The fact that Ronaldo has won 4 Ballon d'Ors during Messi's prime is a testament to his ability and competitive drive.
Remarkable really.
Remarkable really.
Cristiano Ronaldo - Performances (wums will be thread banned)
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For a lot of people, and understandably so.
He might be gay as much as he wants but no question the achievements of this man are extraordinary.
Both he and Messis stock will rise even more 20 years after they have retired, it'll be interesting to see who they fall the best. No one is going to come close to their output, and if they do then they'll be in the GOAT argument too.
As good as Ronaldo and Messi are, I wouldn't rule out someone coming around eventually who's just as good, if not better. People probably thought no-one would come close after Pele, then after Maradona, but then Ronaldo and Messi came about, it always happens.
Messi is a better player.
But yeah this. In terms of having determination and drive to be the best, he is probably 2nd to none in recent history of the sport. No wonder SAF loves him. Exactly his type.
Take that crap outta here. It ain't a comparison thread and just because people aren't arguing this by following the rules doesn't mean it can't be argued.
I'm convinced we'll see a 6'8 monster with the agility, speed and skillset of a messi sometime in the near future.
Will be undefendable.
CR7 isn't as naturally talented as Messi and grew up very poor and had many disadvantages growing up that Messi never had. Messi had a physical "deficiency" that he was short, which has actually aided him to be one of the best footballers ever alongside CR7.
What CR7 has accomplished is amazing and he's had to overcome so much more than Messi to be an all-time great. He continues to defy the odds even after all of his accomplishments.
What CR7 has accomplished is amazing and he's had to overcome so much more than Messi to be an all-time great. He continues to defy the odds even after all of his accomplishments.
Dont forget the HGH that messi was given as a kid that enhanced him - Ronaldo is organic.
The worst thing we ever did was let him go.
Ronaldo celebrates with more energy and passion than our players play with
Funny considering people were calling him the goat, which is a comparison in itself? I don't care for arguments about who is better, I really couldn't give a feck who you think is better pal.
This argument has been done to death and it results in constant circles, never gets anywhere as it's obvious people have their favourites. I don't have any attachment to either, both generational talents who are completely different players, just think when both are at their absolute best, Messi edges it. Hardly a slight on Ronaldo. Nor is it seeking to start a comparison, people can think Ronaldo is better, that's their opinion, doesn't bother me in the slightest.
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Nah, more like Top 10, and Messi is not Top 3 also.
Messi is definitely top 3. Id say Ronaldo is more probably top 5.
CR7 used braces tbf....
Why is everyone obsessed with his sexuality, it is his personal life, in public life what matters is what he does in the pitch.
That's the Portuguese way.Why is everyone obsessed with his sexuality, it is his personal life, in public life what matters is what he does in the pitch.
A strange comment. What has one got to do with the other?
Maybe we should say we are watching the Pele vs Maradona of this generation. Of that I don't think there is an argument.
Who would you place above Messi? And Ronaldo is definitely top 10.
Yes because we wanted to. Ronaldo was forcing the move, so we had very little choice.
Cristiano first 16 goals came in 55 matches for MUFC, then struck 84 times in 85 European games for Real Madrid!
It only took Cristiano Ronaldo, who has never been sent off in Europe, 47 matches to get to his 2nd half century of #CR100 goals!
It only took Cristiano Ronaldo, who has never been sent off in Europe, 47 matches to get to his 2nd half century of #CR100 goals!
Di Stefano, Pelé,Maradona, Zidane and Messi are my top 5, only my opinion, there is no scientific way to prove it, Messi has an much more consistent carrer than Maradona, but the best Diego at Mexico in 86 and with Napoli, I simply like it more, but anyway this does not matter, Messi is great and Ronaldo only for his mental determination deserves to be amongst the best, if it is top 10 or 20, who cares?
The best European player of all time. The only ones I rate higher than him in history are from Sudamerica.
He's the ultimate winner, was so annoyed when he left us but knew there was nothing we could do. It's a horrible thought to imagine what we would have won if he was still around. That man is machine and deserves his success, he will continue to change games for years to come. Cr7 deserves to be regarded in the top 3 of all time, trophies and balon dors don't lie.
Give your list, in my top 5 of all time there is only 1 European, and that is Zidane, but then I have to think in Cruijff, Beckenbauer, Platini, CR7 and so on, who cares, he is the best European of his time but in the past there were also so many good players.
I'd say Messi is still the more talented/gifted footballer - the best ever to be precise. I've never seen a player make fellow professionals look amatuer as much as Messi and I mean top level defenders and midfielders etc.
Ronaldo is a close second as he is a perfect specimen, intelligent on the pitch but mainly due to his sheer determination to become the best.
If I was to pick one player from history to go in a random team against a random opposition in the hope of winning I would probably pick Ronaldo though. He has had everything in his game from the start of his career and he has been around various cultures of football. He's a safe bet to get you goals from all sorts of positions and situations.
There is however still time to decide who is better between the great two of Messi and Ronaldo. The next 5 years will be interesting as one could outlast another at the top level and could settle their place as the goat.
Ronaldo is a close second as he is a perfect specimen, intelligent on the pitch but mainly due to his sheer determination to become the best.
If I was to pick one player from history to go in a random team against a random opposition in the hope of winning I would probably pick Ronaldo though. He has had everything in his game from the start of his career and he has been around various cultures of football. He's a safe bet to get you goals from all sorts of positions and situations.
There is however still time to decide who is better between the great two of Messi and Ronaldo. The next 5 years will be interesting as one could outlast another at the top level and could settle their place as the goat.
A lot of people do care and perhaps it's out of some kind of respect for the game and its traditions & heritage. It's not just confined to football, most other sports have the same kind of debates within their respective fanbases for what I assume are similar reasons.
My own two cents on Ronaldo's place in the pantheon.....I feel conflicted here because on natural ability alone I would place quite a number of players above him, but then his goalscoring exploits have been so phenomenal that it elevates him above other, more talented players, on the list. His career success and, more to the point, longevity is another significant factor. Many will place great weight on this and rightfully so, whilst for others the memory of the player in his prime weighs more heavily.
I suppose my problem with Ronaldo is that outside of goalscoring he isn't exceptional at anything. That's not to say that the other facets to his game are average or anything like that - they're not. It's just that by Greatest of all Time standards they fall some way short.
Would it had been a perfect hattrick? I don't remember with which legs he scored his 2 goals but it would had been awesome.
Zidane should not be anywhere near the top 5. CR7 is comfortably a better player than Zidane ever was.
I rate Messi, Maradona, Pele, Di Stefano and maybe Cruyff higher.
I agree with you but I also wonder why people seem to valuate much more what they consider 'natural talent' or be gifted over hard work. Also they consider Messi the better 'natural' talent while he had a condition he could only overcome thanks to modern medicine: Is that also a natural attribute?
By that it gives me the impression people would value more someone who is born a genius or very attractive person and builds its success upon it. It's totally fine if someone succeeds like that but in my opinion being born with a special attribute hasn't a personal merit to be praised about. Although I'm not trying to say Messi is lazy, in fact I'm sure aside from talent one need the right mentality and a lot of focus to play in the level both him and Ronaldo does but the approach many give to their comparisons seems a very distorted and bizarre perspective just to justify their bias.
In years to come. Messi and Ronaldo will be the greatest.
This wouldn't be a debate if Messi wasn't so lazy.
Nah, let's be honest. Apart from a few games, Ronaldo has been awful this season. Today was a bit different but usually when he doesn't score he contributes next to nothing most of the time.
Edit - Awful by the standard he's set the last few seasons.
Yeah, I tend it to evaluate that way. They're currently the best in this generation and I see no point in comparing them to players of the past when the game has evolved so much you just can't make a direct comparison. Like many people make their least with the best players of all time but for instance I'd probably would value much more someone like let's say Zidane or Beckenbauer over Maradonna and Pele just because of my personal preferences.
So after winning the Euros I'm sure Ronaldo is going to be regarded as one of the best players of all time, and I hope he does a good tournament with Portugal in Confederations Cup. It's very likely Madrid are going to win the league and are in a good spot right now in UCL, so with a good Confederations Cup it could be another great year for Ronaldo.
Today, and when he went to Madrid, before that he was an athletic winger with dribbling abilities and with the development of his game he turned more into an goalscorer, but even today he is able to assist if he can, and he is more inteligent than some people perceive, but as he is not an natural playmaker people underestimate him, but he is better than that, he just does not need to do that at Madrid, there are others to make it there for him.
Mine too, and without Pepe I would want him to rest too, because if we need to be in the playoffs for the next WC we need him fresher, but he already said he wants to go to the Confederations, he never wants to rest, I guess.
For you, for me he is better than Messi, sorry mate.
Absolutely. What we see vs what the future sees will be different.
Just poking fun mate haha.
I don't disagree with you. That's why I was very impressed with his 2nd half performance. Can't remember the last time he played that well disregarding his goals too.
He is a Madrid fanTrust the Barca fan to make ridiculous assessments of Messi & Ronaldo.
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