Negro in Spanish means black, why would he say it 'at least 10 times' if he wasn't trying to be a prick. Evra would know a bit of Spanish anyway as it was the only way he could communicate with Tevez whilst he was here. I can see Suarez wriggling out of this though. Then again it wouldn't surprise me if The Mirror just assumed all that. Just have to wait and see.
Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse
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I would be interested whether he's ever used that turn of phrase around his black Liverpool team mates. If not, why not?
Well surely the English word for "negro" comes from the Spanish one anyway? I am sure Suarez knew exactly what he was saying as even mentioning another person's skin colour or creed while insulting them is unnecessary, why else would he feel a need to use the word in his name calling if he didn't know the connotations behind it?
What an unbelievably shit defence. I suppose everytime he wants the ball from a black player he shouts that out does he?
Thing about these two racism claims is (a) it's John Terry, and (b) it's a Liverpool player (aimed at a United player)
Conclusion: no action taken
Conclusion: no action taken
You lot sicken me. How the feck can Suarez be racist when he's seen every single Eddie Murphy movie?
But has he seen his stand-up?
That must be fine.
'Oi black man, pass me the ball.'
'What? No I wasn't trying to offend you...'
No. He doesn't like it when black people have opinions.
On the pitch, you call someone bad names, but never say anything about his skin colour - if you do, its racist
Agreed. Once again the F.A. illustrate their incompetance.
Why would Suarez even refer to Evra by the colour of his skin unless he was trying to make an issue out of it?
Pathetic.
So is he trying to say that feck off you n****r cnut or black cnut is differently offensive than feck off you Negro cnut?
How about feck off you French cnut? Would that be any better?
To bring race/religion etc in to it is inherently racist.
feck off you cnut does the job for me, it is universal and causes similar offence who ever you use it on.
I say to Suarez feck off you rat faced racist, with no mention of his cultural/religious/national background intended or implied.
Edit: With due apologies to rats, sorry my ratty chums, but he does look like a rat, not there is anything wrong with looking like a rat, as long as you are a rat that is...
How about feck off you French cnut? Would that be any better?
To bring race/religion etc in to it is inherently racist.
feck off you cnut does the job for me, it is universal and causes similar offence who ever you use it on.
I say to Suarez feck off you rat faced racist, with no mention of his cultural/religious/national background intended or implied.
Edit: With due apologies to rats, sorry my ratty chums, but he does look like a rat, not there is anything wrong with looking like a rat, as long as you are a rat that is...
I meant to imply that he happily going around calling all black players 'negro' when he wants the ball. Either way, he's retarded.
Nothing's going to come of this. What bothers me is that I'm sure Evra would have mentioned the abuse to the referee during the game (he certainly spoke to the ref often enough...); but that doesn't mean that the ref would have noted-down Pat's remarks at that time, let alone dared to take immediate action against Suarez. 'Whitewash' isn't just a crap pun.
Even if it were, he's been in Europe for five years and I don't know about racism in the Netherlands but I'm fairly sure it's as unacceptable there as it is here so to say he didn't know that it would be deemed offensive here is ridiculous, not to mention that even if it were allowed in the Netherlands, Suarez has been here since January. You'd think someone would have had a word with him about saying that kind of stuff. There's no excuse if his defence is it means something else in his culture.
He's a fecking twat isn't he.
Dalglish's stance is dangerously erring towards a suggestion of LFC being a racist institution.
And yet, many Liverpool fans claim the media's take on Rafa Benitez was racist.
I wonder how many fans are actually aware og Giggs' mixed race heritage.
I'm sure he was on the end of some racist abuse when he was younger
He said so in some interview that he was at the end of racial abuse when he was young.
The language/cultural issue is a complication - Spain, for example, has a preference for other phrases when insulting its black players. I'm not sure how charged a word it is in Argentina though, there is a discussion of it at Salen con Fritas | a blog about Argentinian culture which is consistent with what I've read elsewhere - it can be used as an insult or an endearment depending on context.
That said, I doubt very much Suarez was using the term instead of mate or honey - if he routinely calls his actual mates that (yeah, right) I'm sure he's been warned off by European based players before and I'm sure he knew that Evra didn't take kindly to it.
I can see how Liverpool and Suarez might think, if they play their cards right, they can negotiate this down to a fine, an apology and a warning.
That said, I doubt very much Suarez was using the term instead of mate or honey - if he routinely calls his actual mates that (yeah, right) I'm sure he's been warned off by European based players before and I'm sure he knew that Evra didn't take kindly to it.
I can see how Liverpool and Suarez might think, if they play their cards right, they can negotiate this down to a fine, an apology and a warning.
He's basically saying that in these cases someone has to be punished, which I agree is quite a dangerous stance, particularly if no evidence supports either party.
This kind of attitude would basically be saying that anyone considering bringing up a racist complaint would have to have concrete evidence before mentioning anything. This would result in a general fear for victims of racial abuse in making a claim, as they might end up being fined/banned/portrayed as the assailant. An incredibly regressive stance.
I suppose it is similar to cases of sexual assault. The guilty perpetrator should be severley punished, but there also has to be a punishment for anyone making up a claim, as this can be almost as damaging as the alleged offence. There has to be a middle ground however, where as has been said previously: the absense of evidence isn't always the evidence of absence.
The way I see it, where he's from doesn't matter a single bit. He's playing in England now and unless Liverpool hasn't done their job properly he should be very well aware of the "kick out racism"-campaign. He's also been playing in Holland for several years and without knowing much about the country I'd expect the stance on racist remarks (ie: it's not ok to call a black stranger a "negro/n-word") is the same as other Western countries. If Suarez isn't aware of this it's quite honestly his own fault and it's not a defence in my eyes. Not even a little bit.
The culture of the country you're in decides what's OK and what isn't - not the culture of the country you're from. That's how I see it at least.
Interesting to see in the article that Suarez apparently admits to calling Evra a "negro", if Mirror's sources are correct. I can only see one logical outcome of this case then (based on what I wrote above), but sadly The FA doesn't seem to do too well with logic, so it can still go either way.
What a fecking waste of time the anti-racism campaign is though, if both Terry and Suarez walks away from this with nothing but a little dent in their reputation.
I don't see that as 'playing their cards right'.If it's an admission of guilt you can't negotiate it down.
You know what, I bet that Terry & Suarez experience very little booing, no matter what the outcome is. And this goes to show how little, for all the fuss, football people care about the sport's racism problem. Many care more about booing (for example) Rooney for getting sent off in an England match.
I always used to secretly have a degree of respect for Dalglish as a human being, however much he was the enemy on the pitch.
I'm rapidly losing that.
His latest "punish the accuser" comments are a new low - you could possibly pass the first ones off as ill-thought-through and heat of the moment, coming within a day or so of the incident. But with two weeks to consider the full picture, he's still determined to make this club v club, and ignore some pretty basic and important principles to get a cheap shot in.
Very poor, very little class.
I'm rapidly losing that.
His latest "punish the accuser" comments are a new low - you could possibly pass the first ones off as ill-thought-through and heat of the moment, coming within a day or so of the incident. But with two weeks to consider the full picture, he's still determined to make this club v club, and ignore some pretty basic and important principles to get a cheap shot in.
Very poor, very little class.
I suspect Evra will get booed more than Terry or Suarez
That's not physically possible. Only Ashley Cole can compete with Terry on that front.
Look, that point isn't even up for debate. It's a well established point, you don't need to use the (proper) n word to be guilty of racially motivated abuse, bringing up somebody's colour as part of an insult is quite enough (or, more to the point, too much).
If they are trying that on, they are way, way out of touch, and living in the 70s or something. To quote (losely) Simon Amstell, in the hit-and-miss Grandma's House, "Are we really going to have this argument? It was won years ago... it turns out the racists are the bad guys"
If that Mirror article is right Suarez has admitted it and the PFA knows. Which makes Dalglish's comments even more bizarre.
Someone get Kenny to shut up please, every time he talks I lose respect for him. What message does punishing a player for not be able to prove racism send out? It's ridiculous people are even entertaining the notion that Evra should be punished just because he can't prove it.
I think there is a flaw with your theory.
Even if he is using it as a term of endearment, he is doing so to take the piss, if you see what I mean. If he is calls him 'honey' repeatedly, he's doing it to wind him up not because he likes him. So he's either insulting his skin colour or suggesting he plays like a woman?
Not sure why I'm trying to give him an out btw...
The article also states that they have a long way to go as far as discrimination goes...
I support this view! Good post.
If the FA are serious they need to stamp down on Suarez and Terry. This is a golden opportunity, one foreign mega star and the captain of England. If they hit the players hard with a long ban and hefty fines they can show the general public that they mean business with this anti racism campaign. I'm a pessimist regarding the FA but let's hope they prove me and others wrong.
I cannot believe there are people trying to offer a defence of suarez on the basis of him using the word negro. Is it really so hard to understand that using a persons skin colour in an insult in any form is racism and deserves severe punishment. using the n-word and calling someone a black so and so in any language is reprehensible. there really is no discussion here
I don't think anyone's trying to defend him - apart from Dalglish.
I was just interested in the excuse someone (he?) had come up with in the Mirror, because it sounded like an admission of guilt (and a plea for the FA to go lightly) to me.
Why is this still an issue? Are we still going off "he said, she said" "evidence"?
It's still an issue because there has been no resolution and Liverpool's manager continues to intimate Evra should be punished. Is that ok?
Why the feck have the FA told SAF to basically STFU and not say a word about this whilst that senile old cnut down the East Lancs is allowed to run his mouth every 5 fecking minutes?