David Moyes | West Ham in talks with him for managerial job

Ok let me ask you something.

I'm not sure i could live in England and live any further from Manchester if i tried. I live at the bottom of Dorset. My dad was a league match book holder in the 70s and early 80s and he would travel from Dorchester home and away every single game, so when i was born and fell in love with the game instantly - seriously, as a child from about 1 year old onwards all i cared about was football, my earliest memories all revolve around football and i couldn't even read until i was 6 and in order to get me to learn my teacher pulled a football book out.

So with my dad being such a dedicated supporter and me being his only son, United weren't a choice for me. The passion i feel for the club is as strong now as it always was. I travel to matches but not as often as i used to purely because i am an adult now with responsibilities and financially i can't afford it. But does the fact that I am not from Manchester (i do have some loose family connections but we're talking very loose) make me less of a United fan then yourself?
Being fan of a team is a mental and spiritual journey, just like you and your dad. You don't need a justification from anyone whether you are a 'true' fan or not. I guess that's just my taking on this whole fan level issue.

Of course fans that traveling and watching live games more likely have better connection with the club, as they're investing more financially and emotionally wise. It's alright for me. I mean, it doesn't impact me in any ways to be called less or more red.
 
I couldn't imagine travelling from Dorset to watch a Moyes team (jut to keep it a bit relevant), With that said, spare a thought for the Sunderland fans. One of the teams that clocks up the most miles and all to see a David Moyes team.
 
Being fan of a team is a mental and spiritual journey, just like you and your dad. You don't need a justification from anyone whether you are a 'true' fan or not. I guess that's just my taking on this whole fan level issue.

Of course fans that traveling and watching live games more likely have better connection with the club, as they're investing more financially and emotionally wise. It's alright for me. I mean, it doesn't impact me in any ways to be called less or more red.

I am not that really bothered what he thinks to be honest, i was just trying to point towards the flaws in his 'top red elitism'

I couldn't imagine travelling from Dorset to watch a Moyes team (jut to keep it a bit relevant), With that said, spare a thought for the Sunderland fans. One of the teams that clocks up the most miles and all to see a David Moyes team.

I travelled up to both the 1-0 defeats that were mentioned earlier (Everton and Newcastle) for a 12:45 kick off which the Newcastle game was i leave my house and start driving at around 4am. I have done that countless times, with a stop on the m6 and m5 on the return journey i usually get home just in time for match of the day which is around 22:30.
 
I am not that really bothered what he thinks to be honest, i was just trying to point towards the flaws in his 'top red elitism'
Ultra-ism, elitism is the problem in itself. They take pride in what they do than actual the club. Like fan clubs become their passion than actually supporting their own club.
 
I am not that really bothered what he thinks to be honest, i was just trying to point towards the flaws in his 'top red elitism'



I travelled up to both the 1-0 defeats that were mentioned earlier (Everton and Newcastle) for a 12:45 kick off which the Newcastle game was i leave my house and start driving at around 4am. I have done that countless times, with a stop on the m6 and m5 on the return journey i usually get home just in time for match of the day which is around 22:30.

Fan or masochist? Nah, really, fair play to you. I don't think I'd have made it past the first services after pondering what was in store for the day.
 
Surely Twig is on a wind up. Non Manc fans are just as passionate and have a deserving voice as Manc fans.

There are some horrid fans out there, just check the Facebook feed for the club. Both local and foreign.
 
All hail @Barbara Charles
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I did not watch a single minute of our games in his last 4 weeks, no highlight, no football websites,...nothing. I spent the entire time trying to forget about football.
I honestly don't blame you, or anyone else for that matter, for going on a break during that time as it was just soul destroying, but I just couldn't. No matter how bad we are, I have to watch.
 
Ok let me ask you something.

I'm not sure i could live in England and live any further from Manchester if i tried. I live at the bottom of Dorset. My dad was a league match book holder in the 70s and early 80s and he would travel from Dorchester home and away every single game, so when i was born and fell in love with the game instantly - seriously, as a child from about 1 year old onwards all i cared about was football, my earliest memories all revolve around football and i couldn't even read until i was 6 and in order to get me to learn my teacher pulled a football book out.

So with my dad being such a dedicated supporter and me being his only son, United weren't a choice for me. The passion i feel for the club is as strong now as it always was. I travel to matches but not as often as i used to purely because i am an adult now with responsibilities and financially i can't afford it. But does the fact that I am not from Manchester (i do have some loose family connections but we're talking very loose) make me less of a United fan then yourself?

It's not that people from outside the area are lesser fans, it's just different. I think I know what @Wumminator is saying. It's supporting the local area beyond the club and feeling that the club represents where you come from. You can't just turn up on a Saturday afternoon and get that. It doesn't mean those who do aren't real fans though.
 
In light of his recent quote being mocked about 'Britishness' i'll leave you the following to laugh at. Old but still gold as far as i'm concerned.



 
I travelled up to both the 1-0 defeats that were mentioned earlier (Everton and Newcastle) for a 12:45 kick off which the Newcastle game was i leave my house and start driving at around 4am. I have done that countless times, with a stop on the m6 and m5 on the return journey i usually get home just in time for match of the day which is around 22:30.
One of the most depressing sporting events I've witnessed. The actual highlight being pre-match when a mate of my dad's almost got in a fight with a drunk geordie.
 
One of the most depressing sporting events I've witnessed. The actual highlight being pre-match when a mate of my dad's almost got in a fight with a drunk geordie.
I remember it so well. They scored pretty much dead on the hour and i remember thinking well that's 3 points to Newcastle then. First time i ever saw us go behind so early and just knew we weren't scoring.
 
I remember it so well. They scored pretty much dead on the hour and i remember thinking well that's 3 points to Newcastle then. First time i ever saw us go behind so early and just knew we weren't scoring.
Aye, knew it was over that moment. We walked out of OT saying that at no point did it look like we had any idea what we were doing. Even most crap teams you can see they're attempting something, be it crossing to a big man, sitting deep in defence, whatever. If we had some kind of gameplan that night, it was some baffling system of loitering around and hoping the ball fell in the right net somehow.
 
I live in Manc, have done most of my life.

Football for me isn't choosing a team. It's being indoctrinated into their culture. It's not so much of a choice but rather something you are born into. So some of my best mates are from Old Trafford. Some of the best memories I have with my Dad is supporting this team that has been both our lives. My whole ritual is to meet the lads after work and watch the games together.

To be so seperatedfrom the club I love would be weird to me. I couldn't do it. Id rather support a shite side that meant something to my home rather than picking someone.

You didn't answer @MJJ question though.
 
I live in Manc, have done most of my life.

Football for me isn't choosing a team. It's being indoctrinated into their culture. It's not so much of a choice but rather something you are born into. So some of my best mates are from Old Trafford. Some of the best memories I have with my Dad is supporting this team that has been both our lives. My whole ritual is to meet the lads after work and watch the games together.

To be so seperatedfrom the club I love would be weird to me. I couldn't do it. Id rather support a shite side that meant something to my home rather than picking someone.

Not supporting moyes isn't the same with not supporting united.

He's the wrong manager for the club we support and there has been no gray area about that since day 1.

We still want united to do well, but our wish can't hide the reality of his ineptness.

Wanting him out doesn't mean we don't love united, it's actually an expression of our care for united
 
If Sunderland go down, i can see them needing a while to come up again

The longer it takes, the better. I hope they get back to back relegation and do they stupid poznan in north conference in a couple of years.
 
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Even as a young boy our Davey was such an inspiring and striking lad. A true leader of men if I've ever seen one.
 
Good jesus, every game he comes up with something that makes you question can he say anything more idiotic.
 
Ok let me ask you something.

I'm not sure i could live in England and live any further from Manchester if i tried. I live at the bottom of Dorset. My dad was a league match book holder in the 70s and early 80s and he would travel from Dorchester home and away every single game, so when i was born and fell in love with the game instantly - seriously, as a child from about 1 year old onwards all i cared about was football, my earliest memories all revolve around football and i couldn't even read until i was 6 and in order to get me to learn my teacher pulled a football book out.

So with my dad being such a dedicated supporter and me being his only son, United weren't a choice for me. The passion i feel for the club is as strong now as it always was. I travel to matches but not as often as i used to purely because i am an adult now with responsibilities and financially i can't afford it. But does the fact that I am not from Manchester (i do have some loose family connections but we're talking very loose) make me less of a United fan then yourself?

Don't even bother with him. I'm all the way from Toronto and I still try my best to watch every single game now. Not sure how that makes me less of a fan.

I'm in the same boat as Heckney - only I'm in a place in Canada called Winnipeg, about as far from the footballing centre of the earth as you can imagine. 1230 kick offs start at 6am here. Old man was a match book ticket holder in the 60s and 70s will proudly claim to have been at the 1968 European Cup final and the match when Denis Law scored against us. We emigrated to Canada in the late 70s when there was little opportunity to watch matches - things got better and I'm sure many Canadian Reds recall listening to the late Graham Leggett saying "thank you very much" in a variety of languages during his weekly European football round up. I try to watch every match - much easier these days with the internet and all - remembering the pain of using the VCR to tape a key mid week Euro match when I was at work, only to have my efforts ruined by someone gabbing the score or match details when I didn't want to hear them. I'm over in the UK every year or so, and usually attend a match or two while I am there.

I have never felt the level of confusion and frustration with United as I have during the last days of Moyes' tenure. By what I now see as good fortune, I was not available to travel to the UK for most of that season - because it would it would have presented me with a problem I have never had to face as a lifelong United fan- "do I actually want to bother?".

Trying follow United from afar on the internet involves listening to many voices and trying to decipher how much of what is being said is accurate and how much is just grown men whinging. Moyes lost me when he came out with the infamous "Even Sir Alex would struggle with this squad" - you know, the one he cakewalked the league with the previous season... how could this clown be allowed to continue after saying something that stupid? I recall feeling totally despondent the 0-3 losses to City and Liverpool AT OLD TRAFFORD within weeks of each other... someone had to take action... right? Every time he always had his excuses (always designed to deflect blame from himself) and blathered on about how hard done by he was.

I have a great deal of sympathy for the punter who goes week in and week out to Sunderland these days (or the long suffering children of an old school Sunderland fan who emigrated to Canada or America or Australia, India or Asia and still follows the team with a certain passion)... I know it must be difficult watching this clueless dingbat try to right the ship. I wonder how many of them were actually happy when he was hired in the first place - "he used to managed United, led them to Champion's league quarter finals".

I am not bitter towards David Moyes... its no crime to want to be something better, something bigger than you are capable of... but he doesn't seem to have learned from his mistakes and he certainly doesn't seem to know his place. I will continue to wish poorly of his sides and hope he has no success until he comes to term with his own smallsidedness.
 
I'm in the same boat as Heckney - only I'm in a place in Canada called Winnipeg, about as far from the footballing centre of the earth as you can imagine. 1230 kick offs start at 6am here. Old man was a match book ticket holder in the 60s and 70s will proudly claim to have been at the 1968 European Cup final and the match when Denis Law scored against us. We emigrated to Canada in the late 70s when there was little opportunity to watch matches - things got better and I'm sure many Canadian Reds recall listening to the late Graham Leggett saying "thank you very much" in a variety of languages during his weekly European football round up. I try to watch every match - much easier these days with the internet and all - remembering the pain of using the VCR to tape a key mid week Euro match when I was at work, only to have my efforts ruined by someone gabbing the score or match details when I didn't want to hear them. I'm over in the UK every year or so, and usually attend a match or two while I am there.

I have never felt the level of confusion and frustration with United as I have during the last days of Moyes' tenure. By what I now see as good fortune, I was not available to travel to the UK for most of that season - because it would it would have presented me with a problem I have never had to face as a lifelong United fan- "do I actually want to bother?".

Trying follow United from afar on the internet involves listening to many voices and trying to decipher how much of what is being said is accurate and how much is just grown men whinging. Moyes lost me when he came out with the infamous "Even Sir Alex would struggle with this squad" - you know, the one he cakewalked the league with the previous season... how could this clown be allowed to continue after saying something that stupid? I recall feeling totally despondent the 0-3 losses to City and Liverpool AT OLD TRAFFORD within weeks of each other... someone had to take action... right? Every time he always had his excuses (always designed to deflect blame from himself) and blathered on about how hard done by he was.

I have a great deal of sympathy for the punter who goes week in and week out to Sunderland these days (or the long suffering children of an old school Sunderland fan who emigrated to Canada or America or Australia, India or Asia and still follows the team with a certain passion)... I know it must be difficult watching this clueless dingbat try to right the ship. I wonder how many of them were actually happy when he was hired in the first place - "he used to managed United, led them to Champion's league quarter finals".

I am not bitter towards David Moyes... its no crime to want to be something better, something bigger than you are capable of... but he doesn't seem to have learned from his mistakes and he certainly doesn't seem to know his place. I will continue to wish poorly of his sides and hope he has no success until he comes to term with his own smallsidedness.
I would love to visit Canada.

I was never bitter towards Moyes i supported him as long as i could, but he was foolish during his entire reign. What has annoyed me is his constant talking about us and how he was hard done by etc. At the end of the day though United go on and he will always be a part of our history.
 
He is like the turd that just wont flush.

The sooner he fecks off into the oblivion, the better.
 
I travelled up to both the 1-0 defeats that were mentioned earlier (Everton and Newcastle) for a 12:45 kick off which the Newcastle game was i leave my house and start driving at around 4am. .

Funnily, that's the game when I gave up on him.
 
What the hell does that even mean? Genuine question.

I'm nowhere near smart enough to fully understand Moyes' thought process but my best guest is he wanted physicality and grit in midfield, something he believes that you don't get with foreign players.
 
What the hell does that even mean? Genuine question.

I doubt Moyes even really knows what it means, or at least he would have problems explaining what he meant which is why he used a ridiculous term such as 'Britishness'.

It does highlight though that Moyes really is a footballing dinosaur, and not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
 
:lol: Excellent Moyesie.

Wasnt Ndong one of the better players after a difficult start? I am pretty sure he got some praise on that Sunderland forum before he went to the Afcon. Gibson and Rodwell are useless, especially Rodwell.
 
I'm nowhere near smart enough to fully understand Moyes' thought process but my best guest is he wanted physicality and grit in midfield, something he believes that you don't get with foreign players.

He's only repeating what loads of people think tbh.

British players are seen as grafters, foreigners not so much... It's a generalisation but it's based somewhat on reality. Brits stick to what they are good at, and usually that involves "getting stuck in" and "closing down" a lot.

I get the impression you're all a bit too desperate to stick knife into moyes at any chance, he's said nothing here that's particularly noteworthy.