.
Chelsea fans, who do you expect to leave this summer?
Chelsea fans, who do you expect to leave this summer?
Conte has lost his passion and so have the team.
I think he burnt himself and the team out last year, they just couldn't keep up that intensity.
I think he burnt himself and the team out last year, they just couldn't keep up that intensity.
And to boot, Lukaku was one of our best players against Liverpool and Chelsea, as well as being the only competent player in that Sevilla game at OT. So one cannot even say he didn't deliver in big games. Most of those goals and assists were important ones and not mere stat padding against fodder.
Lukaku has done his job this season, can't ask for more.
These Chelsea fans don't even watch his games, they just spout the same bs that they did from last year.
Awwww bless, lots of salty Chelsea fans in here. Enjoy your battle with the gunners for that coveted fifth Place.
I always thought Chelsea fans are more sensible and fair in their opinions but jeez the delusional comments from some of them here make arsenal fans as sane. But always prefer rival fans living in their delusional bubble, so yeah morata is the best striker. Let us keep that way.
Wondering who we will get as our new manager?
My tactical thoughts comparing this and last season:
If we’re going to play a back 3 we need Luiz fit and in form in the middle of it. Christensen has to be a backup only. He’s 21 and still learning. Not ready to be a starter for us every match.
If we play a back 4 we could use Luiz in Midfield in some games. Like we did against City a few years ago when we dominated.
Hazard should never play as a false 9 ever again. Could we try and swap him with Bale?
We should only play Cesc in midfield in a 3 with two defensive players against decent opposition. He can’t do a job defensively, at all. Or bring him off the bench when we need creativity like we did last year.
Bakayoko and Morata both need massive confidence boosts. Not sure what Conte is doing with them. Trying to get sacked maybe? Convinced they can be top players, but maybe not in the premier league.
Our manager should be fighting their corner, and the referees. Looking at what Mane got away Saturday, (Lamela and Vertongen yesterday, Kane, Ali against City) and so many other players this season. Compared to the merciless second yellow in 30 mins for Baka earlier in the season! Ridiculous.
If Courtois wants to go be with his kids in Madrid we should try and swap him with Oblak.
We need to use Drinkwater better, and try and use Barkley if he’s ever not injured. He’s only 24 so still has some time.
We need a core of British / Irish and ideally home-developed players in the team if we want to be consistently successful. No one has replaced Terry and Lampard in the dressing rooom. Utd have Rashford, Lingard, McTominay etc and we need to get a young core like that too.
My tactical thoughts comparing this and last season:
If we’re going to play a back 3 we need Luiz fit and in form in the middle of it. Christensen has to be a backup only. He’s 21 and still learning. Not ready to be a starter for us every match.
If we play a back 4 we could use Luiz in Midfield in some games. Like we did against City a few years ago when we dominated.
Hazard should never play as a false 9 ever again. Could we try and swap him with Bale?
We should only play Cesc in midfield in a 3 with two defensive players against decent opposition. He can’t do a job defensively, at all. Or bring him off the bench when we need creativity like we did last year.
Bakayoko and Morata both need massive confidence boosts. Not sure what Conte is doing with them. Trying to get sacked maybe? Convinced they can be top players, but maybe not in the premier league.
Our manager should be fighting their corner, and the referees. Looking at what Mane got away Saturday, (Lamela and Vertongen yesterday, Kane, Ali against City) and so many other players this season. Compared to the merciless second yellow in 30 mins for Baka earlier in the season! Ridiculous.
If Courtois wants to go be with his kids in Madrid we should try and swap him with Oblak.
We need to use Drinkwater better, and try and use Barkley if he’s ever not injured. He’s only 24 so still has some time.
We need a core of British / Irish and ideally home-developed players in the team if we want to be consistently successful. No one has replaced Terry and Lampard in the dressing rooom. Utd have Rashford, Lingard, McTominay etc and we need to get a young core like that too.
Noble effort to try and steer the thread back from wumming posts.
I'm curious about Chelsea this summer as well. They could have a problem on their hands given the contract issues.
Willy Caballero - 30.06.2018
Eduardo - 30.06.2018
Matej Delac - 30.06.2018
Cesc Fàbregas - 30.06.2019
Gary Cahill - 30.06.2019
David Luiz - 30.06.2019
Pedro - 30.06.2019
Olivier Giroud - 30.06.2019
Thibaut Courtois - 30.06.2019
Wallace Oliveira - 30.06.2019
Those are players whose contracts expire by end of next season according to transfermarkt.co.uk
Some of those names are easily replaced. Others are part of their first team and will be harder to replace. I'm not sure if the Giroud contract is right? He signed a 1 and a half year contract? Cahill I imagine will sign on unless they want rid of him, Fabregas, Pedro, Courtois are question marks. With Luiz a sure fire runaway.
Throw Hazard into the mix and you have a pretty big problem for Chelsea.
Some Chelsea fans fast becoming the most deluded lot on here. Some claimed that Matic was washed up and Chelsea wouldn't miss him. How is that turning up?
As far as Lukaku vs Morata goes. Lukaku has an excellent claim of being our best outfield player this season. Morata won't be in the top 3 outfield players for Chelsea this season. United are eleven points ahead of Chelsea with the majority of the season gone.
As far as Lukaku vs Morata goes. Lukaku has an excellent claim of being our best outfield player this season. Morata won't be in the top 3 outfield players for Chelsea this season. United are eleven points ahead of Chelsea with the majority of the season gone.
They should really Kenedy a go next season and sign a center back(that's why they're linked with Aldewerald) I guess. Christensen is talented but has made a lot of errors since new year.
Their needs are similar to us to be fair. Both of us need new fullbacks and two midfielders. Chelsea might need a new striker and a replacement for Hazard too, as I don't think he's going to stay there any longer.
Their needs are similar to us to be fair. Both of us need new fullbacks and two midfielders. Chelsea might need a new striker and a replacement for Hazard too, as I don't think he's going to stay there any longer.
Apart form his power and pace (which is well suited for the EPL), he plays with a lot of passion and doesn't give up until the final whistle.
What I also like about him is that he always turns up in the big matches. In fact, it's the big matches where he seems to shine the most. The bigger the crowd. The bigger the stadium. The bigger the spectacle, the better he performs.
I still remember what he did against us, when we lost 5-3, after leading 3-1. That was brutal to watch.
Under Jose, he'd be the player who is brought on at 70 minutes, to break a dead-lock and let's not forget, Jose loves counter attacking football, which Vardy is built for.
I do find it strange how CFC fans can say that Lukaku and Morata have similar seasons (or that Lukaku is only marginally better).
Lukaku has been one of our best players this season. There are times when the rest of our team is floundering (lacking energy) and Lukaku still keeps grafting and attempts to make things happen. I don't believe that the same can be said about Morata.
Statistically also, Lukaku is considerably better than Morata.
I can't see how anybody could argue the case for Morata.
As for Conte - does he not want to return to Italy? Does he even want to stay in England?
Nah, last summer's transfers divergences with the club is what did it.
Being brutally honest, at this moment in time I could care less. We've got one too many snowflakes in the side. Reap the rewards when in form, but go hiding when the going gets tough. It's just mind boggling how they go from title winners to looking like a mid-table side so quickly. The fact it's happened twice now shows there's something very wrong with their mentality.
We absolutely must hold on to Kante and Azpilicueta. The big question is whether we can hold on to Hazard, or what we do with the money if potentially selling to Madrid. Personally, i'd see getting Isco or Asensio in return for him as a good deal, he may flourish a bit more in Spain and Madrid would probably allow one of them to go in a part way exchange.
Yep, wum's/delusional/salty (any other names?) because no one wanted Lukaku back. It's quite amusing how some of you change your tune so quickly on a game by game basis with him. Hey ho, glad you're happy with him up front, and i'm happy for him, he's a Chelsea fan who just unfortunately wasn't good enough to make it with us.
Matic looked like he needed a new challenge, despite winning the league in his final season he looked well off the pace, Kante was/still is doing a one man job in midfield, except the whole side has regressed to a pitiful level since the summer. The (rather large) mistake we made was replacing Matic with Bakayoko. Hopefully there's more to come from him.
Nah, they will wait another few weeks, Then Sack Him.
I don't think he said that the ones who didn't want Lukaku back at Chelsea are deluded. Deluded are the ones like you who say Morata is better than Lukaku right now.
It obviously didn't help, but last year their squad was worse man for man.
Losing Costa was huge but they just haven't played with the same desire IMO.
That's not what I said. Learn to read before engaging.
You have been trying to argue that Morata is better than Lukaku which clearly he isn't.
If it was that clear then it wouldn't be a discussion would it?
Lukaku may have more goals/assists, but if i've learnt anything from the Messi Vs Ronaldo thread it's never to use that as the basis for your argument when debating over who the better player is, and right now that is the only argument in Lukaku's favour. I'm also fully aware Utd are 11 points ahead of us, and Morata has struggled to settle in properly into a new league with a team who have performed well below expectations. It's not an excuse, that's just fact. He's not the reason we're sitting in fifth spot.
Hey, you're welcome to think i'm talking out my arse though, i'm just judging them both from what i've seen - Lukaku with us, Everton and Utd and Morata with us, Real and to a lesser extent Juventus. Neither worth the money paid, but I have no doubt whatsoever Lukaku wouldn't have been any better for us than Morata, his lead foot first touch and hold up play would drive me insane. I'll happily admit i'm wrong if he can produce the goods when it matters most, like Morata did with Juventus in Europe and Real Madrid in the league last season.