David Moyes | West Ham in talks with him for managerial job
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I wonder if that is what clinched it for him at the interview as a candidate for the Job at United. "Honestly Bobby, Alex, Ed... Expectations are far too high here, I need time to build a ditch deep enough so that LVG can come after me and start laying the foundations"
There's no doubt about his EPL experience. My only two concerns is
a- his knowledge of players outside the EPL. The EPL is now so rich that its almost impossible to make any bargains at all. Clubs like Sunderland whose got a limited budgets will need those players to survive. Players like for example Payet, Mahrez, Kante, Di Canio etc who would come in on cheap, they can make a big difference to the quality of the team and they can be sold a few years down the line for a huge profit.
b- throughout the past 2 decades the British school of management hasn't produced 1 decent manager. This can change quickly. For all I know Giggs or Carragher can step in at Southampton as manager and they end up winning the EPL just like Ranieri did with Leicester or Clough did at Forest. However is it wise to rely on a manager who has learnt from a school and who comes from a generation who had disappointing big time?
"Cut from the same cloth as Fergie"
He'll be touching cloth if they lose this weekend
He'll be touching cloth if they lose this weekend
Moyes thinks he's spanish now?
For the job Moyes should do now, it shouldn't be a problem, because Sunderland isn't going for anything more than midtable at best, and I think Sunderland would like him to build a solid team as he did at Everton, so the foundation is there for a better manager in the future. Sunderland currently is a big shambles, and arguably the hardest place in the PL to really succeed, because there's no real foundation, which comes down to the big turnover of managers in the last about 5 years, where they've had 6 different managers who've not been very good at buying players, so Moyes is left with a poor squad. He's not doing himself any favours however by buying shite like Love, McNair and a past it Pienaar, so Sunderland might be looking for their 7th manager in 5-6 years during this season.
I think its a problem. That's squad is shite. Newcastle ended up relegated despite having a better squad/manager.
Rafa was only in charge for their last 10 games, of which they got 13 points compared to the 24 points they had after McClaren's first 28 games. Had Rafa been in charge the whole season, they would've survived imo.
Mclaren isn't a bad manager for British standards either.
He is terrible. He got lucky that one year in Netherlands. Other than that he is as shit as Moyes.
Yes he is.
that's why I wrote for British standards. The current level at the moment is ridiculously low
Up until 2010 he'd done pretty well, taking away his time in charge with England of course, but winning the League Cup with Middlesbrough in 2004 (their only major trophy) and getting them to the UEFA Cup final in 2006, and winning the league with Twente (their only league title) is better than anything Moyes has done. Since then his career has been shocking though, more shocking than Moyes' who've had two jobs that just didn't fit his profile. The Sunderland job is more his thing, or it should be at least, but time will tell if he's lost all ability to manage.
Sam is much better than McLaren. In
They'll lose every game and beat us 1-0.
I think the Sunderland squad is shocking. They have a lot of players who, in my opinion, aren't good enough to be playing in the premier league. David Moyes is *probably* as good an appointment as they could make. Obviously, names like Claude Puel or (when Southampton made the appointment) Mauricio Pochettino are always out there, but I'm not really that knowledgable about hipster managerial choices, but Moyes will get teams set up so they are hard to break down, Moyes knows the league etc. I think they are also a little unlucky. They couldn't have known England would lose to Iceland and the FA would approach Allardyce (there were campaigns for the appointment of Steve Bruce). Of course, once approached, Allardyce was always going to take the job. It's just that the approach came so late.
On them not deserving better, as I said there are always better options out there. Given more time, Sunderland may be could've found someone else. In fact, Sam being offered the England job was always a possibility after the Euro exit so they should've planned better.
Anyway, my point was that Moyes could've handled the relegation question in a more positive manner. The way he ended up answering did nothing good for anybody. Fans already feared another scrap, players probably did too and they needed a manager to come in and give them confidence.
Im saying even by British standards which is piss poor, he is still poor.
Sunderland fan posted this in the SI/FM forum.
Fecking identical to us in 2013....
Fecking identical to us in 2013....
And he still took the time to take a jaunt off to Spain, while our rivals were beefing their squads Moyesy was risking sun burn.
Un-be-fecking-lievable, look backing at that, I know they have mobile phones these days but that decision displayed the breathtaking lack of self-awareness that largely defined his tenure here
It gets more astonishing by the day that this guy ever managed us.
I don't understand why he hasn't bothered doing his own scouting before getting the job. Would have given him a huge leg up. He doesn't seem to take things very seriously and just relies on what he already knows
Probably due to his insecurity, he needs his customary yes-men in place, that way he won't be found out quite so quickly, it will atleast take 6 months.
When he first joined, he made some comment about building on the good work done by Big Sam. A month later and he's saying they can only really expect in a relegation battle. Shades of his time at United, from "I'm hungry to win trophies" at the opening press conference to "there'll be more days like this" after being mauled by City in his first derby. He may have had something going for him 7/8 years ago (although never United level) but too long stagnating in his Everton comfort zone followed by the United trauma seem to have finished him off as a serious manager.
After he fails to get in new players in the transfer window the customary throwing the players under the bus scheme will start, claiming how he would need atleast 5-6 new players that are up to his standards to be able to compete etc.
I remember how when we lost it was always the players fault, but the seldom times when we scraped a win it was always down to him.
Joke of a manager.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/david-moyes-says-poor-manchester-2472146
He even blamed SAF:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/sacked-manchester-united-boss-david-3453031
Everyone but old Davey. He is never to blame.
His Everton/Utd coaches haven't joined Sunderland.
Sunderland always have a boom - bust period from the back end of the season to the start of the new one. There's a culture of mediocrity there. Moyes post Everton is mediocre. He's a shadow of the man at Goodison who always had his team jeed up and ready to fight.
Exactly! Spot on.
Hahaha.... His attitude and premature damage-limitation statement of being in a relegation battle.... In August.... 2games into a season.
Man that signs his own death warrant in my eyes.
That and the fact that's he's a complete clown.
Only Moyesie knows what on earth he's doing first admitting they're in a relegation battle 2 games in, and then secondly slating the level of players he can bring into Sunderland! Everyone playing under him will know they are a mere stopgap in his eyes until he can bring some proper players in!
Can't see him lasting as long as he did with us!
Can't see him lasting as long as he did with us!
That last link isn't quite blaming Fergie, more saying his support diminished near the end.
As it bloody would the mess he made of it!
Came in, said the players were "winners", then it was suddenly we need 5-6 top players to compete in the champions league, then it was we need players to come into the first team to even compete.
On top of nonsense like we need to copy City, try and make it difficult for ...Newcastle at home, and ridiculous little leaks like trying to show Ferdy and Vidic vids of Jagielka, a player not fit to laces their boots, to improve their defending.
Whole thing was a farce, but better we've learnt now, than not at all.
About to buy the Spanish Fellaini.
To be fair, probably every player that signs for Sunderland thinks of the club as a stopgap for them, too.
Wish he'd buy the Belgian one
Januzaj saving his arse tonight
The Belgain one is doing just fine, at the moment
True....Still don't trust him though
Indeed, and it still early days but maybe all he really needed was some love
Love... As in Donald Love... As a team mate... Fingers crossed!
Exactly.
On pitch results are what ultimately build a reputation.
If you have a good reputation, as a manager, you will have a lot more sway with the fans and your employers.
For the record, I think Moyes is 100% correct in what ever he has said so far (and this is coming from a MUFC fan who was dead against Moyes, from the get-go - I was desperate to see him gone).
I think the decision makers of MUFC were stoned and drunk when they made the decision.
Some have said that Fergie chose Moyes on purpose to make himself look good (ie. "aww, look at what a great job I did; now look at the new manager, he can't do what I did. I'm so great."). I don't buy this theory though. I think Fergie genuinely believed that a mid table manager, who had never won a trophy before, with an average CV, could manage one of the biggest clubs in the World.