Think he wanted to acknowledge that Costa is not the only ex-Shakhtar player doing well.
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Oh. Most Shaktar players are doing really well though. Mkhitaryan, Fernandinho, Costa and Willian are all some of the best players in their league.
He could have had the lad but he chose Di Maria. It's officially one decision I can say I would have known better than our manager on!
In Hindsight?
Unless you can provide posts of yours, from the time you bought di Maria, supporting this claim, I'm going to respectfully call bullshit on that.
@pocco was one of the few who said it's a brilliant buy from us and that Costa will fly once given the chance at a top club, when the deal became public this summer. The transfer thread was rather short, only 2 pages or something like that, but you can find posts from "he's the wrong type of player for Bayern" to "he's worse than Shaqiri" or "Bayern will regret that they missed out on Depay". All the Bayern fans called it underwhelming. pocco was one of the few posters who gave me hope that he might be a success for us, so it's not hard to believe that he has always been a big fan of Costa.
ok then I'm sorry @pocco and I congratulate your knowledge.
I guess I shouldn't draw conclusions from my own ignorance, since I can vividly remember how I thought after our 1/16 tie against Shakhtar that Costa was a mediocre thug who didn't do anything but red worthy fouls
I guess I shouldn't draw conclusions from my own ignorance, since I can vividly remember how I thought after our 1/16 tie against Shakhtar that Costa was a mediocre thug who didn't do anything but red worthy fouls
From what I've read he was amazing throughout and did even more brilliant things, anyone watched the game? I've only seen highlights this morning. I'm so so happy that he's playing for us.
Yeah, this game shows how much of an idiot Dunga is for not starting Douglas Costa in Argentina.
This time he started with Neymar as false 9, and Renato Augusto (ex-Leverkusen) in place of Lucas Lima. The team as expected played much better. Douglas Costa and Willian are outplaying Neymar in Brazil official matches.
He is proving to be a top top signing for Bayern and I am sure he will become an even better player. However I have not given up on Memphis to become the player that we all hope he can. He is a full 3 years younger than Costa and still has a lot of time in his hand. Maybe he will be better than Costa by the time he reaches Costa's current age.
That was truely mind-boggling. Did he give an explanation for that decision?
Of course not. I doubt he even watches Bundesliga.
He looked like Juve’s best player yet again. He was doing something productive every time he had the ball, even near his own box beating the pressure.
He's so explosive and technically gifted.
I can't believe that no PL team went for him in the summer.
I can't believe that no PL team went for him in the summer.
He was also good for Bayern in the beginning. Then the trouble started. His ability is not the issue, but character and mentality
He is what we're missing on the RW. I think Fergie was interested in him when he was playing for Shakhtar but we never moved to sign in for some reason.
Pep also got the best out of him.
I was hoping we'd be interested in him when he was leaving Bayern. He's exactly the type of player we need on the right, someone who doesn't feck around and just gets into the box/out wide. No surprise that an extremely good player is playing well.
Surprised he fell out of favour at Bayern particularly with Ribery and Robben well into their 30s now. They have a winger in his mid 20s and let him go to a major rival?
Look at page 2 and 3, likes of Balu and Piratesoup are worshipping and demanding a statue is built of him pretty much and within 18 months he's gone.
Look at page 2 and 3, likes of Balu and Piratesoup are worshipping and demanding a statue is built of him pretty much and within 18 months he's gone.
He wasnt playing as well as at the beginning. He started well and got worse. Then he demanded a higher salary and his attitude wasnt the best also i guess. He got worse and worse and then they sold him. They couldnt get quick enough to get rid of him in the end
What's the bayern plan for the wings in the coming years? Still persist with Coman? Anyone decent being targeted?
They are rumored to be in for Malcom.
You just had to watch him and Coman in training and you knew why. Both have the dribbling skills and speed necessary - Coman always tried to play together with others and you saw pretty good combinations whereas Costa tried to do hollywood. Yes, maybe one time of 100 it pays out and that 30m kick lands in the net - but usually not.
In the first two to three months - maybe having a better form because of the other match rhythm in the Ukraine and because of being the new kid on the block that no defender knew how to handle - he had really great numbers. But that went down pretty fast.
Can create something out of nothing, beats people for fun, and on his day he can make any full back look ordinary. If Allegri can motivate him to keep performing then 30 mill for him is a huge steal.
would have loved to have him here.
would have loved to have him here.
Is out of talent age - but has 2 goals and 5 assists in 1028 minutes match time this season in the league. 1 assist in 560 minutes in the Champions League. His numbers in the first year for Bayern weren't better (and that included the high numbers from the first months) and a lot worse in the second season.
He might be able to make any full back ordinary - but than the end product does not really satisfy on highest level for a top club.
He is not a playmaker - the passing map usually ends with him... - the pass grave...
I cannot believe we didnt go for him, the price he went for was reasonable and he is exactly the type of winger we have been crying out for on the RW for years.
He created two penalties* out of nothing this tie. If fatso scored in Turin or the ref wasn’t an idiot today, he would be the deciding factor in a CL knockout stage. That doesnt show up in stat sheet. Give me a player who can tilt a quarter final like that over someone who produces cute stats in the domestic league against fodder.
He did not really show that he is a big game player either... You see just one match. He has been pretty useless in a lot others...
At Bayern - after his first two months we all thought the future question about who can follow Robben and Ribery would be solved - but it was just a short performance peak of him that did not last. There weren't any tears cried when he left...
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Only looking at statistics is a pretty bad way to judge a player.
http://www.juventuz.com/threads/43141-Douglas-Costa?p=5693835#post5693835
Almost every Juventus fan seems very happy to have him on the team. They watch him every week. That’s a much better indicator of a players’ quality than just statistics.
I will always be annoyed the we've never tied up a deal for him from Fergie's days till now.
As a Bayern fan I’m sure he’s seen plenty of Costa as well.
@Blackwidow has a point which I agree. Not exactly productive for major of his career, but is very good at getting the ball up the pitch when even losing it, with his workrate, his team can set up to counter press. He is not every team's ideal since not every team have luxury of using this kind of tactic. Trying to get him into his first season mode at Bayern is big risk. Lichsteiner was subbed on for a reason despite overall, he is not a very good player nor should be considered an attacking sub: putting in decent cross!
Don't think he's all that, really.
Think he'd be perfect for our right flank. He disappears when out on left but on the right he's a game changer in terms of how well he can carry the ball from deep at extreme pace.
That's quite controversial point to make. His so called best performance was on the left for Bayern, which he is yet to replicate since. On the right, as I described in my previous post, he is very flawed despite having its own usefulness tactically.
Whenever I saw him at Bayern, under Pep.. I used to love it when he switched flank and went on the right. To be fair he was in good form under Pep so either flank was fine but I do think for his career to get to the next level more consistently he just looks more comfortable getting it on the right side and looking up with all pitch in front of him and he can cut in or go outside.
When he's on the left he becomes more one dimensional and struggles to run at people from very deep positions and his crossing is also hit and miss. Compare him to Sane who looks so natural down the left and knows how to get involved during the entire game.
Costa on the right could be a phenomenal player.
His end product is iffy on the right compared to that season on the left. Still explosive on the right but, as previous post pointed out, on the right, he pretty much blew off in the end. He is not too good a shooter so him and his cross from the right ain't that good.
I agree he is more one dimensional on the left, however it fits his skill set ( crossing style) which where his end product improved. I don't think he has problem with running from deep on left wing at all. Even in his worse season at Bayern. It was no problem.
End product wise I won't argue with you. My point is that I don't think Costa will ever end up being a really productive footballer as he just doesn't have the high tier intelligence to consistently make good decisions but what he does have is like Di Maria have a exhilarating ability to break through any given defence at breakneck speed and cause havoc. Type of guy you want to constantly take people on and turn defence into attack but a guy you don't want to rely on to provide the killer pass.
I just think on the left, he plays too safe from what I've seen at Juve. You know he's going to want to go round the outside abit like Valencia and it makes him easier to defend against (if you're a good defender with decent pace to keep up) whereas on the right if he cuts in, very difficult to keep up with him. We'll agree to disagree but I'd love United to get him or Mahrez for our right side.
I know what you mean by having options to cut inside is better. In this case I agree to disagree. Some player is better on the side of their strong foot. Douglas Costa is closer to the traditional winger in the type of Giggs than a forward. Causing havoc, driving the team forward and forcing opposition back is all good in certain situation like today. Still there is a point where end product is needed which a full back sub in Lichsteiner becomes an attacking tactic change with his ability to whip decent cross.
For us, we lack the options to put the consistent cross into the box from the right flank. And until recently Valencia did fine enough to drive forward that right flank. The problem is end product which Douglas Costa as I see you can agree here lack as right side wide attacker. So that's not the answer for our problem.
Edit: highlight vid is not the best, but pretty much confirm the match I saw from him this season for Juve
When it comes to end products, he got more from playing on the left (Last 3 minutes of the vid or so)
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Costa dealt with injuries at Bayern though. He needs to be fit to do well, its basically all he has.
I agree he is better in the right. In his first season at Bayern he produced this great late winner away from home
https://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=Yd_c8pPekbE
I agree he is better in the right. In his first season at Bayern he produced this great late winner away from home
https://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=Yd_c8pPekbE
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Was class last night, looked very mature too. He was completely press resistant and relieve pressure time after time by varying the ball or finding a man in space.