Dean Henderson | Nottingham Forest loan watch

You say nobody would give £40m for Henderson yet he was coming off the back of a successful loan spell in the Premier League. Why couldn't we have gotten £40m?
Ramsdale only cost Arsenal £25m after coming off the same loan spell, why would Henderson cost nearly twice as much?
 
Ramsdale only cost Arsenal £25m after coming off the same loan spell, why would Henderson cost nearly twice as much?

Also, in addition to what @Skills was saying above...Arsenal were buying from Bournemouth! We're financially far better-off than Bournemouth and since Henderson was actually in-demand at the time, clubs would have expected to have to pay a little more
 
I agree but that's my point.

No competent club would still have De Gea in goal or be having this debate - they would have gotten rid of both and would have spent the money on a proper, modern GK

I just feel like we are in the same position as 2 years ago? Henderson came back from a loan spell, everyone knew DDG cannot play the modern way but we couldn't get rid of DDG cause of the wage.

Henderson spent 2 seasons at United and is out on loan again. Come next season, we will be in the exact same position.

We should have done what we did this season but instead of loan sell Henderson, get a cheap keeper to be backup and look for a young cheap keeper who will be the long term no. 1.
 
I just feel like we are in the same position as 2 years ago? Henderson came back from a loan spell, everyone knew DDG cannot play the modern way but we couldn't get rid of DDG cause of the wage.

Henderson spent 2 seasons at United and is out on loan again. Come next season, we will be in the exact same position.

We should have done what we did this season but instead of loan sell Henderson, get a cheap keeper to be backup and look for a young cheap keeper who will be the long term no. 1.

Well, we could have sold Henderson after his Sheffield United loan. As I say above, I think we could have gotten £40m at that point.

I'd have done everything to shift DDG out and if necessary I'd have even considered paying him off to leave given his huge salary.

We could then have addressed the position properly and moved on.
 
I would love so so much that in future weeks he sucks that bad which will force NFO manager to bench him. Oh, that would be :drool: :drool: :drool:
"But but but, they promised me no1 spot"
 
I would love so so much that in future weeks he sucks that bad which will force NFO manager to bench him. Oh, that would be :drool: :drool: :drool:
"But but but, they promised me no1 spot"
You do realize that if he fails, United would be stuck with more deadwood we can't sell?
 
Hope he does well and we can get rid of for 20m next year. According to some reports, he was a trouble maker last year, he then chose to speak out at the club when he left on loan which I find weird because it was Ole that screwed him over and its just a loan. This guys career at United should be over after his antics but then again, anything can happen.
 
Hope he does well and we can get rid of for 20m next year. According to some reports, he was a trouble maker last year, he then chose to speak out at the club when he left on loan which I find weird because it was Ole that screwed him over and its just a loan. This guys career at United should be over after his antics but then again, anything can happen.
Have to agree as I can’t see us having/wanting him back now. Glad he got backache last nite though. :D
 
The idea that Ole screwed him is total horse shit. He reacted precisely how any and every manager would have reacted. Promise or no.
His injury gave De Gea a chance, which he took. The end. Welcome to being a footballer.
Henderson bitching about it reflects badly on him, not Ole
 
he's a crap keeper. i had a quick look at the 6 that city scored last night, and right enough he's at fault for most of them:
1st goal, haaland scores in his six yard box.
2nd goal came from a poor henderson clearance.
3rd goal he's on his line and ball goes in after two unchallenged headers in his six yard box.
4th goal was cancelo's strike from 20 yards, should have got a hand to it.
5th goal alvarez puts it through his legs.
6th goal, not that it matters but alvarez had him well beaten into the roof of the net.

so he can't even boss his own 6 yard box, won't close down and can't stop a shot. good luck trying to get 20m for that lump of shite.
 
Meslier was statistically the worst keeper in the league for shot-stopping last year. He was better the year before, but in general I don't find him to be particularly inspiring in net - whenever I watch him (and unfortunately I end up watching a lot of Leeds matches) he strikes me as having really weak wrists, plus the bloke is a giant, yet somehow still manages to look really small/sleight in net.
Meslier does look small in goal. Looks like someone went and got the tallest dude from accounting and put him out there.

But he is very efficient. Does everything pretty well and I like how he reads the game around him. Even though he lacks that presence the great ones seem to have, I would be very happy with Meslier in goal.
 
He should never even have been given assurances for a position he wasn't even the best at the club. So happy the club is moving on from the Henderson obsession. Good Lord, we wouldn't even consider anyone else because of his god given right to the long term number one.
 
I'm not quite sure why there's so much malice towards Henderson.

First, nobody is claiming he's a great goalkeeper, many are just pointing out that DDG is so poor that even an average/fair goalkeeper would have been an improvement. I genuinely do believe that DDG is, on balance and all things considered, probably the worst goalkeeper in the league now, so I would genuinely take ANY of the other 19 starting goalkeepers over him, including Dean.

Secondly, I think he was totally justified in what he said about the club. It was clear that Ole's 'man management' skills largely revolved around telling everybody what they wanted to hear, which ultimately just led to more problems down the line when promises where broken. People have to understand that goalkeeper isn't like other positions. Henderson is at a vital stage of his career and I agree that it is 'criminal' that he should be wasting his time playing four or five games a season when he could/would have been a starter elsewhere.

It's also telling he wasn't the only player to allude to broken promise. Lingard and Bailly also said similar and other players have clearly been left unhappy with the way Ole left them in limbo because of his inability to make a decision.

:lol:
 
I'm not quite sure why there's so much malice towards Henderson.

First, nobody is claiming he's a great goalkeeper, many are just pointing out that DDG is so poor that even an average/fair goalkeeper would have been an improvement. I genuinely do believe that DDG is, on balance and all things considered, probably the worst goalkeeper in the league now, so I would genuinely take ANY of the other 19 starting goalkeepers over him, including Dean.

Wow - that could quite possible be one of the strangest things I have ever read here. You would take .. say Danny Ward, Mark Travers over DDG ? Just because DDG had a poor game against Bournemouth. And afterwards we have won 3 games, conceded 1 goal and DDG has been generally very solid.
 
No, the problem is, this is a forum with 10,000+ members, at least 50% of whom don't know their arse from their elbow (and I am being generous saying '50%) so I am sure you can find the odd know-nothing nutter who was/is claiming Henderson is a fantastic goalkeeper....but I think most sensible posters are not saying that at all.

As I pointed out, and it seems you're alluding to my post, De Gea has been in terrible form for about three/four seasons now. Believe me, I am the first to say De Gea was world-class in his prime, but the last season he actually performed well was the year we finished 2nd under Jose.

Since then, his shot-stopping has fallen off a cliff as his reflexes/agility have waned and what's left is an absolute husk of a goalkeeper who only moves sideways like a 'foosball' GK, who makes huge, costly mistakes on a regular basis (I am not talking about small technical errors, I am talking about undisputed, major errors like the Brentford game), who is scared of his own shadow, who's first movements is always backwards and who offers absolutely nothing to his back four.

What many of us are/were saying is that whilst Dean Henderson might not be the long-term answer, it would have made more sense for the club to move on the very poor goalkeeper who earns £350K per week and keep the average/fair goalkeeper.

So you know a lot about football and the majority of the posters here dont know their arse from the elbow - well at least you are not being arrogant.....
 
Me! Me! Me! Me!

Everybody, look at me and what I've done. Saved that pen, didn't I? Who cares that we lost? I'm pleased with my performance, and that's all that matters.

And people wonder why we struggled to pull together as a team last season. So glad he's gone. Hopefully we get shot of him next summer.
So a player who didn’t play is the reason why the team didn’t pull together :lol:.
The levels of delusion going on, people also wanting him to fail so he ends up back at United, just incredible stupidity. I’m glad he’s doing ok, he’s going to have to work hard as he’s playing in a cobbled together team.
 
So a player who didn’t play is the reason why the team didn’t pull together :lol:.
The levels of delusion going on, people also wanting him to fail so he ends up back at United, just incredible stupidity. I’m glad he’s doing ok, he’s going to have to work hard as he’s playing in a cobbled together team.

Don't make me laugh. One of the leaks last season was of a 'selfish element' in the United camp. It's not hard to see that selfish element in that guy.

Let him 'do OK'. Just not at Man Utd.
 
Wow - that could quite possible be one of the strangest things I have ever read here. You would take .. say Danny Ward, Mark Travers over DDG ? Just because DDG had a poor game against Bournemouth. And afterwards we have won 3 games, conceded 1 goal and DDG has been generally very solid.

'Just because DDG had a poor game against Bournemouth'....

One, we haven't played Bournemouth...so I assume you are talking about Brentford...where he cost us three points (and admitted as much to be fair).

He was also terrible against Brighton but we'll ignore that for now because those mistakes, whilst obvious to some, are not clear-cut enough that they are 'debate-proof'.

And you talk as if he's just had a slow start to this season...he's been rank-bad for four seasons. He gets a bit of leeway because the commentators fawn over his every save. Take last night...routine, run-of-the-mill save from a long-range free-kick and the commentators are declaring it a "fantastic save"...I know lads who are amatuer/semi-pro level who would be saving that. It's bog-standard.

He's now a goalkeeper that isn't good at anything. I fear us facing shots on target because I have no faith in him whatsoever.

My point about those others goalkeepers is that at the very, very least, they do the basics. They are not scared of the ball or the post, opposition players or their own shadow, for example. They don't turn their back on shots or bottle diving at opponents' feet to make blocks. They come and claim crosses, they sweep the penalty area...

As I have said, there's too much hyperbole on this forum because most of our players are at least "fair/average" but I honestly believe this version of DDG is right down there, if not 'the' worst GK in the league, all things considered.
 
So you know a lot about football and the majority of the posters here dont know their arse from the elbow - well at least you are not being arrogant.....
Duh, don't you know? Agreeing with that poster = knows football, disagree = you don't, can't tell your arse from your elbow.

How could one argue against such flawless logic??
 
Don't make me laugh. One of the leaks last season was of a 'selfish element' in the United camp. It's not hard to see that selfish element in that guy.

Let him 'do OK'. Just not at Man Utd.
Grant and Jesse were the leaks. You can see whatever you like, but you’d probably miss and be wrong again.
 
Grant and Jesse were the leaks. You can see whatever you like, but you’d probably miss and be wrong again.
Do you have proof? Is this solely from what Scholes said?

Grant wasn't 100% proven either, it was just assumed because of his ties with Talksport. Just like Henderson, who we now know actually had a grudge at the time, unlike Grant.
 
Do you have proof? Is this solely from what Scholes said?

Grant wasn't 100% proven either, it was just assumed because of his ties with Talksport. Just like Henderson, who we now know actually had a grudge at the time, unlike Grant.
Yeah obviously I was the middleman to the leaks :p
Henderson was still at the club when it was confirmed the people who’d be found to be the sources had left after the club investigation
 
Henderson is a decent keeper, no more. Not anywhere near as good as DDG at shot stopping and only slightly better in the areas DDG falls down.

I would imagine that he would have got more of a look in had DDG not been on such crazy wages and impossible to move on. From a business point of view keeping them both on the books makes little sense and DDG was always going to be first choice baring a big performance dip.

I have no issue with Henderson really. Seems like a bit of a knob but plenty of footballers do.

I think next summer we will be looking for a ball playing keeper with the idea that a pure shot stopper won't be of as much value as a sweeper keeper who can allow the team to play higher up the pitch.
 
Yeah obviously I was the middleman to the leaks :p
Henderson was still at the club when it was confirmed the people who’d be found to be the sources had left after the club investigation
Sounds like something the leaker would leak, especially if they knew they were being investigated
 
I don’t think he is better than De Gea. He also seems the wrong sort of character. In fairness to him, he’s too good to be a bench keeper.

As a few have said, let’s hope he does well enough this season that we can just get rid of him. I’d let him go on a free if it’s the only way to get him off the wage bill. Let the lad play just not here.
 
Better than De Gea. Because he commands an area :lol: :lol: .

I said that he found his level. I was mistaken. He belongs to championship.