F1 2021 Season

Drivers and Constructors after Race 11 Revised
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DriverTeamWinsPoints
1Lewis HamiltonMercedes4195
2Max VerstappenRed Bull5187
3Lando NorrisMcLaren0113
4Valtteri BottasMercedes0108
5Sergio PerezRed Bull1104
6Carlos Sainz Jr.Ferrari083
7Charles LeclercFerrari080
8Daniel RicciardoMcLaren050
9Pierre GaslyAlphaTauri049
10Esteban OconAlpine139
11Fernando AlonsoAlpine038
12Sebastian VettelAston Martin030
13Yuki TsunodaAlphaTauri018
14Lance StrollAston Martin018
15Nicholas LatifiWilliams06
16George RussellWilliams04
17Kimi RaikkonenAlfa Romeo02
18Antonio GiovinazziAlfa Romeo01
19Mick SchumacherHaas00
20Nikita MazepinHaas00



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TeamWinsPoints
1Mercedes4303
2Red Bull6291
3Ferrari0163
4McLaren0163
5Alpine177
6AlphaTauri067
7Aston Martin048
8Williams010
9Alfa Romeo03
10Haas00
 
Cheimoon said:
I also thank the booing is lame, but just to add that, for Verstappen fans, this wasn't a hard, fun race. It was a disappointing race in which their guy was crashed out of serious contention right at the start because of a mistake by a driver from their main competitor's team.
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I'll remember that when Pool come to OT.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Yeah i'm not having that really.

Alonso's tyres weren't old, and it clearly wasn't easy to over take as not many over takes actually happened in the race.

Hamilton couldn't get close enough with the dirty air in the last 2 corners, and was never close enough to attack properly into turn 1. When he did then Alonso defended perfectly, pushing him wide knowing Hamilton had more risk.

He had to keep pressuring him and wait for the mistake which eventually came.

He didn't overtake Sainz because he figured something out differently, Sainz's tyres were shot as he'd done 1 less pitstop.
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Also not forgetting Hammy's got a touch of long covid which can effect his mind set? thinking.
 
Frosty said:
I do wonder whether I notice the lucky breaks Hamilton gets more than other drivers because he is so good.

For example, at Imola, the red flag situation certainly did benefit Hamilton. Almost as soon as the race was red flagged, I knew he was going to get a podium at least.

With other drivers that simply are not as good (a very high bar I know), they cannot make as much of those fortunate occurrences as Hamilton inevitably does. Does that make any sense?
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I think people notice them because the camera is on him for massively longer than anyone else. If the camera sat on Mick Schumacher for 90% of the race you'd have more of an opinion about him than you would Hamilton.
 
Pscholes18 said:
I'll remember that when Pool come to OT.
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I told you before why some people may have been touchy about the booing. We were led to believe last week that Max’s fans were some kind of shining light on morales. I honestly don’t give a shit about the booing, but if you saw some of the posts about Silverstone, you’d probably understand why I pointed it out today.
 
Shame for Sebastian after a solid drive today.
That daft DQ and the bizarre situation with Hamilton alone on the grid shows you that for all the money spent on tech and strategy, the strangest human mistakes can still decide races.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
The number of posters on other site that dont know the basic rules and penalties in F1 is shocking.
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What site was that, and i think they should bring in a 10 place grid penalty, it doesn’t make sense to me that you can pick up a 5 place grid penalty for taking out 1 car or multiple cars like bottas did today.

Also you can see why Horner is banging on about the financial impact of crashes this year he’s preparing for next years $145 million spending cap, as team who’s car has been wrote off or badly damaged will spend millions repairing it while while the one who caused it might have minimal damage.

Even Toto was talking about the cap and it’s implications on crashes.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/...-makes-big-accidents-quite-a-concern/6362929/

Also hopefully some good can come from Hamilton’s long Covid that it shows the impact it has on an athlete in top shape, what would it do to the every day man and might get more sceptics to get vaxed
 
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christy87 said:
What site was that, and i think they should bring in a 10 place grid penalty, it doesn’t make sense to me that you can pick up a 5 place grid penalty for taking out 1 car or multiple cars like bottas did today.

Also you can see why Horner is banging on about the financial impact of crashes this year he’s preparing for next years $145 million spending cap, as team who’s car has been wrote off or badly damaged will spend millions repairing it while while the one who caused it might have minimal damage.

Even Toto was talking about the cap and it’s implications on crashes.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/...-makes-big-accidents-quite-a-concern/6362929/
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The cost cap is already in place right? I think if you suffer damage and it isn't your fault the repairs should be excluded from the cost cap and if you need a new engine it shouldn't be counted as an engine swap. If not you get punished twice if someone does a Bottas and torpedoes your car and that doesn't seem fair to me.
 
Go to watch a rally stage and stand on the side and boo and you will be looked at like a nob. I think the same applies to f1.

Want to go and boo and act like a child goto the football. Each to their own, I just think it’s childish as feck.
 
You really do just have to laugh at the FIA.

Vettel has 700mL too little fuel in his car and gets a disqualification.

Bottas plays skittles with half the pack and gets a 5 place grid penalty.

Comical.
 
Pscholes18 said:
But, it is a sport. Nothing wrong with booing.
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I can see why people boo situations (including when they're announcing line-ups), but booing someone during an interview seems pretty lame to me - even if you don't get a lot of other opportunities in racing to boo someone. (It's not like they'll hear it during the race!) But I'm anyway not into all the partisan stuff, I know that's rare, and I'm not expecting to change anyone's mind on that sort of thing.
 
hobbers said:
You really do just have to laugh at the FIA.

Vettel has 700mL too little fuel in his car and gets a disqualification.

Bottas plays skittles with half the pack and gets a 5 place grid penalty.

Comical.
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It's an old rule that comes from teams that used to run more explosive fuel, get extra power and then use it all up so it couldn't be traced.

Obviously that would be a very unfair advantage, so if you were caught you'd be expelled.

Unfortunately it doesn't translate quite so well to the modern day rulings, but cars often don't run out of fuel that low.

Seb was obviously chasing hard to try and pass Ocon, and then towards the end he couldn't go into fuel saving mode as Ham/Alonso were catching at a rate of knots.

It's a very unfortunate situation, but those are the rules.
 
Zlatan 7 said:
Go to watch a rally stage and stand on the side and boo and you will be looked at like a nob. I think the same applies to f1.

Want to go and boo and act like a child goto the football. Each to their own, I just think it’s childish as feck.
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Key difference is respect and risk. F1 drivers (and rally drivers) have historically put their lives on the line to entertain. In decades gone by a driver would be killed almost every race.

Footballers less so. :lol:

Totally different culture.
 
hobbers said:
You really do just have to laugh at the FIA.

Vettel has 700mL too little fuel in his car and gets a disqualification.

Bottas plays skittles with half the pack and gets a 5 place grid penalty.

Comical.
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Reason being they need to test the fuel to ensure cheating is not going on.

It's the equivalent of missing a drugs test.

Ask Rio about that.
 
hobbers said:
You really do just have to laugh at the FIA.

Vettel has 700mL too little fuel in his car and gets a disqualification.

Bottas plays skittles with half the pack and gets a 5 place grid penalty.

Comical.
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Too little fuel in the car, potental cheating.
Bottas misjudging the wet slippery track is not potential cheating.
2 totally different situations.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Key difference is respect and risk. F1 drivers (and rally drivers) have historically put their lives on the line to entertain. In decades gone by a driver would be killed almost every race.

Footballers less so. :lol:

Totally different culture.
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Yes, I agree with that

edit: did mean to quote @Pscholes18 post in my previous post but just realised I didn’t
 
Wasn't able to see the race today. Shame to hear a Merc took out Max out for the second week in a row.

If you can't beat him on the track, I suppose knocking him off the track every week is a bold but admittedly effective response.
 
Tiber said:
Wasn't able to see the race today. Shame to hear a Merc took out Max out for the second week in a row.

If you can't beat him on the track, I suppose knocking him off the track every week is a bold but admittedly effective response.
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That didn’t happen
 
hobbers said:
You really do just have to laugh at the FIA.

Vettel has 700mL too little fuel in his car and gets a disqualification.

Bottas plays skittles with half the pack and gets a 5 place grid penalty.

Comical.
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There's no consistency at all, same thing when Giovinazzi got a 10sec stop&go for speeding in the pitlane while Raikkonen was only given a 10sec penalty for crashing into Mazepin in the pits and ending his race.

It is the same rules for everyone so it's not unfair in that sense, but there's definitely a lot of room for improvement in my eyes.
 
Tiber said:
Wasn't able to see the race today. Shame to hear a Merc took out Max out for the second week in a row.

If you can't beat him on the track, I suppose knocking him off the track every week is a bold but admittedly effective response.
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Is this supposed to be ironic ?
 
pauldyson1uk said:
Too little fuel in the car, potental cheating.
Bottas misjudging the wet slippery track is not potential cheating.
2 totally different situations.
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Yes, of course, but I guarantee you they can test the fuel just fine with 300mL instead of a litre. It's a very archaic rule.
 
hobbers said:
Yes, of course, but I guarantee you they can test the fuel just fine with 300mL instead of a litre. It's a very archaic rule.
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What I wonder is why with such an ultra hi tech vehicle there is not a system for warning that the current consumption will lead to rule violation.
 
After reading this thread the last few weeks I honestly don’t know whether the people laughing at my post saying that didn’t happen agree with me or think that it did happen! :nervous: :lol:
 
Jippy said:
Shame for Sebastian after a solid drive today.
That daft DQ and the bizarre situation with Hamilton alone on the grid shows you that for all the money spent on tech and strategy the strangest human mistakes can still decide races.
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Gutting for seb. Didnt deserve that.
Tiber said:
Wasn't able to see the race today. Shame to hear a Merc took out Max out for the second week in a row.

If you can't beat him on the track, I suppose knocking him off the track every week is a bold but admittedly effective response.
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A McLaren took out max.
 
hobbers said:
Yes, of course, but I guarantee you they can test the fuel just fine with 300mL instead of a litre. It's a very archaic rule.
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100kg starts the race, they know how much fuel that is meant to be using, it finishes with less fuel then it breaks the rules.
OK it maybe be archaic but its what they have to work with.
When was the last time there was a DQ because of it, I cant remember.
 
Aren’t most of you lot supposed to be British? Why do you dislike Lewis Hamilton so much lol?
 
dinostar77 said:
Gutting for seb. Didnt deserve that.

A McLaren took out max.
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A merc took max out the mclaren was just the proxy :lol:, bottas is brutal at his worst, but brilliant at his best today he fecked it up
ArjenIsM3 said:
The cost cap is already in place right? I think if you suffer damage and it isn't your fault the repairs should be excluded from the cost cap and if you need a new engine it shouldn't be counted as an engine swap. If not you get punished twice if someone does a Bottas and torpedoes your car and that doesn't seem fair to me.
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I actually didn’t realise it was in place, no wonder Horner is losing his marbles over it.
 
dinostar77 said:
Gutting for seb. Didnt deserve that.
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Based on how he appeared in Drive To Survive, I wonder how much Vettel will care. He did the entire race and finished 2nd on skill. Will he care that it's not in the books? I doubt he needs any prestige or money that comes with it, and it's not like the point will win him or the team anything this year.
 
Cheimoon said:
Based on how he appeared in Drive To Survive, I wonder how much Vettel will care. He did the entire race and finished 2nd on skill. Will he care that it's not in the books? I doubt he needs any prestige or money that comes with it, and it's not like the point will win him or the team anything this year.
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He will definitely care massively about the points.

Not for himself particularly but those points are an enormous loss for Aston Martin. This penalty could be the thing that decides them finishing 7th rather than 5th.
 
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pauldyson1uk said:
100kg starts the race, they know how much fuel that is meant to be using, it finishes with less fuel then it breaks the rules.
OK it maybe be archaic but its what they have to work with.
When was the last time there was a DQ because of it, I cant remember.
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Something similar happened to Jarno Trulli. Not sure though.
 
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