Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse

So, perhaps judging from the reaction, Blatter was completely right, as we've seen from this, racism does not exist in football at any level.
 
moses said:
Not so sure. A lot of these comments don't dispute the facts, just that Evra should have said feck all. Lots of pros said they heard things like this all the time.
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"I can't believe this. It is a huge mistake that is being made. It is obvious that England has a problem with racism that they're trying to eradicate there, and that is fine, but this sentence has no solid grounds. Luis is a victim. I don't understand how a player like Evra can do this. He's breaking all the codes of football. We all know the kind of person Luis is, the values he has. We are very hurt. When a teammate of ours is suffering, we are all suffering. Now, all there is is supporting him and being with him", he said.
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I was specifically referring to the bolded parts. He's not in a position to make those judgements.

I take your point that in his opinion Evra should have kept his mouth shut though.
 
Apologies if this has been posted already, havent had a chance to read through thread for the last few hours

‘Patrice Evra could sue Liverpool for defamation and Luis Suarez won't win appeal unless he shows some contrition’ - sports legal expert Stuart Miller reflects on race row - Goal.com

By Greg Stobart

Liverpool reacted with fury on Tuesday night after Luis Suarez was handed an eight-match ban and £40,000 fine for racist comments directed towards Manchester United left-back Patrice Evra.

In a written statement, the Anfield club questioned the "extraordinary" judgement made by the three-man Independent Regulatory Commission and also cast doubt over Evra's credibility as a witness.

Suarez appears almost certain to appeal his punishment as the fallout from the race row looks set to rumble on.

Stuart Miller, the senior partner of European business law firm Miller Rosenfalck, has been talking to Goal.com about where the case goes from here...

What can Liverpool and Suarez do regarding an appeal?

"Suarez has 14 days from the time the full written judgement is published to appeal the findings against him. It's Suarez, rather than Liverpool, who has been fined and banned so it's his right as to where to proceed from here.

"If he chooses to appeal, he will try to say that it is not a just ban. It is highly unlikely that the decision made by the Independent Regulatory Commission (IRC) will be completely overturned, given Suarez has admitted to using the word.

"What he will argue, from my understanding, is that there was a cultural misunderstanding. He can argue mitigating circumstances in attempt to get the ban reduced on appeal.

"I have not seen the full submissions, but we saw with Wayne Rooney's appeal to Uefa that appeals can have some success.

"I would suggest that Suarez would have to show an element of contrition and remorse to have any success on appeal. So far, Liverpool have been very defensive and it won't do them any favours."

How far could Liverpool and Suarez theoretically take this? Could it move beyond the FA and towards the Court of Arbitration for Sport?

"I'm sure Liverpool will have some legal advice on the contingencies and how far this can be realistically taken if they plan for further appeal. The first step of appeal is the FA board, then Uefa and then the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS).

"It is very premature to consider an appeal to CAS as the regulatory procedures are very clear. You have to exhaust all your rights to appeal below CAS. The only next step for now is to the appeal board of the FA."

Are there any precedents for a case like this?

"There is no obvious precedent for this. We have had clubs charged because of chanting by supporters but in those cases Uefa have taken action because it's the club's responsibility. In this case, it's just an incident relating to Suarez.

"The FA's Rule E – on which the Suarez case revolves – is the product of the very good work the FA has done with its anti-racism campaign in the last decade."

Could Liverpool be in legal trouble by claiming FA have an agenda against Suarez?
"Liverpool are skating on very thin ice for their statement released on Tuesday night, in which there is suggestion of a witch hunt and an agenda against the club. For Liverpool to question the neutrality of the IRC could get them into trouble for bringing the game into disrepute. It's jaw-dropping to suggest there is an agenda at work.

"They have sailed into very stormy waters and I would expect the FA to launch proceedings against Liverpool."

Could Liverpool be sued by Evra by questioning his credibility?
"It is undoubtedly defamatory of Liverpool towards Evra as the statement says something negative about him and his credibility.

"He could sue Liverpool, but he will wonder if there is any point. There are two purposes to a defamation case: damages and restoration of reputation. In general, credibility issues are not great for footballers.

"Both Evra and Liverpool could afford the lawyers but I don't see it as realistic."
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SteveJ said:
Uruguay's Captain has his say:

"I can't believe this. It is a huge mistake that is being made. It is obvious that England has a problem with racism that they're trying to eradicate there, and that is fine, but this sentence has no solid grounds. Luis is a victim. I don't understand how a player like Evra can do this. He's breaking all the codes of football. We all know the kind of person Luis is, the values he has. We are very hurt. When a teammate of ours is suffering, we are all suffering. Now, all there is is supporting him and being with him", he said.

Source:
Diego Lugano :: Sitio Oficial | FansClick.com
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Yeah lets kick racism under the carpet.
 
I'd like to know what the black Liverpool players think of all this. Do they support their colleague (Suarez)? I'm guessing they're not too happy about it, however, Liverpool propably have ordered them not to speak out.
 
Xander45 said:
I'm very interested in what will be said by Dalglish during the Liverpool/Wigan game tonight, or whether he'll be smart and say nothing at all.
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From his and the scousers' POV, he'll come out with a 'damning' statement that'll have Whiskey nose and the world quaking in their tighty whities and will unite their team and elevate them to world beating levels. Whereas what will actually happen is Dalglish if he says something, will leave him looking like a tit, their legion of followers as deluded mugs and the rest, laughing their asses off.
 
Xander45 said:
I'm very interested in what will be said by Dalglish during the Liverpool/Wigan game tonight, or whether he'll be smart and say nothing at all.
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The sensible thing to do would be to say nothing.
The second-most sensible thing to do would be to explain that they will be discussing it with the FA in due course.
The third-most sensible thing to do would be to reiterate his "disappointment" at the decision.

Kenneth will hopefully go on full-on rant mode and the camera's will pan beautifully back to Jamie Redknapp in the studio, head in hands.

Can't wait for Hansen and Lawro's comments on MOTD either.
 
decorativeed said:
Reminds me of this:

Us and them. The beautiful game.
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The gifs in that are brilliant.

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I don't understand why the FA didn't get the 2 players together to talk it out. Evra himself stated that Suarez isn't a racist. Surely a meeting between the two players and their respective managers could've saved everyone a whole lot of bother.
 
Anyone read the Mirror today? I've noticed a few scousers going on about a Sun-like boycott for some reason.
 
Some of the scousers on Sky Sports News are bordering on the paranoid schizophrenic.

One even came out with a comment that would grace the RAWK hall of fame.

I wish the FA would hurry the feck up and reveal their evidence already as then I can laugh even louder at these idiots.
 
Raulduke said:
Anyone read the Mirror today? I've noticed a few scousers going on about a Sun-like boycott for some reason.
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It's all a big mix up, they heard "Black Mirror" mentioned and decided a boycott was the only route.
 
Raulduke said:
Anyone read the Mirror today? I've noticed a few scousers going on about a Sun-like boycott for some reason.
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I did read the mirror website this morning, and the comments section for every piece about Suarez was filled with scousers spouting nonsense. The more nonsensical the comment, the higher the positive rating the comment got.

It seems like RAWK actually is a good measuring stick of your average internet surfing scousers.
 
I am fecking appalled at the Liverpool response they have made it a tribal Liverpool vs United issue when it is not.

United have been class in their response. feck even Chelsea have handled themselves better with far more serious charges but fecking Dalglish.
 
Xander45 said:
I did read the mirror website this morning, and the comments section for every piece about Suarez was filled with scousers spouting nonsense. The more nonsensical the comment, the higher the positive rating the comment got.

It seems like RAWK actually is a good measuring stick of your average internet surfing scousers.
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It'll be interesting to see Brian Reade's next column then. :drool:
 
KingCantona87 said:
Some of the scousers on Sky Sports News are bordering on the paranoid schizophrenic..
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To be fair, the kind of people who mill about outside a football stadium in the middle of the day when their team aren't playing there are rarely the most enlightening or sensible canvas for any club. They're the stalwart of TV voxpops though.
 
Raulduke said:
Anyone read the Mirror today? I've noticed a few scousers going on about a Sun-like boycott for some reason.
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There was a column up last night from their resident scouse supporting journalist which tore Suarez a new asshole. How he let himself, the club, and Kenny down.

I can't seem to find it now.
 
Mockney said:
To be fair, the kind of people who mill about outside a football stadium in the middle of the day when their team aren't playing there are rarely the most enlightening or sensible canvas for any club. They're the stalwart of TV voxpops though.
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I have no idea what that word means, sounds like some kind of disease. Are you saying the people who hang around outside stadiums during non matchdays and transfer windows for no apparent reason are actually seriously ill?

Would make the scenes at Stoke this summer make a lot more sense.
 
It's been 20 hours or so since this initially broke, and I am no less staggered by the Liverpool response. It's like the club and fans become a caricature of all the things we've joked about, and perhaps didn't really believe until now.
 
Commadus said:
I am fecking appalled at the Liverpool response they have made it a tribal Liverpool vs United issue when it is not.

United have been class in their response. feck even Chelsea have handled themselves better with far more serious charges but fecking Dalglish.
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I read your responses throughout the morning RK, and you were truly staggered.

It's as if you were still trying to collect yourself between posts, still in a state of disbelief.

In fairness, I can see exactly why, the statement still is unbelievable, and to think it had been proof-read and given clearance is insane.
 
Some United fans on twitter re tweeting this "LFC players to wear Suarez shirts in their warm-up today apparently". If true just when you think it couldn't get anymore ridiculous.
 
Found it.

Luis Suarez's guilt over racism charges has devastating implications far beyond even the impact on Liverpool's season.

The first thing manager Kenny Dalglish must do on Wednesday morning is revise his plans for the January transfer window - so that they include the search for a proven goalscorer.

And if that isn't a big enough headache, the Anfield legend must then sit down and consider if he was right to invest his trust - and massive, hard-earned reputation - so implicitly in the Uruguayan.

For a club of such standing, of such dignified history, to have their star player condemned for such a serious offence by the FA after they had defended him so vehemently strikes at the heart of their very credibility.

Dalglish has, from the very beginning, insisted he wanted justice to be done in any inquiry, no matter what the outcome, no matter who was found guilty - and no matter that his own reputation was at stake.

Speaking on October 28, he declared: "Whoever is the guilty party - the person who said it or the accuser - [should] get their due punishment."

Liverpool followed up that statement by urging the FA to punish Patrice Evra, should his claims of being the victim of "more than 10" racist comments by Suarez prove false.

But now, with Suarez judged a racist, there must be some serious soul-searching at a club that prides itself on its unique community spirit, and its all-inclusive charter.

After such a hard-line stance, they must back up their words with some tough action.

It is not just Dalglish who has been let down.

The club's owners, who have a passionate record of fighting racism in their native United States, submitted testimony to the FA disciplinary hearing in support of their player.

Both John Henry and Tom Werner, the principal owners, have put a huge amount of money and effort into anti-racist initiatives at their baseball team the Boston Red Sox, and recently described their efforts by saying:

"We have to make a statement not just in baseball but in our community that diversity is an issue that hasn't been fully addressed in the past and certainly has to be fully addressed.

"I think it's important what your actions are. That will really define the franchise going forward."

But now the situation at Liverpool will demand similar efforts - given that one of their most bankable assets has been tainted by an FA conviction over such a serious charge - to define the Anfield franchise in a very different way to that imagined.

Questions must also be asked as to why the club was so swift to accept their player's explanation of events on that fateful October afternoon when Evra first made his allegations.

There was no internal enquiry into the incident, and Dalglish will feel betrayed, as his own reputation is hauled over the coals, along with that of his club, because he had every right to expect the player to give him the full facts. He also had every right to expect more of Suarez.

Liverpool must swiftly draw a line under the whole sorry affair.

They can do that by reiterating their consistent stance against racism in football - and showing they mean it through positive action.

During the FA's inquiry, there was talk of conspiracy, of the English's governing body's desire to score points off Sepp Blatter, and even grumbles about the integrity of the independent committee who examined the case.

But Liverpool had the chance to veto any disciplinary committee member they felt was not suitable - and declined.

On Wednesday morning, there should not be talk of injustice, but of how racism is an evil in sport and in society that must be exorcised once and for all.

Only after that can the manager turn his mind to finding a suitable replacement for Suarez during his time on the sidelines for much of January and February.

He will be missing when the transfer window opens, and when so much is at stake during such a crucial period of the season, and the necessary solution will be to find someone who can solve the Reds' obvious goal-scoring problem.

Even with the audacious talent of the South American in the side, they have struggled to translate territorial dominance into goals. Without their top scorer, the season could implode.

It will not be easy to sign a proven scorer next month because clubs trade in the currency of goals and are loathe to lose the men who can provide them.

But it is a must.

The owners need to act, as they did at this time last year when the devastating blow of the sale of Fernando Torres was almost wiped from the collective memory of Liverpool's worried fans by the dramatic, bold, big-money capture of Andy Carroll.

Decisive action is required from the owners and from Dalglish, on Wednesday morning, to save Liverpool's reputation - and perhaps to save their season.
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It has since been replaced with one by the same journo entitled:

"I don't think Suarez is inherently racist... but what he said is unacceptable."


:lol:
 
Xander45 said:
I have no idea what that word means, sounds like some kind of disease. Are you saying the people who hang around outside stadiums during non matchdays and transfer windows for no apparent reason are actually seriously ill?

Would make the scenes at Stoke this summer make a lot more sense.
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Vox pops is a term for short, soundbite interviews conducted in the street. So basically, the kind of idiots you see on SSN chatting nonsense outside an empty stadium at 2 in the afternoon....Everyone in Stoke is seriously ill though, I thought that was established facht?
 
Rooney1987 said:
Some United fans on twitter re tweeting this "LFC players to wear Suarez shirts in their warm-up today apparently". If true just when you think it couldn't get anymore ridiculous.
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I don't think the black Liverpool-players like that unless they think he's innocent.
 
Mockney said:
Vox pops is a term for short, soundbite interviews conducted in the street. So basically, the kind of idiots you see on SSN chatting nonsense outside an empty stadium at 2 in the afternoon....Everyone in Stoke is seriously ill though, I thought that was established facht?
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It's short for the Latin term Voxpopuli which means "Voice of the People".
 
It has been confirmed that the entire population of Stoke is visually inbred.
 
Mockney said:
Vox pops is a term for short, soundbite interviews conducted in the street. So basically, the kind of idiots you see on SSN chatting nonsense outside an empty stadium at 2 in the afternoon....Everyone in Stoke is seriously ill though, I thought that was established facht?
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One more phrase in the vocab, learn something new everyday and all that.

I like to think that these people wake up, put on their best tacky club merchandise and then walk in circles around the stadium all day hoping to see a camera crew and then walk past them very slowly whilst muttering something about the club in the hope they get asked for a soundbite.

Hectic said:
It has been confirmed that the entire population of Stoke is visually inbred.
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