Which only underlines the real truth of the situation, ironically.
David Moyes | West Ham in talks with him for managerial job
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Its amazing isnt it? I dont think hes smart enough to be self-aware to realise this either, otherwise I would think this is some topnotch trolling of the media and other managers.The gift that keeps on giving. Such a wolly - a miserable, life-sucking wolly.
this guy is unbearable. he didn't even win the match, yes a draw for them is not a bad result against liverpool but my god, dude you are in the relegation zone with a -18 goal difference.
Maybe a few years ago but definitely not now with PL money.
He wouldn't get near top 6, then Everton have Koeman who's better, West Ham have Billic who's done more, Stoke has Mark Hughes who's better. West Brom have Pulis, who is also miles better. So is Big Sam. He's a bottom 5 manager who's targets are making them at best 8th place team, but he's not capable.
That draw wasn't even of his doing, Pool's defense all decided to take a rain check and gifted them two penos alongside a horde of chances. Credit
Mane has obviously seen how bad Liverpool's two keepers are and decided to audition for the role
What has all these managers done in EPL to prove he is better than Moyes ? With a shoe string budget, Moyes constantly had Everton in top 6 . He even got a top 4 as well. What has Pulis , Sam or Hughes done yet to prove they are better ? The only reason why I am giving Koeman a free pass in that list is because of his continental experience.
We can all hate the guy as much as we want . But the fact is he simply wasn't cut for the big job. But that should take anything away from his achievements with Everton.
Hasn't this been disproved many times before, with Everton budget & wage bill is pretty much reflects their annual finishing position?
As Alan Partridge once said, 'can I shock you...?'
That's honestly one of my favourite moments of Moyes!
Ok, so he's just nicked 2 points off Liverpool, so I'm in a good mood with him right now. But, at least he's actually being aggressive with that comment, rather than passive-aggressive.
At least he's actually being a proper cnut to Klopp, rather than his usual whinging and excusing.
Put it this way, that's way more offensive to Liverpool than anything he said when he was United manager!
Allardyce, Hughes and Pulis have all replicated what their 'success' at other clubs. So their level is established, they are all solid mid-table PL managers. Moyes has yet to prove he can replicate his work at Everton at a 2nd club never mind a 3rd or 4th like some of the others.
He didn't keep Everton with a shoe string budget in top 6. His average position in Everton was 7.8, the average wage for Everton was 8th.
You guys realize that's the very definition of a competent manager? It also shows he's not top team material
I know it's difficult to believe now, but at the start of his managerial career Moyes' teams played entertaining, attacking football that was as far removed from some of the tumescent stuff he served up as United manager as you can get. His first season as Preston manager was in 1998-99 in the third tier and coincided with our (City's) relegation to the same division. That season they played the most attractive football in the division IMO. IIRC they came to Maine Road around mid-October time on the back of a decent run, promptly played us off the park, and beat us 1-0. The 2 mates I still go to the games with to this day agreed with me at the time that they were the best side we played up to that point and even at the end of the season we felt nobody had played as well against us as Preston did that night. They didn't go up that season whereas we did, but I kept a close eye on them over the next few seasons and they continued to play good football under Moyes throughout his stint there. From what I can remember his early months as Everton manager saw them play similarly entertaining football but eventually something changed (maybe their flirtation with relegation in 2003-04 had something to do with it) and he reverted to a more, shall we say, pragmatic, style. That served him well a lot of the time of course, particularly when they finished in the top 4 in 2004-05, but he was never going to get away with that style when he took over at United.
Not sure he is gonna survive after today
He's a terrible manager. What were Sunderland thinking?!He is finished as a manager if he gets sacked imo. His last two jobs have not been given on a technicaliteh.
Showing his true potential here. Terrible terrible manager.
Moyes seems to be completely broken at this point. Not sure he'll get another PL job straight after if he's sacked now.
Wee Davey is taking one hell of a beating here.
Should've never left Everton. He had a good thing there.
Always has an excuse, not enough money at Sunderland, at United he got rid of the entire backroom staff and dithered with signings, simply not good enough.
He will lose his job today.
He will lose his job today.
Nah im sure he will find a job abroad based on reputation alone, maybe in Dubai or something. As a PL manager I agree, he'll be done for awhile
My app is showing they opted for a 3-4-1-2 today.
Doesn't seem to have worked today by the looks of it.
Might not be the best time to be experimenting as well seeing as they are in the relegation zone.
Doesn't seem to have worked today by the looks of it.
Might not be the best time to be experimenting as well seeing as they are in the relegation zone.
Don't think you can blame him for going to United, he'd have spent forever wondering how it would have panned out. Safe to say he'll regret it now though, I guess Moyes and Everton were just a good match. Awful manager.
But you can't really blame him for leaving when a big club finally came calling. Should have chosen better than Sunderland to manage after it went wrong at Sociedad though.
As in, he's finished in any respectable league not in the bottom feeder world.
Who? Who the hell wanted to sign David Moyes after what transpired at United and Sociedad?
He will keep Sunderland out of the relegation zone. This was a completely dismantled and it drew with Liverpool. Performances like today will happen and is part of the process. I think the board is mature enough to know this. Still half a season left with a very good chance to crawl out of the bottom 3. On paper they are the worst team in the league.
Are they though? Hull are rated worse and they're probably on par with Swansea in terms of quality.
I'm sure he was linked to a bunch of championship clubs but he had ideas above his station and wanted a big club.
Wouldn't be a premier league season if Sunderland fans weren't walking out at half time. Hopefully this is the year that Moyes sinks that ship.
He had it so good at Everton, the club was built around him. Easy to say now, but it was a mistake to leave and I think he knows it when he says he wasn't given a choice by SAF. What a huge mistake the whole move turned out to be
Ok, I get your point then and am inclined to agree with you.
His reputation is in tatters. So much water has passed under the bridge since he's Everton days. He's been a disaster wherever he's been. Soon he'll be like Barrymore arguing that National Television Awards means a channel should employ him ignoring the car crash of the recent past. Not sure people's memories are that long in football for anyone to say "he was decent at Everton a few years back"
I'm no fan of Moyes but this squad of his is really terrible. Only Hull look as weak on paper, but at least they have an honest group of workers. Sunderland have been on life support for a good while now and it was always going to catch up with them at some point, Moyes or no Moyes.
Not disputing they're one of the worst teams in the division (on paper) but didn't Allardyce have them playing as a more effective unit?
Yeah. Their sense of entitlement is ridiculous when you consider that for most of their modern history they've been rubbish.
When the Premier League started they were nowhere, then they got promoted in the late 90s and Sky hyped them up because they wanted to play on that 'passionate north-eastern nutter' thing that Newcastle had going on. The Sunderland fans seem to have bought into this hype and now act as if they should be an Everton-level club, which they're just not.
The fact that they stole another club's stadium name and claimed it as their own shows how plastic and delusional they are. Perfect club for Moyes.
Oh yeah I didn't mean a higher profile club but rather one that isn't a mess and would inevitably be in a relegation battle. He needed to rebuild his reputation and choosing a Championship club where there's less scrutiny would've been better. Perhaps get a team promoted or into the playoffs and go from there. Still the case, just that now I expect there will be no Premier League clubs even considering him once Sunderland inevitably get rid of him.
He did, and it's fair to say he worked something a miracle. I was surprised when they stayed up last season.
I do think so. They're complete shambles as a squad. Beyond their poor starting eleven they have nothing right now.