Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse

be interested to see how the JT case develops. it would suggest he's in for far worse punishment but say for instance the CPS (somehow) find him not guilty will that kaibosh any charges the FA could bring against him? would be hilliarious if he got off scot free (well not really but you know what i mean)


oh and Dumpy is clearly trolling btw
 
Just heard the news. I hope Terry gets the same punishment.

Liverpool's statement is an embarrassment. Looks like it was written by an angry supporter.

How can they back a racist that is found guilty?! fecking idiots!
 
I know it's probably not the right thing to say as obviously Evra was insulted by Donkey Head but the fall out to all this had been quite hilarious - especially from the "it's never us" quarter.

Anyway, at least the 8 game ban is someone elses problem, not ours.
 
olesmyhero said:
It's a strange one. They're claiming there was no evidence it happened despite Suarez claiming it did happen.
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Yes, Suarez obviously dug his own grave on that one and he would have been in no position to backtrack on his statement at the personal hearing.

My own view is that the Mickeys were advised by their legal team that there'd probably be no case for a guilty verdict ...... they were probably stunned about the Misconduct charge under E3 (1) and even more perplexed by the additional wording by The FA Panel.

Sorry, I still find it funny - 8 games !

eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh! eh!
 
I love the whole "SAF controls the FA argument".

Was he controlling them when Cantona and Rio got 8 MONTH bans? Or when Evra got a 4 match ban for a minor scrap an hour after a game finished. Or when Rooney got a 2 match ban for swearing at a TV camera? Or when he himself got a touchline ban.

The last thing SAF does is control the FA. If anything, we get far worse punishments than everyone else.
 
Scousers gonna scouse. On the evidence before us, I'd love hear a rational lad like Spammy discuss this matter.
 
I'm interested in hearing how that clown camp will carry on with their appeal. How they'd go about and justify a reduced penalty tickles my mind given the absolutely outrageous statements they've come up with thus far.

Frivolous appeal and he'll be gone for another X games.
 
I may have it wrong but....

Suarez has 14 days to appeal. If he uses that period to make sure he is fit for City, he'll miss the United game.

However, if he was to accept the Ban now and start it today.... he'd be back to play against United on February 11th....
 
MPTutd said:
I love the whole "SAF controls the FA argument".

Was he controlling them when Cantona and Rio got 8 MONTH bans? Or when Evra got a 4 match ban for a minor scrap an hour after a game finished. Or when Rooney got a 2 match ban for swearing at a TV camera? Or when he himself got a touchline ban.

The last thing SAF does is control the FA. If anything, we get far worse punishments than everyone else.
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Liverpool fans don't have this type of sense (well most of them don't anyway).

They don't have any reasoning. All they see is that Sir Alex is the Big Bad controlling the FA for all things positive to United.
 
Pexbo said:
I may have it wrong but....

Suarez has 14 days to appeal. If he uses that period to make sure he is fit for City, he'll miss the United game.

However, if he was to accept the Ban now and start it today.... he'd be back to play against United on February 11th....
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I want him to play against us. You know what Scousers are like with excuses when we beat them "We would have won if it wasn't for G&H/Woy/Suarez/Refs/Fergie" etc. :boring:

Actually, they will probably blame this suspension on why they'll end up 6th place come May.
 
Urbanned said:
Get the feck out of this thread Dumpstar, you're making an embarrassment of yourself.
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Blimey lighten up will you lot! You're all tighter than a very tight thing tightened tightly next to another tight object. What's with all the high anxiety? I've come to accept Suarez's punishment and don't feel too stressed.

So now we don't have Suarez, how many goals do you reckon we'll lose by to City in January? :boring:
 
Skywarden said:
I'm interested in hearing how that clown camp will carry on with their appeal. How they'd go about and justify a reduced penalty tickles my mind given the absolutely outrageous statements they've come up with thus far.

Frivolous appeal and he'll be gone for another X games.
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Surely the punishment couldn't be reduced could it? I mean he used racial terms in a derogatory sense, he's either guilty or not.
 
Dumbstar said:
Blimey lighten up will you lot! You're all tighter than a very tight thing tightened tightly next to another tight object. What's with all the high anxiety? I've come to accept Suarez's punishment and don't feel too stressed.

So now we don't have Suarez, how many goals do you reckon we'll lose by to City in January? :boring:
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Oh no, no, no; you can't get away with it that easily.

You have the best defensive record in the league and, with that, you shall be taking a 0-0 draw away from the United Arena. Blimey, Carroll might even engineer a chance in their area. He might even (less likely) hit the target and he might, might even score.

















Lol.
 
The always hilarious BBC 606 page on Facebook has produced this gem...

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Looks like this ever-so-intelligent chap is an Arsenal fan as well.
 
Dumbstar said:
Blimey lighten up will you lot! You're all tighter than a very tight thing tightened tightly next to another tight object. What's with all the high anxiety? I've come to accept Suarez's punishment and don't feel too stressed.

So now we don't have Suarez, how many goals do you reckon we'll lose by to City in January? :boring:
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As many as you would anyways - Suarez scoring record is apalling for a supposed decent PL striker.
 
marjen said:
As many as you would anyways - Suarez scoring record is apalling for a supposed decent PL striker.
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I agree. I've seen Liverpool fans say he's the most exciting player to come to them in years, and one even said he's the best player that's been at the club since Gerrard broke through :wenger:

No matter what Liverpool fans say, I'm not sure Suarez will ever do for them what Torres did. Yes true, Torres played with better players, but on form Torres is so much better. Whether he ever gets back to that form is another thing though.

Suarez just isn't clinical enough in front of goal. Very good player, but doesn't score enough goals.
 
Where is that Evra .gif of him winking, I have an idea.
 
Gus Poyet is back

13.45: Quote Gus Poyet, the Uruguayan manager at Brighton & Hove Albion, has come out in support of his compatriot desrcribing Suarez's ban as "incredible" before saying he will back the striker "to the death".

Talking to Ultimas Noticias, a Uruguayan newspaper, poyet said: "The ban is incredible, shocking, it's disproportionate. I back Luis to death.

"Things have happened before with Evra. He is not a saint. He is a controversial player.

"I don't know in which world we are going to live in from now on people. People will accuse each other of anything.

"Suarez just arrived [in the Premier League] and there are things that he has to learn when you are in another country because they might be normal in your country but perhaps they are not considered that way in other parts of the world.

"I have tried to explain that we live with coloured people in Uruguay. We share different experiences with them. We play football, we share parties. We are born, we grow up and we die with them. We call them 'blacks' in a natural way, even in an affectionate way. That is the way we were brought up. We are integrated and there are no problems from either side.

"I've explained how the Uruguay people and the South Americans experience these situations with coloured people. I've been many years in England and I understand them. I know how to deal with it, but Luis has only recently arrived here."

Liverpool's Luis Suarez guilty of racially abusing Patrice Evra: live - Telegraph
 
Rooney1987 said:
Gus Poyet is back

13.45: Quote Gus Poyet, the Uruguayan manager at Brighton & Hove Albion, has come out in support of his compatriot desrcribing Suarez's ban as "incredible" before saying he will back the striker "to the death".

Talking to Ultimas Noticias, a Uruguayan newspaper, poyet said: "The ban is incredible, shocking, it's disproportionate. I back Luis to death.

"Things have happened before with Evra. He is not a saint. He is a controversial player.
"I don't know in which world we are going to live in from now on people. People will accuse each other of anything.

"Suarez just arrived [in the Premier League] and there are things that he has to learn when you are in another country because they might be normal in your country but perhaps they are not considered that way in other parts of the world.

"I have tried to explain that we live with coloured people in Uruguay. We share different experiences with them. We play football, we share parties. We are born, we grow up and we die with them. We call them 'blacks' in a natural way, even in an affectionate way. That is the way we were brought up. We are integrated and there are no problems from either side.

"I've explained how the Uruguay people and the South Americans experience these situations with coloured people. I've been many years in England and I understand them. I know how to deal with it, but Luis has only recently arrived here."

Liverpool's Luis Suarez guilty of racially abusing Patrice Evra: live - Telegraph
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Yet I suppose Suarez is the patron saint of all things pure and good :rolleyes:
No he never dives, bites people, cheats, argues etc.
 
It makes so much more sense when you factor in that redman5 is actually Patrice Evra.
 
Kid Cunto said:
Surely the punishment couldn't be reduced could it? I mean he used racial terms in a derogatory sense, he's either guilty or not.
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Since this is unprecedented there's a slight chance convincing the Commission to reduce the penalty. There has to be evidence for the appeal to be accepted though; evidence which has not been considered during the initial ruling.

Can Suarez appeal to CAS? No, unless this case fails to activate Rule K in the FA Handbook:

http://www.thefa.com/thefa/~/media/...k-update-1011.ashx/FAHandbook-update-1011.pdf

page 129
AGREEMENT TO ARBITRATION
1 (a) Subject to Rule K1(b), K1(c) and K1(d) below, any dispute or diff erence between any two or more Participants (which shall include, for the purposes of this section of the Rules, The Association) including but not limited to a dispute arising out of or in connection with (including any question regarding the existence or validity of):

(i) the Rules and regulations of The Association which are in force from time
to time;
(ii) the rules and regulations of an Affi liated Association or Competition
which are in force from time to time;
(iii) the statutes and regulations of FIFA and UEFA which are in force from
time to time; or
(iv) the Laws of the Game,
shall be referred to and fi nally resolved by arbitration under these Rules.

(b) No arbitration shall be commenced under these Rules unless and until the party or parties wishing to commence an arbitration under these Rules (the “Claimant(s)”) has exhausted all applicable rights of appeal pursuant to the Rules and regulations of The Association.

(c) Rule K1(a) shall not apply to any dispute or diff erence which falls to be resolved pursuant to any rules from time to time in force of any Affi liated Association or Competition.

(d) Rule K1(a) shall not operate to provide an appeal against the decision of a Regulatory Commission or an Appeal Board under the Rules and shall operate only as the forum and procedure for a challenge to the validity of such decision under English law on the grounds of ultra vires (including error of law), irrationality or procedural unfairness, with the Tribunal exercising a supervisory jurisdiction.

(e) The parties agree that the powers of the court under Sections 44, 45 and 69 of the Arbitration Act 1996 are excluded and shall not apply to any arbitration commenced under these Rules.
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So Suarez was allowed to be openly racist in his time with Ajax was he?
 
Mockney said:
You've still got Carroll.
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To be honest, I'm interested to see how we'll play now Suarez is out. Firstly, we obviously now have the "world is against us" mentality which always helps and Dalglish can manipulate.

Secondly, gives a chance for Carroll to settle in. I still think he's going to be very good along with Henderson in the future - maybe not price tag class but just what a Dalglish team needs.

Unlike Lucas, Suarez isn't out for the season so when he does eventually come back we'll hopefully be a good squad/team unit by then. Thus less pressures on his shoulders to keep hitting the woodwork.
 
Another way that Liverpool have shot themselves in the foot is that they pretty much have to appeal regardless of the evidence that is presented to them by the commission.

The aggressive statement they made means, even if the evidence is compelling, they'll look like an even bigger bunch of idiots if they go "fair cop, we'll take the ban, cheers". They are going to have to appeal regardless.

What this does is take away the freedom that they would have had, if they had played it just a little bit cool, in picking the games that Suarez would miss.

So, if the commission present evidence which is clear and compelling, Liverpool would probably say "fair enough" and Suarez would miss:

Wednesday, 21 December 2011: Wigan
Monday, 26 December 2011: Blackburn
Friday, 30 December 2011: Newcastle
Tuesday, 3 January 2012: Man City
Saturday, 14 January 2012: Stoke
Saturday, 21 January 2012: Bolton
Tuesday, 31 January 2012: Wolverhampton
Monday, 6 February 2012: Tottenham

Whereas, they will no doubt take their 14 day appeal period, meaning he'll miss:

Saturday, 14 January 2012: Stoke
Saturday, 21 January 2012: Bolton
Tuesday, 31 January 2012: Wolverhampton
Monday, 6 February 2012: Tottenham
Saturday, 11 February 2012: Man Utd
Saturday, 25 February 2012: Everton
Saturday, 3 March 2012: Arsenal
Saturday, 10 March 2012: Sunderland

Yeah, they'll get to keep him for their trip to City. A fixture which they would probably lose regardless. However, they'll lose him for United, Everton and Arsenal - three games which they would probably fancy their chances in but would be devastated to lose.
 
I think the 14 days before the ban is guaranteed no matter what Liverpool decide to do (appeal or not). I could be wrong though.
 
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