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F1 2021 Season
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This is like Boris and his government investigating themselves. FIA is as corrupt as you'd expect a sport body to be and I am not surprised.
They've made F1 into what Florentino Perez wanted the Super League to be - perfect for the TikTok fan.
Overturning the decision in retrospect would have been bad for the sport. However, the fact is they made a decision one lap before the end of the championship to go against the established rule book (their own rule book btw) and literally hand Verstappen the title, leaves a sour taste. If they let the race finish with a safety car, no one (except Mr Whinger in Chief aka Horner) would have objected to this, as Ham was clearly better on the day.
You cannot go against the grain in such a massive decision and expect people to just roll over and accept it. Mercedes should fight it to the CAS, even if it's somewhat of a causa perduta.
They've made F1 into what Florentino Perez wanted the Super League to be - perfect for the TikTok fan.
Overturning the decision in retrospect would have been bad for the sport. However, the fact is they made a decision one lap before the end of the championship to go against the established rule book (their own rule book btw) and literally hand Verstappen the title, leaves a sour taste. If they let the race finish with a safety car, no one (except Mr Whinger in Chief aka Horner) would have objected to this, as Ham was clearly better on the day.
You cannot go against the grain in such a massive decision and expect people to just roll over and accept it. Mercedes should fight it to the CAS, even if it's somewhat of a causa perduta.
So when there is a horrific decision, you just accept it rather than fighting in a court of law to change it?
Formula 1 has lost a lot today.
I would hope anyone with any sense of fairness would find randomly deciding to change the rules in the last few laps of a title deciding last race is pretty gross.
Absolutely no integrity.
Absolutely no integrity.
Do you genuinely feel like there was no wrong doing from the FIA?
The Stewards consider that the protest is admissible.
Having considered the various statements made by the parties the Stewards determine the following:
That Article 15.3 allows the Race Director to control the use of the safety car, which in our determination includes its deployment and withdrawal.
That although Article 48.12 may not have been applied fully, in relation to the safety car returning to the pits at the end of the following lap, Article 48.13 overrides that and once the message “Safety Car in this lap” has been displayed, it is mandatory to withdraw the safety car at the end of that lap.
That notwithstanding Mercedes’ request that the Stewards remediate the matter by amending the classification to reflect the positions at the end of the penultimate lap, this is a step that the Stewards believe is effectively shortening the race retrospectively, and hence not appropriate.
Accordingly, the Protest is dismissed. The Protest Deposit is not refunded.
Competitors are reminded that they have the right to appeal certain decisions of the Stewards, in accordance with Article 15 of the FIA International Sporting Code and Chapter 4 of the FIA Judicial and Disciplinary Rules, within the applicable time limits
Having considered the various statements made by the parties the Stewards determine the following:
That Article 15.3 allows the Race Director to control the use of the safety car, which in our determination includes its deployment and withdrawal.
That although Article 48.12 may not have been applied fully, in relation to the safety car returning to the pits at the end of the following lap, Article 48.13 overrides that and once the message “Safety Car in this lap” has been displayed, it is mandatory to withdraw the safety car at the end of that lap.
That notwithstanding Mercedes’ request that the Stewards remediate the matter by amending the classification to reflect the positions at the end of the penultimate lap, this is a step that the Stewards believe is effectively shortening the race retrospectively, and hence not appropriate.
Accordingly, the Protest is dismissed. The Protest Deposit is not refunded.
Competitors are reminded that they have the right to appeal certain decisions of the Stewards, in accordance with Article 15 of the FIA International Sporting Code and Chapter 4 of the FIA Judicial and Disciplinary Rules, within the applicable time limits
If he's a "race director" then that seems reasonable to me.
What an absolute sham, I doubt I'll be invested in the next F1 season after this complete fix. Hopefully Mercedes go through with going to CAS with that lawyer they hired and embarrass the FIA in front of the whole sporting world. Disgraceful stuff from the FIA and what a stain on F1 as a whole.
Wwef1... merc should quit and go all in on formula e
They will make them up...
Opening second champagne of the day. Is that it cuz I am slowly running out of stock?
Football should allow referees to do that too!
Exactly the opposite, it has gained a lot of new fans. Not in Britain of course.
Does he win, really.
You can't pick and choose which cars can unlap themselves (should be all (if safe) not just the ones between Max and Lewis) and then the safety car should've stayed out longer.
The allegation is they ignored some parts of the rules to give Max a final shot at winning it (or not) on the track.
I was very disappointed to just now learn that Toto is not his real name.
you’ll always have the being the laughing stock to fall back on.
Seems like they do, every fecking game!
I think there's been mistakes throughout the season.
It all came down to this, so obviously it will be heavily talked about, but you could argue many of the rules are a bit iffy.
Some have benefited Hamilton this season
I should have put the word more at the end of that sentence.
The FIA fecked up (I'll be interested to see what their take on it is) but it does nobody any good to drag it out.
Just seen Max win is confirmed. Well done Max and Red Bull, that was a hell of a season
One day, directors of football will live up to their title. Unfortunately.
Everybody not following Lewis disagree's with this.
It's Damon 94 all over again
Salty english fans and everybody else lapping it up
Yeah "masi can decide who wins what race and how, can make up rules on the fly and do whatever the feck he likes, he's currently banging your wife and there's nothing you can do about it"
Red Bull argument - 'Any does not mean all'
And even just ignoring that, the way the race was today, this is just not the fair result.
uitstekend
Mental isn't it!
Why have rules of the racing director can just do what he wants.
My Mrs asked me to explain the controversy in football terms. Best I can come up with...
"A team is leading a final 2-0 and a injury takes place. The referee restarts the game with 1 minute to go, changes the score to 2-2 and says it restarts with the team that was losing having a penalty..."
What happened today wasn't sport.
I can’t remember one where they broke their own rules to allow one driver, on a fresh set of the fastest tyres to have a lap directly behind another driver on an old set of the slowest tyres, but there we go
disgrace, joke, disturbing...my mind is full of mixed emotions but Lewis deserved this win today, and the title.
To go down to the last race of the season, for both to race cleanly-ish and fairly only for the FIA to feck it up and give it to the wrong person is beyond me.
Times like this make me hate sport
To go down to the last race of the season, for both to race cleanly-ish and fairly only for the FIA to feck it up and give it to the wrong person is beyond me.
Times like this make me hate sport
Man wins race which earns him a championship which he completely deserves. English people get mad.
It's the sequel to Euro 2020.
That won’t hold up in court. It’s a professional sport, there are careers and a feck tonne of money at stake.
Rules and regulations are there for a reason and Mercedes based their tactics on those rules. You can’t just change it because you want to and expect people to accept that.
There's many in this thread who don't know that dirty word.
Apparently they consider themselves "racing fans" who want entertainment at all costs. Fair fecks, but at least admit it's because your favourite won and you have no issue with rules being changed to suit the sky sports generation
Isn't that already the case under the guise of there being actual consistent rules? F1 just did the same thing as well.
Everybody not following Lewis disagree's with this.
It's Damon 94 all over again
Salty english fans and everybody else lapping it up
Are you suggesting that it is only English fans who support Hamilton. And of course not all of them.
His appeal is global.
Fair play to Max.
Quality driver and fantastic to watch.
Happy for him in a bitter/begrudging sort of way.
Not the way we wanted it to end and pretty disappointed with the outcome of the appeal.
Next year Lewis!
Quality driver and fantastic to watch.
Happy for him in a bitter/begrudging sort of way.
Not the way we wanted it to end and pretty disappointed with the outcome of the appeal.
Next year Lewis!
Don't worry, Hamilton supporters. There's no doubt the big man will come back in 2022 stronger than ever. This will only motivate him to push himself further.
Max is the official champ (deserved or not) but the king will rise again.
Max is the official champ (deserved or not) but the king will rise again.