Watching his cameo against Celtic was great as he looked sharp and fit for the first preseason in a couple of years. Hopefully this is the season that he starts to fulfill his obvious potential and steers clears of the injuries that have hampered his progress to date.
Danny Welbeck
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Manchester United force Sunderland into loan move for Danny Welbeck after placing £8m valuation on his head - report
Manchester United force Sunderland into loan move for Danny Welbeck after placing £8m valuation on his head - report - Goal.com
Manchester United force Sunderland into loan move for Danny Welbeck after placing £8m valuation on his head - report - Goal.com
I think the valuation is clearly bollocks, we sold Frazier Campbell for about 6 mil so Danny is clearly worth more than a 2 mil difference. I also think he can do a job out wide for us this season and hope he gets the chance.
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He will never make it as a first team regular at United. Has good ability, but not enough to really make it.
I think Hernandez and Macheda will always be ahead of him, and seeing as Rooney is only 24 I don't see that he has much hope.
I think Hernandez and Macheda will always be ahead of him, and seeing as Rooney is only 24 I don't see that he has much hope.
He's more naturally gifted than Macheda and more versatile.
How the hell can you tell that at 19?
Not sure he is hugely versatile. He has played on the wing, but he has never had a great game whilst playing there.
I think Macheda has more in his locker than Welbeck.
Fair shout, it is just my opinion.
However, having watched many young players at United over the years, I don't see him making it.
In fact, I think both King and Keane are better prospects from what I have seen.
He can play all across the forward line, which Macheda can't. He has had some decent games wide, I can't recall him having any great game, or Macheda either for the first team as yet, although both have impressed.
As for Macheda having more in his locker, I can't agree with you there either, but you are entitled to your opinion.
I've sin both King and Keane too and they have nothing on Welbeck... Keane will never make it and King will probably fall off eventually too unfortunatley. The only one i can see coming through to the first team is Pogba... Morrison hopefully but needs to develop alot.
Welbeck was an absolute stand out player in the youth side, and has prospered at each step up that he's made. Hard to argue with.
How on earth do you think you are placed to make comments like that? You're talking about a 17 and 18 year old for crying out loud!
Didn't have play on the wing in a game against Spurs? Was FA Cup I think.
He pretty much raped whoever their left back was.
Well we will see wont we. It might be a brave comment but history shows you that its hard for player in the youth team to make that step up to the first team but credit to United we produce a lot of players that go on to have good professional careers away from United and you can't argue with that. Just because i believe only one or two will make it from this crop doesn't mean others who are younger wont come through... i'm just judging from this crop. How many of Welbeck's group have made it to the first team so far??
Macheda is a finisher - he looks like a proper finisher so could have a big future. But in terms of who has more in their locker? Welbeck for me.
That's absolute bollocks. Are you basing this on anything whatsover?
I agree with you about Welbeck, although he does need to continue to develop and improve, because he is at least two years ahead of Keane and King.
However, I completely disagree with you about both Keane and King. For a start, you can't possibly know that Keane "will never make it" until he is given a chance in the first team, and that comment alone suggests that you haven't been watching him on a weekly basis. The club rate him very highly indeed.
At this point — and that really can't be stressed enough — it's hard to think of any strikers in the U18's over the years that have looked more likely to make it than those two, perhaps apart from Welbeck. Personally, I can't separate the four of Macheda, Welbeck, Keane, and King, because it's so difficult to know how they will continue to develop and whether they will cope with the unique demands of a club like United.
They are four very different players, each with their own unique take on the striker position, and I will be extremely disappointed if all four aren't at least given a fair chance of first team football with this club.
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Clearly you have not watched the same games I have!.
I honestly don't see what Welbeck has. Don't get me wrong, he is a good player, but not good enough for us. I think he will end up being a PL player but not with us.
I mean, he is quick but not that quick, he is not that strong, not great in the air, not a great play maker, a good finisher but not a great finisher and has a pretty good shot on him.
To make it at this club, you need something that makes you special. I don't see what makes him special.
Adding to the King/Keane vs Welbeck debate....
Both King and Keane are better goal scorers than Welbeck imo. King also has greater strength and equal pace. Welbeck could develop into more of a winger in the Herny style, but King will be a central striker. great prospect and a better prospect as a striker than Welbeck imo. As for Keane, I am a little more unsure of him, due to his physical attributes. He really reminds me of Sheringham, with his game based on positioning and inteligence, with great finishing. My issue with him would be that I don't think he has the pace to be a top level striker, or the strength to make up for that lack of pace. Still, a very promising player and if he grows in stature, he could be a great player.
Both King and Keane are better goal scorers than Welbeck imo. King also has greater strength and equal pace. Welbeck could develop into more of a winger in the Herny style, but King will be a central striker. great prospect and a better prospect as a striker than Welbeck imo. As for Keane, I am a little more unsure of him, due to his physical attributes. He really reminds me of Sheringham, with his game based on positioning and inteligence, with great finishing. My issue with him would be that I don't think he has the pace to be a top level striker, or the strength to make up for that lack of pace. Still, a very promising player and if he grows in stature, he could be a great player.
Kiko seems to have that right place right time knack which will serve him well and i think he'll go on to be a good goalscorer he's got that look about him, determined, strong, single minded i'm really hopeful of him
Welbeck for me has more to his game though, and what i like most is his composure. He's never looked nervous or shyed away from a game and in front of goal he tends to pick the right option more than most teenagers do. I think he's got a big future myself, he outshone Owen in the CC last year imo and has scored some really good goals for the first team with little playing time. Was by all accounts doing very well at PNE before the injury too
King and Keane shouldn't really be compared yet as they're at least a year off the 1st team and reserve football is no comparisson, the step up is huge and many have fallen by the wayside down the years. They're certainly bright prospects though
Welbeck for me has more to his game though, and what i like most is his composure. He's never looked nervous or shyed away from a game and in front of goal he tends to pick the right option more than most teenagers do. I think he's got a big future myself, he outshone Owen in the CC last year imo and has scored some really good goals for the first team with little playing time. Was by all accounts doing very well at PNE before the injury too
King and Keane shouldn't really be compared yet as they're at least a year off the 1st team and reserve football is no comparisson, the step up is huge and many have fallen by the wayside down the years. They're certainly bright prospects though
I'm not sure what you are talking about but I'm pretty certain that either you have zero knowledge of football and player development or you are one of a handful of people on this forum who have opinions on players you not seen enough of to form an educated opinion on.
Then you must be pretty blind because the boy has plenty of pace, good close control, already looks a good dribbler of the ball and a good finisher. By all accounts he is also a very techincally gifted football for his age which you can see in some of the goals he has scored at this top level. He is also only 19 years old!!!! 19!!!!!!
Again absolute rubbish,
He is a quick player not young micheal Owen quick but quick all the same especially when you consider he is already above 6ft. As for your opinion on his strength, i'm afraid that just shows your complete lack of knowledge of youth development because as I mentioned he is 6ft 1" and possibly still growing but as he is still a teen he is still developing physically. He is also still learning to use his strength in the correct way at the highest level and is already even at this early stage looking more muscular this season than he did the last. Thats how youth development works, sometimes especially in terms of strength you don't see the results straight away it sometimes takes a year or two for them to begin to lose their "coltishness" and begin to develop a more muscular physique.
You also say his not a great playmaker, well he would really be would he? he's a bloody forward he's expected to be able to cross and pick a pass of course but why the hell would he be expected to make a great playmaker when you would expect him to be more on the end of things or putting the ball into the box from wide? Another bizzare comment from you. And as for his heading abilty thats another thing which at 6ft 1 and 19 years old you would expect to get better with time, after all Rooney didn't become a decent header of the ball until he was 23/24.
I do wish we had less posters like yourself on these forums, its nothing personal I just think you have a complete lack of knowledge about youth development and how young player are educated about the game. Young players have to take on board alot of footballing knowledge fast, and not everybody can be like Messi and have it all pretty much figured out by 20, it takes a bit more time for some players. What I hear too much of on this forum is people with half baked ill formed opinions like your own, writing off 19 year old footballers with very little evidence or knowledge to backup their claims.
I call them "next junkies" because they are always looking for the next big thing instead of focusing on how good a player is and can be given time. I can guarantee that if Welbeck were a youngster coming through at any other club than united he would have more games under his belt and there would be people like yourself salivated about him.
The boy is 19, writing him off when his talent should be quite obvious to anybody with an ounce of knowledge about youth development is just sheer lunacy. But then that never seems to stop posters like yourself who I can guarantee will be doing the same with Keane and king when they get anywhere near the first team.
So lets get this right. Just because my opinions are different from yours, this means I know absolutely nothing about football?.
You truly are a sad man.
Everything I wrote was my opinion and was clearly expressed as so.
What makes you think you know more about football than me?. As an MUTV subscriber for over 10 years I have seen every young player this club has had during this time. If you search back to a post on the FA Youth Cup semi-final about three seasons back (which I attended by the way), I even said back then that I did not think Welbeck would make it at United.
If you look back over the past 10 years, who has actually made it from the youth team to established first teamer - very few. Fletcher, O'Shea, Evans, Rafael and potentially Gibson. That is very few players, so the odds are certainly against it.
My point about him not being a playmaker is highlighting that he is not really made to be a striker to play in the whole behind another striker - sort of like Rooney before last season.
but your observations seem to be pretty off the mark. you actually state your opinion which is well and good but then go on to make statements with little backing, which probably induced that rant. you might well be right but the way that your posts come across in this thread do you discredit, taking into consideration the fact that you have been following the youth team for a long time. your argument seems to pivot around the fact that the odds are low, in which case then every 19-20 year old who hasn't made it at a big club can pack it in. For example, pedro broke into the barca first team only after turning 22 (citing an recent example to convey that more time should be allowed before passing a judgement)
I have just gone through the Reserve forum to check threads on Welbeck (because he is a player i really like and hope makes it in the next 2-3 seasons or so) and you can clearly see the progression.
While Macheda has captured headlines, Welbeck has done his fair share of impressing. It is just that he looks a bit lost, but technique wise, he is pretty good despite looking awkward at times. And more often than not, he scores or has an opportunity (he might not always score but the fact that he does get into those positions and some times creates chances is a good thing). For example, against Everton in the FA Cup semi-final when we played kids, he should have got a penalty which was denied (this is just off the cuff of his performance when he played and hasn't scored)
Thanks for the constructive reply.
We are talking about opinion here and not fact, because that is all you can give when talking about how much you rate a player.
I do appreciate that players develop at different rates, and Pedro is a great example, as is Darron Gibson. But it still does not alter that fact that I don't see that extra something special in Welbeck that makes me believe he will be a first team regular. As I said earlier, I think he will make it in the PL, just not at United.
Just one more thing. I would never think that any 19-20 yo is the finished article (the odd player aside), but you still need to see something in a player that makes you think he can make it at this club. And that is what I don't see in Welbeck.
Of course the flip side of that is the 16yo who are amazing but never make it at the top level. I still maintain to this day that before this current crop of youngsters, the best youngster I have seen at United in the last 10 years is Madds Timm. The guy was ridiculously talented. However, his attitude was all wrong and he obviously never made it and is now playing in Denmark I believe.
but the other side of the equation is that if it all comes together even if there is nothing extra special, it still would be the making of one awesome player. and i guess that is why there is a lot hope built around him making it.
Retired due to lack of motivation aged 24, says it all really.
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That would have got him a lot of attention for the 12 months he spent in prison then!
Evidently you are the anti-christ and clueless on football if you do!.
You've been a member on here since 2001. Surely you know how it works by now?
Your right.I'm always happy for a local boy to break through to the first team and possibly become a superstar, but I too do not understand why some people seem to see unlimited potential in Welbeck. He has good technique and can strike a ball, but from what i've seen in his first team appearances he doesn't seem to have taht aura to justify the hype.
Shame you never watched him in the reservse and youth team where he was a class above everyone else. What you have to understand is sometimes it takes time for players like Welbeck to adjust to taking that next level, like many youngsters that aren't unordinary like your Micheal Owens, Ronaldo's and Rooney's of this world. Take a look a players like Steven Gerrard or Iniesta breaking through. Did they have instant aura?!!
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He's already shown far more than Macheda for the first team, just look at the variety of goals he's scored, and also set up a few too. It's not about being local, it's due to being an extremely talented young player.
Certainly looked a lot better than Macheda tonight. Still not quite sharp enough and perhaps failed to anticipate some through passes but was a threat throughout. On that performance I'd be looking to keep him rather than loan him out.
He's going to be a very good footballer, hopefully with us. He's just got so much more to his game than most other strikers in the game, if he doesn't fulfill that talent it'll be a massive shame.
He's got such grace when carrying the ball, he's always involving himself in the build up with neat interplay, he's very aware of the players around him with the ball and he's got a very good (and varied) strike. He's still lacking that sharpness around the goal, but I think it'll come.
He might not make it with us, although I still believe he will, but he'll be a very influential player at another team if not.
Very nice assist.
He's got such grace when carrying the ball, he's always involving himself in the build up with neat interplay, he's very aware of the players around him with the ball and he's got a very good (and varied) strike. He's still lacking that sharpness around the goal, but I think it'll come.
He might not make it with us, although I still believe he will, but he'll be a very influential player at another team if not.
Very nice assist.
Welbeck was very good tonight, probably man of the match and our most dangerous player. Made lots of good runs, had some good passes, pressured them into mistakes, made an assist to Obertan and had two cracking efforts. The one just past the post deserved a goal.